I'm pretty sure that spell actually insta-kills Hyperborian, which is pretty handy, although admittedly almost exclusively targeted toward one specific enemy. I know I was playing a game with the Infernals sitting on my border looking all nasty with their hero Hyperborian in particular looking unassailable, Basium showed up and shortly thereafter Hyperborian was gone. Others have also reported insta-killing him with Basium's world spell. So if your objective in bringing in Basium is to stop the infernals that spell actually seems to work fairly well. Definitely not as general purpose as the other spells though.
Design: World Spells
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So that still supports the theory that the spell is bad....
If the spells only real use is to kill Hyborem then it is serverely overpowered and can get very annoying if you are playing as Hyborem, but if Hyborem is never summoned the spell is almost pointless. And with Hyborem rarely spawning and if he does he has a bad enough start that he can easily be killed with conventional means anyway.
So in effect the spell is bad becuase it has one specific target which could also be accomplished by any other civ through conventional means.
A better solution for the spell would be to target all ashen veil civs or maybe evil civs in general by damaging their units and maybe cuase unhappiness in all cities belonging to evil civs....
vorshlumpf
Emperor
"For the Horde" effectively breaks Terra maps; for me, at least. The AI Clan gets lizardmen and other units in the 'New' World, giving them decades or centuries to explore it. Part of the allure of this map is being among the first to find and explore (and settle) the New World.
Along these lines, I feel it illogical for this world spell to be effective on continents where the Clan has no presence. Perhaps this spell should be limited to those landmasses where the Clan either has cities or, at least, has a unit.
Along these lines, I feel it illogical for this world spell to be effective on continents where the Clan has no presence. Perhaps this spell should be limited to those landmasses where the Clan either has cities or, at least, has a unit.
perhaps basium's world spell could give all his units blessed, and another promotion with +20% str, +30% vs demons
(having a counter for sheaim units would not be fun, just like playing hyborem and fighting basium in previous versions, a hopeless battle)
or have it work vs AV civs, and once more vs demonic units, at half strength
(having a counter for sheaim units would not be fun, just like playing hyborem and fighting basium in previous versions, a hopeless battle)
or have it work vs AV civs, and once more vs demonic units, at half strength
While a good suggestion to limit the spell, i don't think that would work. It would make the spell very underpowered on smaller landmass maps such as islands...
How about just not counting animals (using the counter in CvArea)?
Admittedly this is based off 0 games of Shadow, but how about making the Khazad Motherlode DOUBLE the gold of the Khazad civ?
I think this way it scales better - it gives an incentive to wait in order to reap more return, and doesn't constrict the player's build choices.
I think this way it scales better - it gives an incentive to wait in order to reap more return, and doesn't constrict the player's build choices.
If you double their gold it would be a little too powerfull, they wouldn't have anything to spend that much gold on except rushing any wonders they wanted even the ones that would allow them to win the game.
glad to see the FfH team agree. Here are some random thoughts of mine.
Well they need 500 gold for every city in their empire for overflowing vaults.
Nikis-Knight
Deity
They seem to cast it as soon as the counter gets to 50, though it should probably be turn 50 AND sheaim at war with someone.
xienwolf
Deity
A possible modification to the spell: For the Horde and AI:
Will not cast it until they can SEE 8 (or some number) orcs. (Does the computer track visibility for the AI though?)
Will not cast it until they can SEE 8 (or some number) orcs. (Does the computer track visibility for the AI though?)
it-ogo
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Yeah, that was mentioned somewhere. It may be strong and my be not. In any case it is better to move it later and empower. E.g. doubles pop of your cities and halves others.
Mewtarthio
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A funny thing happened in my current Hyborem game. I'd used the Sheaim solely to beeline Infernal Pact, so they were pretty weak by the time I abandoned them, and immedieatly became vassals of Alexis. As Hyborem, I was going along nicely with my war against the Calabim, when the Sheaim used Worldbreak. At the conclusion, I got a few Manes weakened, and the Calabim had the final defenders of a city killed off. To top it off, there was nobody near enough to my lands to take advantage of my injuries: The spell did nothing more than help me fight the Sheaim's master.
Quetz
The Tallest Lilliputian
edited out..nevermind
Jono
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Just a little suggestion for a Balseraphs world spell. Hearsay: Gives one Tourist specialist (2 commerce; 0 commerce and 3 hammers when running slavery; +1 culture with freak show) per wonder (separately calculated for each city). Tourists may become mutated (1% chance per 3 chaos mana; the tourist gains random-ish bonuses or penalties), lose limbs (just a random event; an amputated tourist gives +1 happiness and +1 commerce) or die (this one's pretty simple).
asbesthund
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I think Arqane is right with his comment.
The Ljosalfar spell is way to strong. I had 6 Forests at my starting city. These gave me 6 Treants on turn 2. This was enough to wipe out 3 Ai players.
The Ljosalfar spell is way to strong. I had 6 Forests at my starting city. These gave me 6 Treants on turn 2. This was enough to wipe out 3 Ai players.
That just sounds nuts to me. What size map were you playing and how many AI players did it have on it. I suppose I can see it happening if you're on a small map with 18 civs or something. The furthest a Treant can get is 5 squares, unless you've got roads or something in place.
My experience with the spell is that the Treants can't get further than one city into enemy territory. On a standard size map with the standard number of Civs, there should not be 3 starting players within 5 squares of you. I suppose if you're really lucky they could use forest for pathway, but even then.
That's also a huge risk you're taking because now you have blown your only opportunity to use the world spell. On turn 2, there's no way you can now how close your opponents are. There's a good chance there's nothing close enough for your Treants to take out.
