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[obsolete]

I didn't know the penalty for worst ennemy get lowered with time

It is time for DanF to pop by and elaborate again...

 

[Duckweed]

If we're going to trade for CS with Lincoln, which I would, then we can enter a GA pretty soon. As long as the trade for CS isn't lopsided, we shouldn't pick up worst enemy modifiers from Monty at this point. Also, try to buy more peace from Monty if possible. He's pleased but can still declare on us.

I would bulb philo and trigger a GA while trading for CS. We'll probably get CS partway through the golden age, at which point we can add bureau. We can research paper by hand, and double bulb education or part-bulb education + liberalism. I think we need to figure out what we're going to try for with liberalism here.

There's no reason that we use the GS to bulb Philosophy when we can trade it. Also you may run a test to see how much negative modification we can get after gifting Music + Drama to Lincoln, maximum -1 and that still keep Monty at pleased.

 

[obsolete]

I wonder if testing future turn-moves may be looked at as cheating in some way. This is already a peeked (non-random map, with tones of exp room). I don't know, what does everyone else think?

 

[Duckweed]

No need, my experience tells me that's true. Trading something like Edu only has -1 modification ~1000AD if you meet him that early.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

We won't test anything... rather live with our moves, good or bad
Will play tomorow morning.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Here is the new save, I will post a report later in the evening

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

t135: GS born in Moscow... the ciy itself starts the HE. We switch techs to philo to enable a trade with Lincoln.

t136: zzz

t137: Monty cancels the deal fish... oh well, I ask him 30 gold and he agrees ... ten more turns of peace yeah
We capture Mauryan and keep it.

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I whip the NE for 3 pop in St Pet.

t138: Lincoln finally offers a decent trade for Philo:

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He goes to pleased status after this trade.
No penalty with Monty

t139:Settle silver city:

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We trade Philo against CS with Monty

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and backfill MC with Brennus:

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We start a GA, switching civics:

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I arrange the cities so the GPP in Novgorod and Yaroslavl don't get lost as per Shyuhe's plan...

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t140: We trade rice from Monty against our deer for diplo & health...

t141: We meet a 9 cities Charlemagne, hindu founder... he completes the AP this turn too...

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Our next GS is timed with paper to enable a double bulb:

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t142:

t143: Paper is in... Yaroslavl pops its GS... We bulb education (2 GS).

t144:

t145: GS is born in Novgorod, I stop here... We'll have another one in 2/3 turns (if we drop pacifism?) in St.Pet.
We need to trade for compass to be able to bulb Liberalism.
There are still 2 turns of GA, we need to think of our next civics and what we want to take from liberalism.

Techs:

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Diplo:

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Overview:

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Roster:
Raskolnikov -> just played!
Rusten -> up!
Duckweed -> on deck!

save is in the previous post.

Cheers,
Raskolnikov

 

[Rusten]

Seems things are going as planned after a quick glance at the report -- we got the important trades.

I will take a look at the save and post a plan/comment tomorrow.

(Got it.)

 

[JujuLautre]

Lurker's comment: Fighting Monty that long so early, up to the point that you have to build a city for him to get peace and recover that much? You guys are insane and I will not play deity any time soon

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Insane? let's hope it won't prevent us from winning!

Some comments on the save (would have posted them saturday, but soccer first ):
I haven't swicthed the markets off the queues as discussed, and we focused on GPPs on most of our buddhists cities... so most of these cities still lack both forges and universities. As we have stone, I suggest we build the universities first to enable Oxford asap (well at least in the future Oxford city, if other cities can do forges -> unis in time, let's do it).

I didn't build any triremes blush, I guess we can use some.

what will be our next civics? I think we can use slavery to catch up in infra, too bad we haven't monotheism for OR. (or is it worth teching it? - if it can be done in one turn before the GA ends-)

tech: well nothing new under the sun... compass -> lib -> nationalism (Taj) or something more ambitious? (I guess the isolated AI won't be more advanced than the ones we already know)

Cheers,
Ras

 

[shyuhe]

@juju - the AI are teching pretty slowly on this game, which is why we've managed to somewhat catch-up in techs.

We can probably use a trireme in the north so that we can improve the crabs. The southern ones, while nice, can wait a bit longer since they're redundant.

