Dem lead congress is making improvements...

[MobBoss]

Looks like propaganda to me, It has Republican mud and fingerprints on it.

Please...for once, stop being in denial. The source is just fine. The story, true. You basically sticking your head in the sand to ignore it doesnt change the facts surrounding it.

I dont care if the elected leadership spends my tax dollars to stay at some cheap motel or some casino resort. So long as they are being productive.

Cheap motel??? OMG. Please read the story before replying. A 5-star, $1100 dollar a night resort is NOT some 'cheap motel'.

That I highly doubt. If the Republicans were doing it, you would turn a blind eye away from them.

I am on record as doing as much...you however, seem to remain in a state of denial when the dems engage in like behavior.....

You never ceace to make me laugh. Find one mistake and you blow it out of proportion to make the Democratic party the bad guy . Sorry, I'm not buying into any of this Republican propaganda tripe.

Ah, no. Come back to reality. The very same thing was brought up in the discussion of the last defense spending bill which the Dems LOADED with pork at every opportunity, despite saying they would do things differently.

You only need to ask a question once

Only when people answer it plainly. For those in denial, simple questions must be repeated very s-l-o-w-l-y and o-f-t-e-n.

 

[JollyRoger]

I am on record as doing as much

On you on the record here? I'm sure you might have better luck with the search function than me in regards to your on the record statements.

 

[MobBoss]

On you on the record here? I'm sure you might have better luck with the search function than me in regards to your on the record statements.

Here ya go. I will state my position both slowly and clearly so that you understand it.

I think such trips could be done far cheaper and just as effectively without the extreme cost to the taxpayer. I dont like it when republicans do it. And I sure dont like it when democrats do it after running on a reform platform.

Clear enough for you?

 

[JollyRoger]

Here ya go. I will state my position both slowly and clearly so that you understand it.

I think such trips could be done far cheaper and just as effectively without the extreme cost to the taxpayer. I dont like it when republicans do it. And I sure dont like it when democrats do it after running on a reform platform.

Clear enough for you?

Clear enough. Got something similar circa 2005 or pre-November 2006?

 

[MobBoss]

Clear enough. Got something similar circa 2005 or pre-November 2006?

Assuredly. For example, I have stated plenty of times the things I disagree with Bush on. Or the things we have done wrong in the Iraq war. If you are really that interested in finding it, then by all means more power to you. But in lieu of that, making my position clear should be enough for you.

 

[GenMarshall]

Please...for once, stop being in denial.

Sorry, I'm not in denial here.

The source is just fine. The story, true.

I dont trust anything that comes out of the Republican Party. The Source, Republican propaganda tripe. The Story, Biased. Where is the story from the OTHER side?

You basically sticking your head in the sand to ignore it doesnt change the facts surrounding it.

Again, I'm not sticking my head in the sand to ignore it. I want sources from BOTH sides, not just one. To be frank, the sources that you present just has a hint of Republicanism in it.

Cheap motel??? OMG. Please read the story before replying. A 5-star, $1100 dollar a night resort is NOT some 'cheap motel'.

Did you even read my post? I said and I will quote "I don't care if some senator uses my tax money to eather sleep in a cheap motel or a resort hotel". The Bottom line is that I dont care how they use the money for travel and hotel expenses.

Liberal Language translation to Conservative Language: Yes, I approve of their actions on this.

I am on record as doing as much...you however, seem to remain in a state of denial when the dems engage in like behavior.....

I'm sure some archivist poster would pull some things about you turning a blind eye when the Republicans do something naughty .

Ah, no. Come back to reality.

I am already in reality, thank you very much .

The very same thing was brought up in the discussion of the last defense spending bill which the Dems LOADED with pork at every opportunity, despite saying they would do things differently.

What pork? I care less about the pork they load whatever bill they get. I trust the Democratic party are doing things differently at this Congress. Taking us out of Iraq, defending social programs for the needy, and resisting Bush who constantly bullys the Legislative branch.

Only when people answer it plainly. For those in denial, simple questions must be repeated very s-l-o-w-l-y and o-f-t-e-n.

I'm not in denial, nor am I ******** . Don't ever talk down to me like if I am some ******** person.

 

[JollyRoger]

Assuredly. For example, I have stated plenty of times the things I disagree with Bush on. Or the things we have done wrong in the Iraq war. If you are really that interested in finding it, then by all means more power to you. But in lieu of that, making my position clear should be enough for you.

I'm talking about you being "on the record" regarding so-called junkets. Today is the first time I have seen you on the record either way. I did a couple of searches and found nothing helpful to you in this regard, so until you come forward with something proving otherwise, I will assume this has been a secret issue of yours that you finally couldn't keep to yourself any longer. It's ok to speak your mind around here. Don't be so shy on your pet issues.

