Danization (Danish MOD)

[Grenaderen]

I am glad that you use some of my ideas.

Milits... bad spelling, i told so

Pioneer is a kind of fast moving enginers that moves forward together with the first line in an offensive. They prepare roads and bridgees so the rest of the army can move quickly ahead.
Anyway it is proberly not a god idea, but it was the only thing i could come up with at the time

And yes, i am thinking of Compagnie Madsen and the riflesyndikate. They did also produce weapons to the danish forces. Eksample: The machinguns mounted on Motorbikes witch took part in the short defens of Denmark on the 9 of April 1940, was fabricated by Madsen

 

[Gaias]

Hmmm.... I was thinking about a few names.

Rifleman Defender Could be condensed down to Armed Guardsman.

Infrantry Attacker Could be reworded as Foot Infiltrator, Infrantry Assailant, Grunt Infrantry, or simply just Infrantry Infiltrator.

Infrantry Defender Could be reworded as Sentinel Soldier, Armed Watchman, Foot Sentry, or just simply Infrantry Sentinel.

Royal Guardsman This is fine as it is, but an alternative to Royal that I have always liked was Regal.

Modern Guard Could be reworded as Tactical Defender, National Guard, Urban Guardsman, or Infrantry Reservist.

Anyways just a few suggestions for you to ponder.

 

[JuuL]

Grenaderen: As I sais, I don't think I need more defensive units, but thanks for the idea anyway.
Gaias: Thanks for the ideas.
- "Armed Guarsman", I really didn't like the Country Militia name that much, so maybe I should use this one instead. Or maybe just Guardsman.
- "Infantry Assailint" is a good name, I'll use that.
- Infantry Defender: I like Grenaderen's Trench Infantry idea, os i think i will keep that name.
- "Regal" sounds good, but I like Royal more.
- Modern Guard: I think I will call him Modern Guardsman.

edit: we know have 12 pages of comments

 

[Grenaderen]

Hey JuuL, just a little idea.

In the list containing this week's new Civ3 Dowoads, you will find a bear.
It is mrtn who has convertet a panda warrior made by Kinboat, so it now looks like a brown bear.

What about adding the bear to your mod? Replace some of the babarian warriors with bears. Since the bear once lived free in Denmark, i thougth it could be fun (and a nice detail) if you could be attacked by bears in the early stages of the game.

 

[JuuL]

It's not a bad idea, Grenaderen, but I don't think I'm going to use it. The reason is that while a bear (or a group of bears) may be a threat to unguarded workers or settlers, it will never be able to defeat a larger group of archers or axemen (each unit in the game represents at least a hundred soldiers). Losing such a fight to a bear is simply too unrealistic. Besides, the bear is standing (and walking?) on its hind legs, which makes it look very humanoid (and the colour conversion isn't that good anyway). But thanks for telling about your idea, anyway, I might have been able to use it.

 

[Grenaderen]

Hmmm... You are proberly right JuuL, it would not make sense to have an army defeatet by a single bear, even it would have look good with wild bears roamming around in the forrest.

 

[Grenaderen]

Hello Juul, i hope you don't get tirred because i post some ideas all the time.

I just want to put your attention on the "Unit Graphics" forum. Zulu9812 has postet a "viking Spearman." Maybe you could use it?

 

[Paragon]

I don't know if this has been suggested, but how about a wonder called "Saxo Gramaticus", which is the danish legends and history written down in a very important book from a few centuries back. It is one of the backbones of the danish culture.

Effect: Less assimilation chance and loads of culture?

 

[Magma]

I don't know if this has been suggested, but how about a wonder called "Saxo Gramaticus", which is the danish legends and history written down in a very important book from a few centuries back. It is one of the backbones of the danish culture.

Effect: Less assimilation chance and loads of culture?

Or loads of culture and gain any advances already owned by 2 civs

 

[Grenaderen]

I don't know if this has been suggested, but how about a wonder called "Saxo Gramaticus", which is the danish legends and history written down in a very important book from a few centuries back. It is one of the backbones of the danish culture.

Effect: Less assimilation chance and loads of culture?

I think it is allready in the mod. If i am not wrong, it is some sort of wonder that only gives culture.

A "few" centuries

 

[JuuL]

I forgot to say that I was going on a short vacation to Vesterhavet - that's why I haven't been here. But I'm back now - and I'm glad that people have been posting here. Welcome back to Magma and Paragon. I'd better begin answering all those questions...

Hello Juul, i hope you don't get tirred because i post some ideas all the time.

Of course not. I like comments and ideas - the more, the better
Thanks for telling me about zulu9812's Viking Spearman I'm not sure I can use him... he can't be used to replace the Spearman I use now (the Spearman requires Bronze Working and the armor of this spearman is obviously made of iron). He can't replace the Pikeman for obvious reasons. He could be used in between them and require Iron Working (the unit upgrade path would then be Spearman --> Viking Spearman --> Pikeman). But there is a problem with their ADM points. Spearman has 1.2.1 and Pikeman has 1.3.1. What would you put between that? 2.2.1? Any ideas, people?

