Thank you again for all the work you're putting in, this will be invaluable as soon as I am updating the city name manager for the new map, so don't think it's not appreciated. I think participation will tick up when I actually start to work on it and it feels real to everyone else.
[Development] City Name Suggestions
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Derdan
Warlord
And the best way to do this would be to incentivize players to settle the canonical location over the coastal one.
Uncle Paul
Bittereinder
Or to give the coastal location its own city name. It should be Tangshan or possibly Qinhuangdao.
Krieger-FS
Warlord
The South African city placement isn't that great, here's my proposal for that
South Africa really should have another row added, but I know Leoreth isn't really a fan of expanding sections of the map.
I'd also recommend moving Gdansk 1N, we don't really need Putzig, and it crowds Warsaw less that way. Beijing also shouldn't be coastal, it's not a coastal city.
But this spreadsheet is mostly very good
As I said, there are large areas that need revision. LacsiraxAriscal's original spreadsheet (the current one is built upon it) is from back 2019-2020 and since then the map passed through many significant changes. I haven’t touched Europe, India or China, and barely did so with South Africa (mostly in border areas) so any suggestions are always welcomed.
Thanks! As always, I'm happy to be able to contribute to the mod, particularly doing research which is something I really enjoy!
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Its been many years since I’ve played this mod, but this thread randomly came up on the “most recent posts” for me and I got curious about the development of the mod.
I am very bad at geography but I live in Australia and I wanted to make a suggestion - change 70EL from Queanbeyan to Canberra. Canberra is our nation’s capital and much is a much larger city, is a mere 15 kilometres (9 miles) west of Queanbeyan. Queanbeyan largely serves as an exurb of Canberra, it would make a lot of sense to implement my suggestion.
Krieger-FS
Warlord
The tile turns to Canberra later (there is a note there). There are several other tiles/cities with similar situation.
ThreeBlackSevens
Warlord
Alright SO a few questions on how best to contribute to the map names!
1: Should I add things to both the spreadsheet and send pictures of the in-game map with labels? Or just the map, or just the spreadsheet?
2: I see some Indigenous names for cities in Canada, and conveniently I have a map where many cities also have the local Indigenous name for them listed. I'm not aware of any Native American civs north of the Aztecs in the game, but I assume since many are already there it would be worthwhile to add as many as possible anyway? What about extending that to the rest of the USA and Canada as well?
3: Are the spreadsheet and that cities.something file consistent with each other? Just asking so that I know whether or not I need to check both to see if places already have a name or if either one will give all that information.
4: Finally, would I be correct in the assumption from looking at the spreadsheet that we've settled on making one tile per city name wherever it's possible, so not squares of 4 tiles like in the current map?
1: Should I add things to both the spreadsheet and send pictures of the in-game map with labels? Or just the map, or just the spreadsheet?
2: I see some Indigenous names for cities in Canada, and conveniently I have a map where many cities also have the local Indigenous name for them listed. I'm not aware of any Native American civs north of the Aztecs in the game, but I assume since many are already there it would be worthwhile to add as many as possible anyway? What about extending that to the rest of the USA and Canada as well?
3: Are the spreadsheet and that cities.something file consistent with each other? Just asking so that I know whether or not I need to check both to see if places already have a name or if either one will give all that information.
4: Finally, would I be correct in the assumption from looking at the spreadsheet that we've settled on making one tile per city name wherever it's possible, so not squares of 4 tiles like in the current map?
Krieger-FS
Warlord
I certainly cannot answer all the questions with authority, but I'd say:
1) I'd gladly add any suggestions that you make in the spreadsheet. You can do it by adding a comment in the tile with the suggestions.
2) Canada is severely lacking in names, so any suggestions are always welcome! I don’t see any issue in adding indigenous names, though I didn’t in large parts of South America that don’t have native civs nearby (particularly Brazil). And who knows, maybe adding such cities can help us include in the future some Native American civs from the region (maybe the Iroquois?). If you wanna try to give a shot for any civ in the region, there is this thread for it.
3) I honestly don’t know. I just copied the original LacsiraxAriscal’s spreadsheet and started adding and revising the names.
4) I’d say use your better judgment. I’ve tried to focus one tile per city, but certainly isn’t a hard rule that I’m following. There are some areas in the Amazon, Sahara or Siberia that is impossible to add one city per tile. In other places, you can also include alternative tiles for some cities, considering the real-world location (like those placed in/quite near border tiles). In the end, Leoreth will make the decision and we are just suggesting some ideas.
1) I'd gladly add any suggestions that you make in the spreadsheet. You can do it by adding a comment in the tile with the suggestions.
2) Canada is severely lacking in names, so any suggestions are always welcome! I don’t see any issue in adding indigenous names, though I didn’t in large parts of South America that don’t have native civs nearby (particularly Brazil). And who knows, maybe adding such cities can help us include in the future some Native American civs from the region (maybe the Iroquois?). If you wanna try to give a shot for any civ in the region, there is this thread for it.
3) I honestly don’t know. I just copied the original LacsiraxAriscal’s spreadsheet and started adding and revising the names.
4) I’d say use your better judgment. I’ve tried to focus one tile per city, but certainly isn’t a hard rule that I’m following. There are some areas in the Amazon, Sahara or Siberia that is impossible to add one city per tile. In other places, you can also include alternative tiles for some cities, considering the real-world location (like those placed in/quite near border tiles). In the end, Leoreth will make the decision and we are just suggesting some ideas.
