Excellent job! All that blue looks nice..
DGIT # 2-Krafty Koreans
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SpikeIt
Deity
Yes, our Korean sea of blue looks very nice! SolarKnight did good work. 
I agree a building up our infrastructure is definitely important at this stage. But I'm hesitant to pursue Republic without having at least another luxury source. And growing cities to size 12 is going to be really tough without luxuries. If we are going to stand pat and grow, we need to connect to Mongolia to try and trade for some ivory. But with ivory sitting just over the border, well, you probably can read my mind...
Mongolia is a bit larger than can be seen. Temujin has about 12 or so cities in total that I can recall. A war with Sumeria would be a cakewalk, I think. The only negative would be the GA they would likely start for themselves. But they really don't possess anything we want besides land, and Bad-tibira.
My vote: Monarchy, limited ivory war with Mongols to take Darhan and
Almarikh. Raze Almarikh and rebuild to avoid culture issues. Build up core cities (get Seattle humming!)
I agree a building up our infrastructure is definitely important at this stage. But I'm hesitant to pursue Republic without having at least another luxury source. And growing cities to size 12 is going to be really tough without luxuries. If we are going to stand pat and grow, we need to connect to Mongolia to try and trade for some ivory. But with ivory sitting just over the border, well, you probably can read my mind...
Mongolia is a bit larger than can be seen. Temujin has about 12 or so cities in total that I can recall. A war with Sumeria would be a cakewalk, I think. The only negative would be the GA they would likely start for themselves. But they really don't possess anything we want besides land, and Bad-tibira.
My vote: Monarchy, limited ivory war with Mongols to take Darhan and
Almarikh. Raze Almarikh and rebuild to avoid culture issues. Build up core cities (get Seattle humming!)
Blasphemous
Graulich
I say we do this:
Build up infrastructure, expecially in New Korea.
Second this wonder race it over for good, we switch to Monarchy.
Once in monarchy, Korea starts building up offensive military, while New Korea sticks with infrastructure and some defesive military for New and Newer Korea.
We take all of Sumerian Newer Korea other than the pathetic little town of Erech. A GA isn't much use with one city, but to get it to that we will have to be extremely quick. They likely will be producing Enkidus like bats out of hell, so we have to prepare a crushing force of Knights, and take at least a couple of cities upon declaration (We should consider a RoP with Byzantines to allow us to attack from two fronts). The rest should be taken as soon as Koreanly possible. If we have to wait a bit to do this, let it be. A prolonged war with an enemy that can produce 10-shield spears is not my idea of a good time. Once Newer Korea is ours, we switch New Korea to military, Korea to infrastructure and defensive military for New and Newer Korea. Newer korea should produce whatever infrastructure it can. (I see a great future for Umma under Korean control.)
Once we are ready for a flash flood across the Mongolian portion of Newer Korea, we take it, and leave them the most pathetic coastal city we can find. Prefferably one far away from New Korea.
Once New and Newer Korea are under our complete control, we should build a palace in Boston (nice central city) and prepare to sieze Newest Korea from Byzantine control. Then we just work on a load of infrastructure and beeline for Communism.
Yes, you heard me, Communism.
The SPHQ will be placed in Newest Korea, allowing for well-spread corruption across the entire Korean continent. We will have a load of cities and a load of territory, meaning Communal Corruption should net us a lot of money and production, which are exactly what you need for a space program. Our Veteran Spies should prove quite useful in the Space Race.
There - my plan for the next millennium. ^^
Build up infrastructure, expecially in New Korea.
Second this wonder race it over for good, we switch to Monarchy.
Once in monarchy, Korea starts building up offensive military, while New Korea sticks with infrastructure and some defesive military for New and Newer Korea.
We take all of Sumerian Newer Korea other than the pathetic little town of Erech. A GA isn't much use with one city, but to get it to that we will have to be extremely quick. They likely will be producing Enkidus like bats out of hell, so we have to prepare a crushing force of Knights, and take at least a couple of cities upon declaration (We should consider a RoP with Byzantines to allow us to attack from two fronts). The rest should be taken as soon as Koreanly possible. If we have to wait a bit to do this, let it be. A prolonged war with an enemy that can produce 10-shield spears is not my idea of a good time. Once Newer Korea is ours, we switch New Korea to military, Korea to infrastructure and defensive military for New and Newer Korea. Newer korea should produce whatever infrastructure it can. (I see a great future for Umma under Korean control.)
Once we are ready for a flash flood across the Mongolian portion of Newer Korea, we take it, and leave them the most pathetic coastal city we can find. Prefferably one far away from New Korea.