 

[MobBoss]

Sorry, I'm not in denial here.

Errrrr. Yes...yes, you are.

Real quick. Tell me how many times have you repeated that same sentence here at the OT.

Think about it.

I dont trust anything that comes out of the Republican Party. The Source, Republican propaganda tripe. The Story, Biased. Where is the story from the OTHER side?

Clue #1. This didnt come from out of the republican party. It even says that a couple of republicans went along too.

Clue#2. What evidence do you offer that the source is 'republican tripe'? Proof please. What counter-evidence do you have that the story is biased? Proof please.

Sorry, but I require a bit more than just your opinion that the story is false.

Again, I'm not sticking my head in the sand to ignore it. I want sources from BOTH sides, not just one. To be frank, the sources that you present just has a hint of Republicanism in it.

Then YOU go find me a source giving an opposing view. Can you?

Did you even read my post? I said and I will quote "I don't care if some senator uses my tax money to eather sleep in a cheap motel or a resort hotel". The Bottom line is that I dont care how they use the money for travel and hotel expenses.

Well, you should. To do otherwise is to invite fraud, waste and abuse.

Liberal Language translation to Conservative Language: Yes, I approve of their actions on this.

Why? What is the benefit to you, as a citizen, for a senator to take his wife and guests to a resort hotel on your dime?

I'm sure some archivist poster would pull some things about you turning a blind eye when the Republicans do something naughty .

I think I reserve the right to argue what is 'naughty' and what isnt. In this current case, I think wasting our tax dollars on such boondoggle trips quite 'naughty'.

What pork? I care less about the pork they load whatever bill they get.

You dont care about government spending?

I trust the Democratic party

Hell, while I much prefer the republican party, even I wouldnt say that I trust them wholeheartedly.

I'm not in denial, nor am I ******** . Don't ever talk down to me like if I am some ******** person.

By all means show me where I said you were ********? Thats your word...certainly not mine.

 

[MobBoss]

I'm talking about you being "on the record" regarding so-called junkets. Today is the first time I have seen you on the record either way. I did a couple of searches and found nothing helpful to you in this regard, so until you come forward with something proving otherwise, I will assume this has been a secret issue of yours that you finally couldn't keep to yourself any longer. It's ok to speak your mind around here. Don't be so shy on your pet issues.

Clearly we have misunderstood one another. When I say I am 'on the record' I am referring to my disagreements with the republican party in times past; not such junkets specifically. My use of 'on the record' is to combat the allegation from CivG that I am some mindless republican fanboi. While I prefer their stand on issues, I most certainly dont agree with everything they do.

 

[JollyRoger]

Clearly we have misunderstood one another. When I say I am 'on the record' I am referring to my disagreements with the republican party in times past; not such junkets specifically. My use of 'on the record' is to combat the allegation from CivG that I am some mindless republican fanboi. While I prefer their stand on issues, I most certainly dont agree with everything they do.

I guess there was a misunderstanding. I am no fan of junkets and I certainly hope there is an overall curtailment. It doesn't look promising, so me and you are kind of in the same boat - we support many, but not all of the underlying policies of one party or the other, but the politicians of those parties do things that we wish they wouldn't do.

 

[ComradeDavo]

On how it takes taxpayer paid vacations. http://www.examiner.com/a-675671~Congressional_junkets_picking_up_steam.html

I wonder if such boondoggles are part of the Pelosi "bring back accountability to our leadership" plan? Looks to me they are doing even more of what they took the republicans to task for.

Some of us remember Bush as the 'holiday predisent' back in 2001 before 9/11. He was getting alot of flak then.

 

[GenMarshall]

Errrrr. Yes...yes, you are.

Try again, i'm not. I am not in denial and was never in denial.

Clue #1. This didnt come from out of the republican party. It even says that a couple of republicans went along too.

Sorry, if it came from someone who whole heartly supports the Republican Party and it smears the Democratic party in a negative light, I consider it Republican Propaganda.

Clue#2. What evidence do you offer that the source is 'republican tripe'? Proof please. What counter-evidence do you have that the story is biased? Proof please.[/qoute]
Look above

Sorry, but I require a bit more than just your opinion that the story is false.

Sorry, but youre going to have to accept it.

Well, you should. To do otherwise is to invite fraud, waste and abuse.

Does it look like that I care? No. So long as the Democratic Party controls Congress, I don't care what my party does so long as the Republicans stay in the minority and keep quiet about remaining in Iraq and stripping down social programs for the needy.

Why? What is the benefit to you, as a citizen, for a senator to take his wife and guests to a resort hotel on your dime?

It's their money, I have no control over what happens to the money that goes to Uncle Sam.

I think I reserve the right to argue what is 'naughty' and what isnt. In this current case, I think wasting our tax dollars on such boondoggle trips quite 'naughty'.