About Saxo Grammaticus: The wonder "Saxo's Denmark Chronicle" (a bad translation of Saxos Danmarkskrønike) was already included in the first version of Danization. As Grenaderen already said, it only gave a cultural bonus. But in Gesta Danorum, a lot of things are going to change (and the mod has actually been named after Saxo's Gesta Danorum, the great book about the deeds of the Danes). In C3C, there was a single Small Wonder, Heroic Epic, which increased the chance of getting leaders for those who had already got one and used the Army to defeat some enemies - so the effect of this wonder is to increase the power of those who are already succesful in warfare. In GD-DD (Gesta Danorum - the Deeds of the Danes) the Heroic Epic has been replaced by Hávamál, the great poem of Odin that tells Viking how to be real Vikings. This wonder requires nothing but the tech of Viking Culture and the resources Barley and Honey (to make beer and mead (mjød) - the great inspirations of ancient scalds). This should make it easy for anyone with a decent production system and infrastructure to get some Great Leaders - if they go to war in the early years of the game. For with the rise of Christianity, the great deeds of the old and their way of life is abandoned and the Small Wonder of Hávamál is made obsolete. But new heroes shall rise and their deeds will be written down. Because of that, a new Small Wonder - the Heroic Chronicle - is made available with the Roman Alphabet, for the chronicles of the early Middle Ages were written by priests and monks and other scholars, who knew the art of writing with Roman letters. The chronicles tell about important events and the heroic deeds of saints and knights - but they also tell the stories of ancient kings and heroes, and the old stories are revived. But to write such stories, there must have been something to write about. Because of that, this wonder requires a victorious Army, and those who fought bravely in the Viking Age are rewarded. But the greatest and most famous of these scholars and writers of chronicles was Saxo Grammaticus. His Great Wonder, Gesta Danorum, requires a Heroic Chronicle, but his wonder is worth the work. For it gives an enormous cultural bonus (+6 per turn), and his stories about the great kings of old inspire your warriors to protect your kingdom - and the attack and defense abilities of those who are organized in Armies are increased with 25%.
I hope that answers all questions about getting Great Leaders in GD-DD.

 

[Magma]

Thank You

I think the viking spearman should be 2.2.1 and amphibious, just because the spearman was often not just used as defence but as an attacker.

 

[JuuL]

I don't think making the spearman an amphibious attack unit is a good idea. Though spearmen may have been used for attacking, I like to keep my unit upgrade paths "clean". Having a defender upgrade to an attacker and then a defender isn't something for me. But maybe it could just be 2.2.1 without amphibious. That would make it an excellent defense unit that could also be used as a weak attacker if necessary.
But I also have another idea: In GD-DD all units have HP bonuses (so that there will be no )
The bonuses are:
Pre-Iron Age units: -1 HP
Iron to Gunpowder Age units: no bonus
Industrial and Modern Age units: +1 HP
Modern Tank (one unit only): +2 HP
This means that the Spearman has -1HP and the Pikeman has no bonus. But a Viking Spearman is an Iron Age unit, so that would have no bonus either. That would make this a good upgrade path:
Spearman (1.2.1 -1HP) -> Viking Spearman (1.2.1 +0HP) -> Pikeman (1.3.1 +0HP)
The ADM of Spearman and Viking Spearman would be the same, but because of the HP bonuses, the viking Spearman will be much better.
Any comments?
We may also need a better name than "Viking Spearman"... any ideas?

 

[Magma]

Actually very good idea with the bonus health, but this ( ) can still happen.

What about "Country gaurd" or something for a replacement for "viking spearman".

What do you think?

 

[Grenaderen]

Thank you

You could call him "Hirdmand," as the men in the king's royal guard were callt.
I have tried to translate it with a dictionary and it says "Housecarl."

So what about calling the unit either "Housecarl," or just simply the danish name "Hirdmand." ?

 

[JuuL]

"Housecarl" would be a cool name, but actually the huscarls were professional soldiers and often used for attacking ( Wikipedia: Housecarl ). Spearman like these would more probably be unprofessional soldiers. Maybe an English translation of ledingsmand could be used. What would that be? Fyrdman? (in England, the system that was known as leding in Danmark was called Fyrd)

 

[Grenaderen]

Why not, i think i makes sence. If you just explain it in the civilopendia to help odder people who do not know the word "Fyrd/leding," or the meaning of the words.

By the way, i do know that "Housecarl" not would be the best name, but it was the only translation of "Hirdmand" i could find.

 

[Magma]

I think lednings mand is an "call to arms" soldier, isnt it?

Hirdmand = Royal gaurd/soldier or something.

 

[Butcher_Bill]

Our you could just call them Viking Carls. Meaning that the spearmen was just farmers and fishingmen how was called into servic by theire Jarl our King, in time of war.

 

[JuuL]

Ok. I will ad zulu9812's Viking Spearman with the name "Fyrdman" - and i will make a description in the civilopedia explaining it.
And the latest news: The small wonders Sun Compass and Naval Academy and the large wonder Vitus Bering's Expiditions have been added.

edit: didn't see your post, Butcher_Bill. I think we posted almost simultaneously. Welcome to the thread Actually, the system of leding was to call peasants to military service in time of war (mostly defensive, I think. The professional Huousecarls would be used for invasions). That's why I deided to call them Fyrdmen.