Once New and Newer Korea are under our complete control, we should build a palace in Boston (nice central city) and prepare to sieze Newest Korea from Byzantine control. Then we just work on a load of infrastructure and beeline for Communism.
Yes, you heard me, Communism.
The SPHQ will be placed in Newest Korea, allowing for well-spread corruption across the entire Korean continent. We will have a load of cities and a load of territory, meaning Communal Corruption should net us a lot of money and production, which are exactly what you need for a space program. Our Veteran Spies should prove quite useful in the Space Race.
There - my plan for the next millennium. ^^
SpikeIt
Deity
A decidedly evil plan. 
I like it. At first I'm reading Communism and thinking what the heck is he talking about. Slower tech pace. But then again, we are Koreans. And once we have Newest 
Korea, we are Northern as well, so Communism makes sense. Sounds like a hoot.
My only revision would be to have the limited war with the Mongols while we have the forces in the area. We can rush a rax in New Korea and upgrade our stacks of swords to MDI's which are already out west in Houston. Take Almarikh (ivory) and Darhan (maybe their only iron?) and settle for peace. Do this before Mongols get Feudalism.
In the mean time, trade Monotheism and maybe some of our furs for Engineering if possible so we can start down the gunpowder path.
Then, perform buildup and attack Sumeria completing Newer Korea.
Then finish off the Mongols with Knights and/or Cavs.
Communism... heh. Could be fun.
I like it. At first I'm reading Communism and thinking what the heck is he talking about. Slower tech pace. But then again, we are Koreans. And once we have Newest Korea, we are Northern as well, so Communism makes sense. Sounds like a hoot.My only revision would be to have the limited war with the Mongols while we have the forces in the area. We can rush a rax in New Korea and upgrade our stacks of swords to MDI's which are already out west in Houston. Take Almarikh (ivory) and Darhan (maybe their only iron?) and settle for peace. Do this before Mongols get Feudalism.
In the mean time, trade Monotheism and maybe some of our furs for Engineering if possible so we can start down the gunpowder path.
Then, perform buildup and attack Sumeria completing Newer Korea.
Then finish off the Mongols with Knights and/or Cavs.
Communism... heh. Could be fun.
Blasphemous
Graulich
Not a good idea to make Mongols our enemy just when we're planning to perform a quick surgical war against sumeria. They can easily attack us while we concentrate on massacering Enkidus, and since Sumeria will be taken quickly anyhow, there's no need to be dangerously hasty with Mongolia. Even if we have to delay that ivory by twenty turns - twenty SAFE turns - I'm okay with that. We can afford to invest in the Lux slider.
Sandrock LQ
Demi-God in Training
Am I up? If so, consider this a got it.
We have a couple days to talk because I likely will be unable to play until Wednesday or Thursday.
Everyone should know my opinion. I want the whole continent. I've never been one to go in pieces, so I'm not used to the idea of attacking a civ strategically for only a couple of cities. That could prove interesting.
We have a couple days to talk because I likely will be unable to play until Wednesday or Thursday.
Everyone should know my opinion. I want the whole continent. I've never been one to go in pieces, so I'm not used to the idea of attacking a civ strategically for only a couple of cities. That could prove interesting.
Blasphemous
Graulich
If it weren't for the lasting resentment, I would play with quick grabs of strategic locations... But since that civ is useless to you for trade and stuff once you attack it, I usually just wait a bit and take the whole damn thing while I'm at it. That makes them useful. ^^
SpikeIt
Deity
Civs get over being attacked and will usually trade with you after an attack within several turns as long as they have something to trade with. But seriously, we're taking the Mongols down at some point anyway. Do we really care if they are a bit upset after being downsized? Keep some pikes in the area. We'll need to do that anyhow, as Temujin isn't the kindest leader around. I would not leave New Korea lightly guarded as Temujin may decide to get in on the warring action limited war or not.
Heck, after a limited strike versus Mongolia, strike peace, declare on the Sumerians and ask Temujin to join us. That would likely keep him out of our hair for a bit. Or include some of our furs in the peace agreement. Then it will be his rep hit, if he declares earlier.
Anyhow, its just a thought as the opportunity is there right now. Once the Mongols pick up Feudalism, we may not want to fight Temujin for a while. The Sumerians should be easy pickin's for sometime unless they pick up some iron.
Heck, after a limited strike versus Mongolia, strike peace, declare on the Sumerians and ask Temujin to join us. That would likely keep him out of our hair for a bit. Or include some of our furs in the peace agreement. Then it will be his rep hit, if he declares earlier.
Anyhow, its just a thought as the opportunity is there right now. Once the Mongols pick up Feudalism, we may not want to fight Temujin for a while. The Sumerians should be easy pickin's for sometime unless they pick up some iron.
