Diplo for D'nut

[Whomp]

That works for me Daghie. Let's put it in place.

On the topic of monarchy our religion gives us the flexibility to change at any time. MIA in a republic will experience war weariness points like crazy. I think it's worth the cost to maintain a low lux rate and higher unit count.

 

[Kickbooti]

With the Nuts having 'many units,' I like the idea of smacking TNT better while be build up a home guard. Getting a beach-head on Battle Isle shouldn't be too tough, especially if Nuts are INVITING us to do that. An agreement to that end would be good.

In the meantime we build the core, build SoD's and sign peace with MIA.

If Nuts take out TNT they may just decide to keep going with a military victory TNT - MIA - US.

We should get some of Battle Isle, build the core, husband our miliitary. Nothing like MI and Pikes to discourage MWs.

 

[Daghdha]

I'm not too eager to split our forces. Clear home turf first, then a road trip.
Edit: Reason I say this is basically because Slinger and Scout, from a military viewpoint, thought that would be best.

 

[gmaharriet]

Just thinking out loud here. If we did want to fight on the other continent first, could we consider a fairly long-term peace agreement with MIA, perhaps through the MA, to stay at peace until the other continent has been cleared of TNT and D'nuts, then a certain number of turn of guaranteed peace.

It would be possible to do with the Middle Ages what we've done in the AA, sharing research. This would have to be a formal treaty filed with the admins.

Has this been considered?

 

[Whomp]

GramH --It seems our warmongers Scout and Slinger feel that is a little far fetched because of the amount of material we would have to bring to the picnic.

 

[gmaharriet]

Thanks, Whomp! Just thought I'd ask, because the cooperative research worked so well with (with a bit of arm-twisting negotiation).

 

[Daghdha]

This is a mail we've sent to Doughnutia. Let's see how they respond to this, and then we can maybe extend our co-op. For the time being not ending up beneath a pile of dogs after we declare on MIA seems the most important thing.

Highly Esteemed People of Yummy Pastry

The Celtic tribe of Idiots has, after lengthy and vivid "discussions" involving a not so small amount of beer and snacks, come to the conclusion that co-operation with you good people would be a cool thing. We're not sure about the specifics of such a co-op, but since we're Way Cool Dudes we are thinking in the lines of Love, Peace and Harmony, focusing on Peace. Therefore we have scribbled down a modest proposal to which we await your reply. If we could sign this, it might be the beginning of a long and fruitfull partnership between our stupid and fat tribes, or at least a cause for downing a pint or two.
Here goes:

Team KISS and Team Doughnut will not attack each other, or with military units support a third team attacking the other part. This agreement is valid until Team KISS and Team Doughnut are the only ones left in the MTDG.

All the Best
Team K.I.S.S.

 

[Pentium]

That's good, if they accept ofcourse. I'd really like to see only us and Nuts left in the game, without any good reason.

 

[Whomp]

I told him it's been pretty quiet around here too.

Whomp,

Sorry we have not got back to you as yet but it appears most of the team is in holiday mode so discussion have gone slower then expected, however we have not forgotten about you guys and we will be in touch shortly. Thanks for your patience.

Robi D

 

[Whomp]

It seems Donut and TNT are talking peace. I asked for a peace agreement but didn't get any confirmation. That didn't give me a very good feeling.

Spoiler :

Rob says:
hi whomp, how are you
Whomp says:
hold on rob helping gram harriet with the save
Rob says:
no probs
Whomp says:
i should have it to you in 10 minutes!
Rob says:
it ok, i was just trying to keep cool, it hot down here
Whomp says:
it's snowing like mad here!! lol
Rob says:
well it 45 here
Whomp says:
wow
Rob says:
i think thats like 118 F
Whomp says:
-4 ish here
Rob says:
pity we can't mix the 2 day together and get 20 odd
Rob says:
sorry we don't have an answer for you guys just yet, things have been moving slow in our team the past few weeks plus other things have come up to complicate matters
Whomp says:
everthing ok?

