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Where is all the money in this game? :\
Deity Challenge #12 - The Celts on Pangaea
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For me, it's because I was constantly under the threat of Isabella, Alex, Augustus, AND Harald. Being near 4 neighbours forced me to constantly pumping out units and bribe people.
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No, I meant for me.
AI is so broke, I double-checked the settings to make sure it's deity. 
Persia I understand, but Isabella? I'm really disappointed with her. Looks like I beat her to all NW. Also grabbed like 8 ruins. Also I realized I have no idea how to role play the Celts. Or just play, for that matter. UB sounds nice, faith bonus bla-bla. But other than that, they're so generic. I can't get a feel for them yet. It's my first full game with them, so hopefully I'll have a better clue at the end. 
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No, I meant for me.
Alex and Augustus were filthy rich in my game.
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Well, maybe there is hope for me. I'm at t90, so maybe things will change.
How did you get so many archers as quickly? Apart from completely ignoring library and rushing archery instead of writing i don't see how i could have produced more of them before t50
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I ignored writing - If you engage in a really early war, it's crucial to get army first. I went for CB tech first. When I saw that persia is close from me I decided to steal persian worker and get his cap at CB timing.
After scout monument cap built archers and 1-2 pitish warriors. Used free settler for uluru and built one (about t30 screenshot).
didnt have time to play much, but i think another update is in place, turn 83, conquered darius, NC will finish in 4 turns. Bribing isabella to war with alex constantly, religion will spread like wild fire into isabella and alexander, they have no religion either of them, so i went for 2 missionaries before enchancing (possible with massive faith imo, and now soon will hoefully get +34% faster religious spread)
my beliefs:
+1 gpt from 4 followers
faith purchase pre industrial units
+1 faith from dessert (very obvious choice imo)
alex denounced me, and alex also denouned spain, so i denounced alex hoping to get better friends with spain, and hoping others will maybe join in denouncing alex. MY SP are traidition all policies except aristocracy, (bit slow on the culture it seems.) now i will consider if i go honor or rationalism, i think rationalism though.
pictish warriors + CB's are just really awesome, especially when you can faith purchase them earlyy. IMO
my beliefs:
+1 gpt from 4 followers
faith purchase pre industrial units
+1 faith from dessert (very obvious choice imo)
alex denounced me, and alex also denouned spain, so i denounced alex hoping to get better friends with spain, and hoping others will maybe join in denouncing alex. MY SP are traidition all policies except aristocracy, (bit slow on the culture it seems.) now i will consider if i go honor or rationalism, i think rationalism though.
pictish warriors + CB's are just really awesome, especially when you can faith purchase them earlyy. IMO
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Turn 293. First time ever I aimed for a cultural victory lol. What a joke of a victory form. Very good news that they totally seem to change this in the coming expansion .
This map is beyond easy and should not belong to a diety challenge I think. New players get the wrong assumtion of what a diety game should be like.
. This map is beyond easy and should not belong to a diety challenge I think. New players get the wrong assumtion of what a diety game should be like.
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I really must be doing this wrong.
Fairly new to civ 5, i started on king when i got the game, moved on to emp last week with mixed success, figure i'd try this easy deity challenge to start playing deity and i just get smacked. First time through i was dead turn 61 after trying to open up 4 cities and darius wasn't having it.
I rerolled and didn't try anything super cute tech wise, hit a ton of ruins and had 2 free techs and both advacned weaps on war/scout, cash, first ENHANCED relig by like t50, took 4 cities and held off darius beating him down to a nice settlement. no other DOW, i should be good right ? wrong. I can't capitalize on my pile of bowman due to terrain, darius outflanks me and comes back with horses to evicerate my archers and gg again at 115. I can't seem to get any edge, gonna work on things and take this on again, here iw where i was at pre attack when my north archers all got crushed before i could do much.
Fairly new to civ 5, i started on king when i got the game, moved on to emp last week with mixed success, figure i'd try this easy deity challenge to start playing deity and i just get smacked. First time through i was dead turn 61 after trying to open up 4 cities and darius wasn't having it.
I rerolled and didn't try anything super cute tech wise, hit a ton of ruins and had 2 free techs and both advacned weaps on war/scout, cash, first ENHANCED relig by like t50, took 4 cities and held off darius beating him down to a nice settlement. no other DOW, i should be good right ? wrong. I can't capitalize on my pile of bowman due to terrain, darius outflanks me and comes back with horses to evicerate my archers and gg again at 115. I can't seem to get any edge, gonna work on things and take this on again, here iw where i was at pre attack when my north archers all got crushed before i could do much.
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Weird game so far, weird map, weird civ to play and my laptop wants to match and is acting weird.
Somehow instead of scout first I chose monument first, which forced me to to build two scouts next. Not too horrible, but just... weird. First scout upgraded to scarcher, so I kept him close to home, second died to barbs pretty fast and my scouting sucked. And still sucks. I haven't met many CS, don't know where they are hiding. Kinda weird.
Edit: and now I see I made SS smaller than usual. Weird.
Somehow instead of scout first I chose monument first, which forced me to to build two scouts next. Not too horrible, but just... weird. First scout upgraded to scarcher, so I kept him close to home, second died to barbs pretty fast and my scouting sucked. And still sucks. I haven't met many CS, don't know where they are hiding. Kinda weird.
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Edit: and now I see I made SS smaller than usual. Weird.
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Hi and welcome to CFC!
Don't be surprised. The jump between king and deity is enormous. If you have mixed success on emperor, deity might be a little bit too ambitious.
