DG6 Polling 101 - SHOW US YOUR CARDS

Again Ashburnham, I agree, let us make this a mandate for the Judiciary. Maybe they can preempt JRs, CCs and PIs what have you by assuring polls are made appropriately.
I can vividly remember Mhcarver threatening me over a poll once - for good reason from what he knew- , a poll I intended to post anyways, so the common practice is that they already do so, preemptively signalling polls are bad. I can mention dozen of examples where the Judiciary folks have used their position and stature to make their view of the poll a source of organizational pressure. We can now take the full step.
 
As I see it, the PSC shouldn't be all that official - it would work better as a group of volunteers dedicated to the cause. I'm of the viewpoint that this body should be an advisory one rather than an 'official' one, a comission that exists to educate and promote the use of good polling practices.
 
We did have an election for the PSC in the past. Anyone could be a member of the citizen's group and use their right to free speech to comment on a poll, but there was also a group of people who had "The duty" for a term, and would provide the committee's official recommendation on proposed polls, and evaluation of actual polls.

Since membership is open to all, there is no reason the members of the judiciary couldn't be on the committee. Having additional elected members would ensure that if the court docket is full, poll evaluations don't suffer due to low priority.

The terms I was involved, we ran this election in the polls forum instead of the main forum, since it was not an official office in the constitution, but only a citizens group.
 
Eklektikos said:
And, to put the above information into context and fill in certain gaps, here are the polling procedures as enacted within the DG2 Code of Standards:

Forum Poll Procedures

1. The following criteria are required for a poll to be binding:

a) Quorum levels must be met.

(i) Quorum for polls is 1/3 of the active census within the first 24 hours or;

(ii) 1/2 of the active census after the first 24 hours.


b) Approval levels must be achieved.

(i) In the first 24 hours a super plurality is required.
(a) To "win" the poll in the first 24 hours, a category must receive at least double the votes received by the next highest choice.

(ii) After the first 24 hours a simple plurality is required.

(iii) If "Abstain" ever holds plurality at the end of a poll, the poll is not binding.​


2. The following criteria are required for a poll to be valid:

a) Discussion thread open for 24 hours, minimum.


*b) Poll type in the header and first post.
Meaning Formal or Informal. The only classification required is posting Informal (if it is) in the narrative.

**c) Poll end dates/times noted in the first post.
The number of days the poll is open should suffice. The time doesn't change.

(i) End dates/times can be conditional. (Example: poll ends at the beginning of the next chat turn)


d) Participation requirement (quorum needed) noted in the first post.


e) Link to relevant discussion threads in the first post.


f) Inclusion of an "Abstain" option.


***g) Link to the poll in the Poll Registry.
This can be removed. It's not a life or death issue.​


3. The following criteria are preferred for all polls:

*a) Proposed poll, up for 24 hours minimum.
For any polls used for Constitutional or CoL issues (amendments) this should be required. Move to valid poll requirements.


**b) Poll posted with link from discussion thread.
This is in the valid poll requirements already. I understand why it's also listed here, but many may not, and this could cause legal problems.

c) Poll duration minimum of 24 hours (48 hours plus is preferred).

(i) If the poll runs into the weekend it is advised that the duration be extended by 24 hours for each weekend day. Forum participation is much lower on the weekends.


d) Link to the poll in the appropriate Department thread.​


*4. Information polls - Do not have restrictions and cannot be used to justify policy, plans or actions.
I don't care for this rule. Informal/Informational polls can be very persuasive and should adhere to the same rules as others. Anyone can learn to write polls.

a) All polls posted by Leaders are considered Official unless specifically noted to be informational in the header and first post.​
 
I've never been too fond of the "1st 24 hour" rules - something could be passed on the first 24 hour basis that would fail later on.

For binding, perhaps:
-- Contents of poll are matters within control of leader posting that poll -OR-
-- Leader affected by poll agrees to accept the results

For instructions, I don't think we need a quorum. Even if only 5 or 6 people vote in a poll (assuming it was posted in a timely manner), isn't that the Will of the People? What else could it be? Yes, most people didn't vote - so?

-- Ravensfire
 
ravensfire said:
I've never been too fond of the "1st 24 hour" rules - something could be passed on the first 24 hour basis that would fail later on.

For binding, perhaps:
-- Contents of poll are matters within control of leader posting that poll -OR-
-- Leader affected by poll agrees to accept the results

For instructions, I don't think we need a quorum. Even if only 5 or 6 people vote in a poll (assuming it was posted in a timely manner), isn't that the Will of the People? What else could it be? Yes, most people didn't vote - so?

-- Ravensfire

What would a timely matter be? A poll posted for declaration of war against another nation would surely need more than 5 or 6 people voting and more than 1 or 2 days vote time.
 
Yeah, we can make 2.d only apply to Amendment polls.

Super plurality works for me. I never saw a problem with it.

Your binding comment works for me too.
 
Moderator Action: Thread brought over at the request of Provolution.
 
Chieftess, thank you very much :) No need to reinvent gunpowder here.
 
Gunpowder? What's that? All we have are these pieces of flint...

;)
 
Didn't want to make a new thread so I'll post in the most relevant one - GO VOTE FOR EXTERNAL CONSUL! There is a one vote lead, the drama is piling. If you haven't voted, you must, this is what the Demogame is about! Ok, back to the discussion...
 
Moderators should never be called in to police polls. The citizens of the Demo game should police their own game.

Allowing appeal to moderators means that folks who disagree with the majority can attempt to still enforce their view by skirting their government. Further, it puts the moderators in an untenable position, not to mention it encourages claims of bias.
 
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