OR is a cheap tech that we can probably pick up in a turn. I'm not opposed to slavery/OR, but will we have enough GP slots in our GP farm to still generate new GP?

I agree with Taj for liberalism. We can't pick up overseas trade routes here because everyone hates Lincoln and HRE hates us. So astronomy isn't as useful as it normally would be. Once we get constitution, our research rate will look a lot better.

 

[obsolete]

Looks like you won't be making 1000 AD cavalry in time. But you should still have one hell of a lot of fun during the 1200 A.D mop-up operation with cav even still.

Now.. quit stalling and hurry up!

 

[Rusten]

I think we should trade for world maps to better know what our options are (for instance attacking Lincoln). Montezuma will be a pain with cuirassiers, so sweeping a weak target first can be useful. Montezuma gets a lot of mounted units usually so cossacks is a better unit if we want to take him on.

Montezuma and Brennus are cautious towards each other now so we have the option of starting a war if we get enough techs. We could use this to bring Montezuma to friendly rather than killing him. Which path we take is up to the majority (and how the game progresses).

(Trade for? -- maybe not necessary) compass -> lightbulb liberalism with the GS.
Academy with the next GS I assume (FP/cottage city).

I usually stay in caste at this point and get workshops for production. Unfortunately we're lacking worker turns so I dunno.

 

[Rusten]

Breaking news: Brennus is in WHEOOH.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Deity Challengers health service message (we do want to avoid mutiple heart attack among the roster):

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good thing Brennus is pleased with us

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Hi guys ,

I think we should trade for world maps to better know what our options are (for instance attacking Lincoln). Montezuma will be a pain with cuirassiers, so sweeping a weak target first can be useful. Montezuma gets a lot of mounted units usually so cossacks is a better unit if we want to take him on.

I agree, Monty won't resist cossacks... hopefully

Montezuma and Brennus are cautious towards each other now so we have the option of starting a war if we get enough techs. We could use this to bring Montezuma to friendly rather than killing him. Which path we take is up to the majority (and how the game progresses).

I would prefer to kill him, he did attacked first but we can still adjust later...

(Trade for? -- maybe not necessary) compass -> lightbulb liberalism with the GS.
Academy with the next GS I assume (FP/cottage city).

All good... Monotheism in one turn before that (to use OR)?

I usually stay in caste at this point and get workshops for production. Unfortunately we're lacking worker turns so I dunno.

I usually don't use them before guild... but if we are short of workers, it's prolly better to start laying them down now.

@Dirk, Duckweed: more comments before Rusten plays?

Cheers,
Raskolnikov

 

[shyuhe]

We can farm the green and workshop the brown. I think a couple of cities have room under the cap but will max out soon, so we may want to start planting more workshops in preparation for our military push.

Cossacks, while nerfed, are still great. With enough of them, we should be able to handle Monty - especially if we can bribe Brennus to war. Who would be attack as a "weak" target anyways? Brennus is far and AC's a vassal, and I doubt we'd do an inter-continental invasion as "warm-up" to Monty. I'd just tech towards MT/gunpowder then rifles and go to town on Monty. Possibly earlier if he gets into a war with Brennus.

I usually stay in caste mid-game as well, as I love post-guilds/caste workshops. As Rusten pointed out, we'll need more workers though. But that may work well with our farm heavy empire - whip/build a couple of workers then do infra while we get workshops online?

 

[Dirk1302]

Research is bad atm, will be better with oxford up of course. As no one is anywhere near constitution i suggests taking nationalism from lib and set research to constitution. I would normally trade for this tech, think we should do it the other way around this time as constitution is very important for our empire. We can backtrade for military techs subsequently. We'll probably have to self research mil trad (and rifling) but with rep powered specs and oxford that can't be too difficult.

It's time to get some triremes up. Of course we're going to build Taj, wonder if we can do it in Novgorod for some extra culture. Not extremely important.

 

[Rusten]

I think we should get the Taj in Moscow. Novgorod has other things to build. Moscow has enough production to add in the Taj.

Will go for OR and focus on infrastructure -- having Buddhism in Olmec is great. Will revolt to slavery -- we can go caste in the next GA (Taj).

Agree with Constitution.

Ready to play now.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

having Buddhism in Olmec is great.

Agree will all your points... good luck!