You have a nice size army, the problem is attacking at t115 with CB's is not gonna cut it on deity. You need crossbowmen. But without NC you didn't get there soon enough. Turn 126 is late. With 4 cities you should aim for turn 90. Btw, why aren't you spending faith?
i had reloaded an autosave and replayed it tactically a few times out, i stopped paying attention to much else turn 95- what you saw so it's probably a bad shot, just frustrated.
i tried a less aggressive (3 city/2 city ) plays that got me into the midgame with much better science relatively, but the other ai's were rolling up north and i don't think it was playable.
I was going tradition. My issue is mainly i don't know how to take cities without artillery, i'm awful with melee units. All my lower level success is just on being efficient which makes the games borefests. i need war !
i tried a less aggressive (3 city/2 city ) plays that got me into the midgame with much better science relatively, but the other ai's were rolling up north and i don't think it was playable.
I was going tradition. My issue is mainly i don't know how to take cities without artillery, i'm awful with melee units. All my lower level success is just on being efficient which makes the games borefests. i need war !
So this is my turn 101 situation. I don't know if I'm doing so well but i don't think so. I don't go liberty much but this time it was to tempting with all that open space and the luxuries. The turn timings becomes a bit unfamiliar for me. Got NC late 50's but I don't like my bpt atm.
I'm currently in the process of taking out Persia. Healing my troops then moving in on the capital. Alexander has denounced me so i'm waiting for the peace treaty he has with Spain to end then i will bribe one of the two to attack the other. Isabella is playing well with me and we are currently friends.
Another thing that I never bother with is religion, so this time I might have overdone it. Got first shrine and first religion in the game. Chose faith from desert for shrine and tithe pagodas 36% faster and food from shrine/temple. No idea if that is ridiculous or acceptable. Then i went ahead and hard built shrines as my second building after monument in my cities. Building/planing to build temples as a priority. Comment pls.
As war goes I'm gonna Finnish of Persia then Alex when i get treb and lancers.
I'm attaching the save file in case anyone likes to poke around and give me some hard earned criticism. Feel free to yell at me all you want and be assured I will listen and take notes.
I'm currently in the process of taking out Persia. Healing my troops then moving in on the capital. Alexander has denounced me so i'm waiting for the peace treaty he has with Spain to end then i will bribe one of the two to attack the other. Isabella is playing well with me and we are currently friends.
Another thing that I never bother with is religion, so this time I might have overdone it. Got first shrine and first religion in the game. Chose faith from desert for shrine and tithe pagodas 36% faster and food from shrine/temple. No idea if that is ridiculous or acceptable. Then i went ahead and hard built shrines as my second building after monument in my cities. Building/planing to build temples as a priority. Comment pls.
As war goes I'm gonna Finnish of Persia then Alex when i get treb and lancers.
I'm attaching the save file in case anyone likes to poke around and give me some hard earned criticism. Feel free to yell at me all you want and be assured I will listen and take notes.
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Well, with army that big you probably still can take Persepolis, but CB's combat strength is too low and will cause them to be one shot by city defense. Is worth a try though, standing army is not very useful. And you're replaying, so there is no reason not to try. The trick here, I believe, is to lure his units (fast healing pike, yuck) out to open terrain outside city range radius, kill them first and then proceed to the city itself hoping not too many CB will die. Xbows will be much better though. And yeah, artillery is always nice. If you beeline it and get there before AI reaches Flight, you'll do a lot of damage.
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I think I've underdone it. Don't have shrines/temples. Don't have very high fpt, don't know how good fpt should be for Celts or what to do with them. Now I realize that MotG would be much stronger here, but didn't realize this at the time.
Very weird feeling overall. Can't comment much on the rest either without opening the save, and even with it probably. Spain's tech lead is something I'd be a little concerned with at this point. She'll start to run away and so will Augustus, but there is not much you can do against him. I'd focus on her. And pump some serious beakers. That's the most important thing in mid game, IMO.
Finally managed to win domination at turn 259 after dropping 4 nukes on korea and babylon 
very fun , i havent ever used nukes before, and their power is really awesome i must say.
something very key was taking out roman cities to the south, where i found massive oils, which allowed me to have 20 bombers,
i also discoreved that bombardment i much better on bombers than siege, as you will be cleaning units most of the time, and cities are really easy to take, at least combined with artillery/rocket artillery
generally a very forgiving map, as there are no real runaways, spain+greece are easily bribed, and religion is awesome thanks to the start. Still i think it was very fun, and i think its nice to have easy deity maps when you are not Old Peter
one thing which helped me was that athens was taken by korea, so i didnt have to do it.
Awesome, loved it, now going to bed
very fun , i havent ever used nukes before, and their power is really awesome i must say. something very key was taking out roman cities to the south, where i found massive oils, which allowed me to have 20 bombers,
i also discoreved that bombardment i much better on bombers than siege, as you will be cleaning units most of the time, and cities are really easy to take, at least combined with artillery/rocket artillery
generally a very forgiving map, as there are no real runaways, spain+greece are easily bribed, and religion is awesome thanks to the start. Still i think it was very fun, and i think its nice to have easy deity maps when you are not Old Peter
one thing which helped me was that athens was taken by korea, so i didnt have to do it.
Awesome, loved it, now going to bed
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Turn 121.
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in my game it was very easy to to for isabella with crossbowmen and take a few cities before artillery was needed, terrain was very flat in her cities close to me, but its critical to go to war with her while she is at war with greece imo.
i think its too late to take out the last persian city, unless it has nice wonders, imo you need to take out spain asap, but of course i couldnt see much from your ss
edit: hmm just noticed akward greek city in the way, that might change things.
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