Blasphemous
Graulich
I don't think it's a good idea to hit Mongolia now... It can wait till we've taken Sumeria. Remember, we're taking Sumeria with fast units, which means we can amass a nice bit of troops on the Mongolian border quite quickly. This also means we can cut off their Iron quickly. As long as we get Knights, we should have no problem whatsoever taking them.
I think we need to solidify our power in New Korea before we start going down all of the other rabbit holes.
(I wonder how fast we would've gone through that last game with this group. )
(I wonder how fast we would've gone through that last game with this group.
)
SpikeIt
Deity
Originally posted by Smellincoffee
I'll vote for Korea. I don't like Sumer's neighbors.
Sorry. I found this amusing. I stumbled onto the first page of our SG thread and saw this quote from Smellincoffee. If I was Sumeria, I wouldn't like my neighbor to the south either!
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
Wow, these are all great ideas! For the first time I'm not really sure which way to go with this game... sooooo many options open to us.
Those Summarians are fiesty little guys, and truthfully I'm not sure if we're strong enough to take them out in one push now. Besides, if we wait just a little bit longer, Summaria will be done making Ekidu, and making something stronger. Which means no GA if we attack MDI with knights instead of Ekidu with Swords.
Mongolia on the other hand is going to get the Keshik very soon. Takes the place of their knights, and they're more likely to attack us the Summaria, even if we are the same cultural group. They may have a few Keshik's built by the time we invade, but if we take out Summaria first, they will have alot more, and Keshiks are rough all the way up to Industrial Ages. If we take Ta Tu and Alamarikh, we will make a good choke point, where we can seal them off, and ensure we can take them at our pleasure.
Summaria also has a much wider front then Mongolia does, and they're more into building then warmongering, which means they may have alot of Ekidu, but not going to have much else in 50 turns.
Now if we do go over the Mongols, we'll have to consider if we're going to take those 3 cities, and call it quits, or destroy them. If we are going to destroy them, it's going to take a little while. Instead of signing a RoP with Byz, maybe we should sign an MA against Mongolia with them. It will weaken both of them to be warring, Byz will only get a few of their smaller corrupt cities near their contient, while we can take their mainland. Once we did that, a palace move to Boston would be crucial. The FP is in Wonson, which is close to both the Old and New Capitals. Another plus for going after Mongolia is city size. Most of their "cities" are really villiages which means no defensive bonus, and 2!! Ivory! We'd be rich! We're probably the only other people with Ivory in the world.
Rush some barracks to help starve down American cities, upgrade our Swordman, and take on Mongolia within 10-15 turns, taking Ta-tu, Almarikh, and Darhan for sure, and maybe taking out Karakorum to destroy their culture. Karakorum would be an even better choke point then Ta-tu now that I look at it more. Raze, and rebuild it, and we won't have to worry about flipping of the other cities.
The more I think about it, the more and more I like the idea of taking out Mongolia with troops from the core, while we build up the new cities. If we take the fight only to Karakorum, they will be crippled which means we can sue for peace for 20 turns, turn to Summaria and take them out after they upgrade their Ekidu, then if we still have gas left return to Mongolia to finish off their last few cities.
We still need to figure out if we should sign Byz to an MA or or an RoP to take out Mongolia, or both.
Those Summarians are fiesty little guys, and truthfully I'm not sure if we're strong enough to take them out in one push now. Besides, if we wait just a little bit longer, Summaria will be done making Ekidu, and making something stronger. Which means no GA if we attack MDI with knights instead of Ekidu with Swords.
Mongolia on the other hand is going to get the Keshik very soon. Takes the place of their knights, and they're more likely to attack us the Summaria, even if we are the same cultural group. They may have a few Keshik's built by the time we invade, but if we take out Summaria first, they will have alot more, and Keshiks are rough all the way up to Industrial Ages. If we take Ta Tu and Alamarikh, we will make a good choke point, where we can seal them off, and ensure we can take them at our pleasure.
Summaria also has a much wider front then Mongolia does, and they're more into building then warmongering, which means they may have alot of Ekidu, but not going to have much else in 50 turns.
Now if we do go over the Mongols, we'll have to consider if we're going to take those 3 cities, and call it quits, or destroy them. If we are going to destroy them, it's going to take a little while. Instead of signing a RoP with Byz, maybe we should sign an MA against Mongolia with them. It will weaken both of them to be warring, Byz will only get a few of their smaller corrupt cities near their contient, while we can take their mainland. Once we did that, a palace move to Boston would be crucial. The FP is in Wonson, which is close to both the Old and New Capitals. Another plus for going after Mongolia is city size. Most of their "cities" are really villiages which means no defensive bonus, and 2!! Ivory! We'd be rich! We're probably the only other people with Ivory in the world.