So the recent Republican Sex scandal is just chump change? . And the boondoggle trips the Republicans make are a drop in the bucket? .

You dont care about government spending?

So long as it is not being funneled into some unjust war, I could care less about Government Spending.

Hell, while I much prefer the republican party, even I wouldnt say that I trust them wholeheartedly.

I hate the Republican party to the core. First trying to Impeach Clinton, then draging us into an unjust war, bullying the Democrats, and lastly George Bush himself.

By all means show me where I said you were ********? Thats your word...certainly not mine.

By the tone of your post "simple questions must be repeated very s-l-o-w-l-y and o-f-t-e-n" implies to me that youre talking to me like a ****** "who don't get it".

 

[Red Door]

The best part of this thread, besides the mis-leading OP, is how MobBoss convineantly forgets that Republicans went on these trips too. Or do 2 wrongs make a right now-a-days?

 

[skadistic]

The best part of this thread, besides the mis-leading OP, is how MobBoss convineantly forgets that Republicans went on these trips too. Or do 2 wrongs make a right now-a-days?

Even when he points it out in a following post?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5338383&postcount=28

Clue #1. This didnt come from out of the republican party. It even says that a couple of republicans went along too.

 

[MobBoss]

Try again, i'm not. I am not in denial and was never in denial.

Can I put the above quote in my sig for its humor value?

Sorry, if it came from someone who whole heartly supports the Republican Party and it smears the Democratic party in a negative light, I consider it Republican Propaganda.

Again...what part of 'proof please' do you not understand? Verbal denial on your part just isnt good enough...how about a link. No link? You lose.

Look above

Sorry, but that just isnt enough.

Sorry, but youre going to have to accept it.

Nope. I win the arguement 1 link to none.

Does it look like that I care? No.

If you dont care, then why are you posting?

So long as the Democratic Party controls Congress, I don't care what my party does so long as the Republicans stay in the minority and keep quiet about remaining in Iraq and stripping down social programs for the needy.

You dont care how corrupt, spendy, abusive, lawbreaking your party might be as long as it keeps Republicans out of power?

And you accuse me of being blind? Whoooooo.

It's their money, I have no control over what happens to the money that goes to Uncle Sam.

Totally incorrect...its YOUR money..and mine, and everyone elses. Not theirs.

So the recent Republican Sex scandal is just chump change? . And the boondoggle trips the Republicans make are a drop in the bucket? .

Are you referring to the Barney Frank sex scandal? Which one?

So long as it is not being funneled into some unjust war, I could care less about Government Spending.

So, if we were not in Iraq, you wouldnt care how much money GWB was spending?

I hate the Republican party to the core. First trying to Impeach Clinton, then draging us into an unjust war, bullying the Democrats, and lastly George Bush himself.

Clue to you. They didnt 'try' to impeach Clinton...they DID. Also, do I need to forward you all the names of the DEMOCRATS that voted in FAVOR of the war in Iraq?

Perhaps if you were more knowledgable of actual factual data you wouldnt be so hateful of the republican party.

By the tone of your post "simple questions must be repeated very s-l-o-w-l-y and o-f-t-e-n" implies to me that youre talking to me like a ****** "who don't get it".

I am talking to you like a person that doesnt understand what I mean. I work with a good many young people who are not ******** that still need to be spoken to slowly and clearly. Are you saying people with short attention spans are ********?

 

[Red Door]

Even when he points it out in a following post?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5338383&postcount=28

Oh yes, he does a good job of mentioning it. Somehow, the user forgot to elaborate on it like he did with the Democrats? Coincidence, I think not.

 

[MobBoss]

The best part of this thread, besides the mis-leading OP, is how MobBoss convineantly forgets that Republicans went on these trips too. Or do 2 wrongs make a right now-a-days?

I recommend actually reading the posts once in awhile. It might prevent you from posting such falsehoods.

 

[Red Door]

I recommend actually reading the posts once in awhile. It might prevent you from posting such falsehoods.

I did. I recommend checking your threads every once in a while too.

 

[MobBoss]

I did. I recommend checking your threads every once in a while too.

Really? Then you acknowledge your following allegation was incorrect?

The best part of this thread, besides the mis-leading OP, is how MobBoss convineantly forgets that Republicans went on these trips too.

I didnt forget it at all and indeed did mention it. However, the number of republicans on the trip is very small compared to the number of dems, correct?

 

[Red Door]

Really? Then you acknowledge your following allegation was incorrect?

Yes, unlike you, I can acknowledge that I'm a human being, and I make mistakes. It feels nice, because everyone's wrong in a while, but it takes a man to admit his mistakes.

I didnt forget it at all and indeed did mention it. However, the number of republicans on the trip is very small compared to the number of dems, correct?

It is of a smaller percentage. But to say that one side is spending our money is ridiculous.