Deity challengers
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True, but IME a capital with only 1 food resource is rare and flatlands tend to be food. Looking at the map it doesn't strike me as a 1 food resource type of start. You'll usually have a few luxury resources in those cases (silk/spice) IME -- at least in the temperate zone.
Sure, but the leevee doesn't disappear -- it will be made in a different city instead. Same argument as you used for the food resource except the food resource is of great help right away unlike the leevee option.
Yes, but there's still a better chance in place. We could have gold on the plains hill 2s for instance.
Self-explanatory -- although one might rate the effects differently. You will be one turn behind in the early phase, it can be huge.
Yes, this is not a big thing.
Sure, but we have many good tiles in place as well and I expect more than 1 resource.
Not sure what this is referring to.
Varies.
@Rusten
I think this kind of debate can last forever without a detailed and clear calculation of final output. Many statements are based of probability and others are regarding future action as moving the palace and levee. There are enough support for each point already and I don't see which point is clearly better.
By the way, I would urge you to put some comments on the AW thread.
I think this kind of debate can last forever without a detailed and clear calculation of final output. Many statements are based of probability and others are regarding future action as moving the palace and levee. There are enough support for each point already and I don't see which point is clearly better.
By the way, I would urge you to put some comments on the AW thread.
I agree -- there are better ways to spend our energy.
Moved the scout onto the plains hill and.....
..a food resource as expected.
I settle in place and we add stone to the mix.
I think AH before agriculture is best. Going agriculture first will give us some bonuses, but it should still lose to AH because:
- a farm takes 1 turn more than a pasture
- our worker will reach the cow 1 turn sooner than the wheat
- the cow is the better tile
Moved the scout onto the plains hill and.....
..a food resource as expected.
I settle in place and we add stone to the mix.
I think AH before agriculture is best. Going agriculture first will give us some bonuses, but it should still lose to AH because:
- a farm takes 1 turn more than a pasture
- our worker will reach the cow 1 turn sooner than the wheat
- the cow is the better tile
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
so AH -> agri -> BW if horses, AH -> archery if not? other option is AH -> BW if horses...
@Duckweed: I am sure you are an excellent team player... I hope you didn't mind my comment
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edit: is an attempt at GW a possiblity? I cansee it usefull for protection and infiltration, but I am not even sure we can connect the stone in time for it to be usefull to this project
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obsolete
Deity
Too bad you didn't start with Ramesses, this would have been the easiest deity space-race win ever 
Carthage -> 3 -- something happened there.
Could it be he was due to discover Tin? I think Tin is just a random event but I don't know what else could have affected that.
Carthage -> 3 -- something happened there.
Could it be he was due to discover Tin? I think Tin is just a random event but I don't know what else could have affected that.
Dirk1302
Deity
Carthage?
I agree on AH first, i'd research AG next for sure, wheat is far too profitable not to connect early.
I agree on AH first, i'd research AG next for sure, wheat is far too profitable not to connect early.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
He is refering to the resource count last page... perhaps a bug
Agreed on AH -> agri...
Played a quick mini-round to AH as everyone seems to agree on starting with that (and I don't see why anyone would disagree).
We've popped 4 huts in total and all 4 gave us gold.
Biggest event this far:
Warrants some discussion.
Note: ATM we have 8EP on Montezuma whereas he has only 3 on us. That means he's met at least 1 civ already and it isn't to our west.
Overview. The Aztec capital is 1s+1se of the gold IIRC.
We've popped 4 huts in total and all 4 gave us gold.
Biggest event this far:
Warrants some discussion.
Note: ATM we have 8EP on Montezuma whereas he has only 3 on us. That means he's met at least 1 civ already and it isn't to our west.
Overview. The Aztec capital is 1s+1se of the gold IIRC.
If we can somehow get Montezuma to attack someone else before us he will make a great ally with shared religion.
Next scout move: scout the other civ to find out if they're natural enemies or if their borders are very close to each other. The more information we have about this the better.
I think the AI tends to put more EP on their "enemies". We're clearly outspending him so it think there's good chances of him having an enemy. Montezuma was the one making contact with us so he has 1 extra turn of EP too.
Next scout move: scout the other civ to find out if they're natural enemies or if their borders are very close to each other. The more information we have about this the better.
I think the AI tends to put more EP on their "enemies". We're clearly outspending him so it think there's good chances of him having an enemy. Montezuma was the one making contact with us so he has 1 extra turn of EP too.
obsolete
Deity
Agreed on AH -> agri...
Not so fast there.... this method costs 20% extra.
Not so fast there.... this method costs 20% extra.
The extra 20% is not worth it.
Dirk1302
Deity
^True, AG is prereq. Makes it a bit more difficult. But probably having the cow earlier outshines the lost research turns.
muxec
Prince
Did you plan to rush on Deity if you have horses in BFC? Is it possible?
Offtopic:
ZOMG 7 years on CFC forums!
Offtopic:
ZOMG 7 years on CFC forums!
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
Congrats for such a longevity... I am not an expert, but I see rushing in deity really hard, exception of UUs (which is not our case). Moreover, Monty is not exactly a "soft" target (high unit building proba)... best to defend imo here, or even better, not getting attacked
Cheers
PaulusIII
Unholy Warlord
Nah, taking Monty down on Deity this early is impossible. But at least he's likely to divert his attention elsewhere, if we're outspending him on EP then there's another civilization. And likely far more friendly than Monty will ever be.
I take it back, it doesn't have to be his capital. He founded a religion so it could very well be his second city despite having the 2nd ring already. I'd still assume it's the capital due to the gold, river and hills -- but can't know for sure.
shyuhe
Deity
20% bonus isn't worth it as the cows also provide commerce being on a river.
If our west is land for our use only, then this shouldn't be too bad, assuming we deal with Monty. I'm assuming we're going archery next? Or do people want to try BW?
If our west is land for our use only, then this shouldn't be too bad, assuming we deal with Monty. I'm assuming we're going archery next? Or do people want to try BW?
Dirk1302
Deity
It's important to know what's in the south west. Northwest has interesting resources but lacks food. If the south west isn't good we may need to expand cautiously towards Monty otherwise we just starve.
Tech'll be ag next i assume. There'll be lots of barbs from the west so bw is risky. Once we'll have bw ~35-40 turns have gone by. It's 2400 bc by then, too late so archery should be next imo.
Tech'll be ag next i assume. There'll be lots of barbs from the west so bw is risky. Once we'll have bw ~35-40 turns have gone by. It's 2400 bc by then, too late so archery should be next imo.
RRRaskolnikov
Goldfish
I am too for more scouting south west, agriculture -> archery. Nothing much to add for now .
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Shyuhe
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