Rush some barracks to help starve down American cities, upgrade our Swordman, and take on Mongolia within 10-15 turns, taking Ta-tu, Almarikh, and Darhan for sure, and maybe taking out Karakorum to destroy their culture. Karakorum would be an even better choke point then Ta-tu now that I look at it more. Raze, and rebuild it, and we won't have to worry about flipping of the other cities.
The more I think about it, the more and more I like the idea of taking out Mongolia with troops from the core, while we build up the new cities. If we take the fight only to Karakorum, they will be crippled which means we can sue for peace for 20 turns, turn to Summaria and take them out after they upgrade their Ekidu, then if we still have gas left return to Mongolia to finish off their last few cities.
We still need to figure out if we should sign Byz to an MA or or an RoP to take out Mongolia, or both.
SpikeIt
Deity
Do Ekidu upgrade to MDI or Pikes? I would imagine Pikes, right? Anyhow, I think its inevitable that we'll be attacking some Ekidu at some point. The AI always seems to leave old troops around.
Also, the Sumerians lack iron. They can't build pikes, swords or MDI's. Heck, they don't have horses either. So no horses or knights. So their attack force will consist of Ekidu and archers. Maybe longbows if they get to Invention. Not too awe inspiring. I've never fought Sumeria in a game, so I can't acknowledge how feisty they are, but this Korean scoffs at the mere mention of the Sumerian "army".
The Mongolian army probably consists of swords, spearmen, archers, and ancient cavs. Once they get Feudalism, expect pikes and MDI's. They have a bit to go before they can get their Keshiks.
Also, the Sumerians lack iron. They can't build pikes, swords or MDI's. Heck, they don't have horses either. So no horses or knights. So their attack force will consist of Ekidu and archers. Maybe longbows if they get to Invention. Not too awe inspiring. I've never fought Sumeria in a game, so I can't acknowledge how feisty they are, but this Korean scoffs at the mere mention of the Sumerian "army".
The Mongolian army probably consists of swords, spearmen, archers, and ancient cavs. Once they get Feudalism, expect pikes and MDI's. They have a bit to go before they can get their Keshiks.
alerum68
Priest of Hiroshima
Right, is why I think we should remove them now, beore they do get Keshiks. Would you really want to be fighting them against Keshiks, and spawn their GA with their UA?
SolarKnight
Guardian of the Balance
The Ekidu upgrades to pikes as far as i can remember
Blasphemous
Graulich
Enkidus upgrade to Pikes, that is true.
Anyhow, at the prospect of Keshiks which I had not considered before, I think it would be best to whipe Mongolia out now, and then take Sumeria after we build a Palace in Boston. We can move directly on to Byz after that, if we want.
We should only sign an MA if we really need the help or if they may declare on us otherwise... Making the Byzantines stronger isn't exactly my top priority at the moment.
Anyhow, at the prospect of Keshiks which I had not considered before, I think it would be best to whipe Mongolia out now, and then take Sumeria after we build a Palace in Boston. We can move directly on to Byz after that, if we want.
We should only sign an MA if we really need the help or if they may declare on us otherwise... Making the Byzantines stronger isn't exactly my top priority at the moment.
Sandrock LQ
Demi-God in Training
I'm starting to lean towards Mongolia. Attack them, see how it goes, and if possible, wipe them clean off the map. I'm only concerned about our newly built cities, which may be lacking in the defense department.
Blasphemous
Graulich
I don't think it would be very smart to just charge in right now...
We gotta build up some good defenses in New Korea (Especially Boston) and only then get marchin'.
We gotta build up some good defenses in New Korea (Especially Boston) and only then get marchin'.
SpikeIt
Deity
Build up is fine, but I wouldn't wait too long or they'll pick up Feudalism and pikes. If we can grab the close by iron early, maybe the Mongols will lack another source and we can limit their defenses. I still say we rush a rax out west, upgrade some of the swords and spears for the first wave and defense.
The obvious problem with the Keshiks is the GA to be spawned, so we don't want to wait too long to attack or we will be limiting our advantage. It would be great if we can find the Mongol horse resources as Keshiks require horses (but not iron!).
The obvious problem with the Keshiks is the GA to be spawned, so we don't want to wait too long to attack or we will be limiting our advantage. It would be great if we can find the Mongol horse resources as Keshiks require horses (but not iron!).
SolarKnight
Guardian of the Balance
Do we have an embassy with the mongols, if so and we have enough money, we could investigate some of the mongol cities and find their horses that way
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