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stormogulen
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Yeah, so I'm behind the suggestions on Russia that Krieger mentioned on the previous page. I've basically slogged through Russia from Ingria to Kamchatka, filling some of the many existing gaps. It's definitely not perfect work, but a large part of its settleable tiles now have a name assigned to them in Krieger's map.
Maybe I'll eventually make some small related map suggestions. There are some spots that could be opened for somewhat historical or/and large towns such as Yeniseysk, Bratsk, Blagoveshchensk and Turukhansk. Conversely, there are probably unnecessarily many settleable/farmable tiles in some areas, like between the Taz and Yenisey rivers, or north of the Angara river. Very few people live in these areas IRL.
Maybe I'll eventually make some small related map suggestions. There are some spots that could be opened for somewhat historical or/and large towns such as Yeniseysk, Bratsk, Blagoveshchensk and Turukhansk. Conversely, there are probably unnecessarily many settleable/farmable tiles in some areas, like between the Taz and Yenisey rivers, or north of the Angara river. Very few people live in these areas IRL.
Editing the spreadsheet is the preferred way from my point of view.
Indigenous names are welcome but not mandatory. I think for the spreadsheet it is best to use names only once (i.e. for one tile). We can do the backfilling when actually porting it into the game and there are empty spaces.
Indigenous names are welcome but not mandatory. I think for the spreadsheet it is best to use names only once (i.e. for one tile). We can do the backfilling when actually porting it into the game and there are empty spaces.
Dracosolon
Emperor
Check out the canonical city locations thread, it has a lot of European proposals.
Krieger-FS
Warlord
Just another update about the spreadsheet: I’ve finished my city name suggestions for Africa.
Currently, there are only few tiles in Sahara that don’t have any names, though I’m not that concerned about it because it is in areas mostly uninhabited and basically unsettleable. Nonetheless, in some few regions, such Egypt, Nubia, and Ethiopia, I feel that we could have some additional look and I’d appreciate to have any feedback or new suggestions for it.
I’ll probably take some time away from the map, but I’ve opened the spreadsheet for direct edits to anyone who wants to make their own suggestions. I did make a backup in case someone accidentally delete some tile name data, but be careful to not lose the work done so far. There are still large areas without any city names, and others are in dire need of revision, such India and China.
Currently, there are only few tiles in Sahara that don’t have any names, though I’m not that concerned about it because it is in areas mostly uninhabited and basically unsettleable. Nonetheless, in some few regions, such Egypt, Nubia, and Ethiopia, I feel that we could have some additional look and I’d appreciate to have any feedback or new suggestions for it.
I’ll probably take some time away from the map, but I’ve opened the spreadsheet for direct edits to anyone who wants to make their own suggestions. I did make a backup in case someone accidentally delete some tile name data, but be careful to not lose the work done so far. There are still large areas without any city names, and others are in dire need of revision, such India and China.
freethink
King
@Krieger-FS
I'll see what I can do, on African names. I will also be looking to add Latin Names when possible
Currently, I am working a little bit each day to expand Latin names worldwide, I am doing North America at the moment but I want to branch out to all continents.
My criteria for making or translating Latin Names in the US goes as follows. I check the following
Please take a look!
I'll see what I can do, on African names. I will also be looking to add Latin Names when possible
Currently, I am working a little bit each day to expand Latin names worldwide, I am doing North America at the moment but I want to branch out to all continents.
My criteria for making or translating Latin Names in the US goes as follows. I check the following
- Does the area already have a classical or neoclassical name
- Does the area have a name tied to Catholics or Christianity in general?
- Should a native name be incorporated into the Roman name (this is frequently the case)
- Does the area have special characteristics that might be part of a Latin name or should the meaning of the native name be used/translated?
Please take a look!
Krieger-FS
Warlord
Thank you and the others that also contributed in the map! I'll look soon for your and other people suggestions there.
Regarding the Latin names, I honestly didn't have any thoughts about them for the Americas and thus don't have any definitive answers, so it is better to consult Leoreth about it. What I can tell, based on my Andean civs suggestions, is that I did try to translate some Spanish names for site/settlements to a native language (mostly Quechua).
Regarding the Latin names, I honestly didn't have any thoughts about them for the Americas and thus don't have any definitive answers, so it is better to consult Leoreth about it. What I can tell, based on my Andean civs suggestions, is that I did try to translate some Spanish names for site/settlements to a native language (mostly Quechua).
Sorry, what do I need to be consulted on?
If the question is if it is desirable to have a Latin name for places unknown to the Romans, sure. If the name is sourceable in another way (i.e. contemporary Latinisations), that's all we need. These names can be used for alt-history situations where Rome survives into the modern age, especially when player controlled.
If the question is if it is desirable to have a Latin name for places unknown to the Romans, sure. If the name is sourceable in another way (i.e. contemporary Latinisations), that's all we need. These names can be used for alt-history situations where Rome survives into the modern age, especially when player controlled.
Dracosolon
Emperor
Where do these latin versions of New World cities even come from? Does the Vatican keep their own record for what they'd name the city, just in case? 
Stenopolis in particular is somehow an entry in the Wiktionary and as far as I know exists nowhere else on the internet lolWhere do these latin versions of New World cities even come from? Does the Vatican keep their own record for what they'd name the city, just in case?
I'm guessing, though, that some of these names would have been used e.g. by local religious institutions in the past few centuries, or when city governments came up with official mottos, etc.