Rob says:
yeah, it just debeat seem to be wrapping up then we receieved a peace offer from TNT which was half decent, which mean a whole new debate started
Whomp says:
wow that's cool
Whomp says:
they are average compared to us
Rob says:
my preference is still your offer, but its a team game. Anyway i set a 48 hour limit on the debate so we should have a final decwsion by next turn
Whomp says:
that's cool you could use the peace
Rob says:
yeah, but my problem is 1, how much can we trust them and 2 how long we it take to come up with an offer that both of us agree to
Rob says:
the one thing everyone has agreed to is to do a tech swap between us if you guys are still interested in monarchy
Whomp says:
i think we could be interested still for sure
Rob says:
also do you guys have currency?
Whomp says:
we do
Rob says:
ok, no probs
Rob says:
we will have monarchy in 17 from the last turn
Whomp says:
moving along nice
Whomp says:
the save was just sent
Rob says:
yeah, pop increases plus some new towns have brought it down quickly, we have a couple more towns to put down so it will probably be soon then 17
Rob says:
so how are things with mia, we've noticed they gone on a bit of a expansion rush
Whomp says:
i'm coaching gram through this sorry
Rob says:
it ok, everyones new once
Whomp says:
chamnix is a very good player
Rob says:
yes he is
Whomp says:
he's got them on track big time
Whomp says:
their cranking out points
Rob says:
yeah we noticed them increase the points rate, and they coming in on your side of the jungle
Whomp says:
there's luxs
Rob says:
how does their military compare, everyone is weak to us atm so its hard to tell
Whomp says:
average
Whomp says:
they were weak so
Rob says:
your islands probably lucky that you have 1 def uu and 1 att uu, otherwise you might have been in the same boat as us
Whomp says:
they could've pillaged the crap out of us
Whomp says:
that was my fear if they were a neighbor
Rob says:
i suppose but they are pretty worried about those gallics, i think you guys have the best of the uu's
Whomp says:
they're expensive though
Rob says:
it there only weakness, but if you can crank some out they can be a very tricky opponent to beat
Whomp says:
well i'd like to get some elites out of the uprising
Rob says:
good luck, i don't think we've gotten a single promotion out of killing a barb
Whomp says: The Iroquois ain't so shabby.
Rob says:
yeah those mw's can come in pretty handy
Rob says:
they beaten those immo's back a few times now
Whomp says:
and the traits are monster
Rob says:
well hopefully we can you them a bit more now that TNT's been weakened, get us back in the running so to speak
Whomp says:
well we'd like to work with you guys
Rob says:
for sure, no matter what happens with tnt now we would like to work with you guys in the future, there's still a long way to go in the game
Whomp says:
for sure
Whomp says:
even a long term peace and trading
Whomp says:
brb
Rob says:
definately, we dont want mia getting ahead in techs
Rob says:
sorry whomp i have to head off now, but thanks for the chat. We will definately work together in the future. Also just checked the turn you guys sent, it works ok but its labeled 10 instead of 90. take care
Whomp says:
ok see ya

 

[Daghdha]

I think maybe we should talk more with Nuts about this and propouse one continent each and a space race scenario. The only good that would come to them by joining a dogpile vs us would be if they did a long term deal with MIA and decided on 1 continent each. That is more likely to happen if they join us isn't it?
If the 3-1 scenario is going to happen anyway I, once again, strongly suggest we build lots of naval units so we can block incoming enemies. Have Simpleton pop a harbour asap and then all costals do galleys for sea defence.

 

[Whomp]

The other advantage of blocking the waterways is it restricts lux trades between MIA and TNT if we are in the coastal tiles blocking the route. MIA really wants our wines and we don't need their ivory.

 

[barbu1977]

Hey all, I'm back.

I'm starting to worry about an attack on MIA if we do not have solid peace with D'nuts. We have not declared yet? right?

We need solid peace before declaring.

 

[Daghdha]

We intend to declare within a few turns...

 

[Kickbooti]

Do we have an official D'Nut rep? We need to copy Tubby's CivAssist screen and raise the level of indignation.

If the Nuts don't bite, then they are in on it and we must prepare for the dogpile.

 

[Tubby Rower]

This was sent just a few minutes ago

DS, Robi, & Nobody,

I'm sending this to you guys in case you don't already know about it. This is a screenshot from CivAssist2 take after our last turn. It appears as though the 2 scientific civs are trying to run away from us. TNT is requesting peace and is wanting to grow. MIA is preparing for war with us and has grown significantly in the past 20 or so turns.



I'm not sure what to do about this, but we would like a long-term alliance with the people we fondly refer to as the Nutters. Due to MIA's aggressiveness, we might end up in a war (not our first choice). We hope that this might give you an opportunity to see the MIA and TNT civs for what they are. For you peace might be an option, but it looks like MIA is going to start attacking us soon. MIA has went behind our back before and they have screwed us once again.

Tubby of the Kissers

 

[Tubby Rower]

I realized that that screenshot might have spoiler info since S'nut is at war with TNT. So I sent another PM requesting (in the title and mesage) that the other message not be opened and warned of spoiler info.

I shot this message off to GA & RM for approval before it's sent out again.

GA & RM,

Can you verify that there is no spoiler information in this PM. I unknowingly sent a PM to the D'nut team that could possibly have spoiler info in it and then realized that it might have been spoilerish so I sent another PM requesting that the other one be deleted and that I'll send a scrubbed version.

Here is my PM that I'd like to send. Here is a link to the originial PM that I sent for reference.

Thanks,
Tubby

DS, Robi, & Nobody,

I'm sending this to you guys in case you don't already know about it. This is a screenshot from CivAssist2 take after our last turn. It appears as though the 2 scientific civs are trying to run away from us. TNT is requesting peace and is wanting to grow. MIA is preparing for war with us and has grown significantly in the past 20 or so turns.

MIA has traded a significant amount of techs to TNT for construction. They are both in the Middle Ages now and both have received their free tech.

I'm not sure what to do about this, but we would like a long-term alliance with the people we fondly refer to as the Nutters. Due to MIA's aggressiveness, we might end up in a war (not our first choice). We hope that this might give you an opportunity to see the MIA and TNT civs for what they are. For you peace might be an option, but it looks like MIA is going to start attacking us soon. MIA has went behind our back before and they have screwed us once again.

Tubby of the Kissers

 

[Daghdha]

Sending info to Nutters about the co-op between MIA-TNT was the very rightest thing to do Tubby, well done . Of course spoiler stuff should be out, but telling Nuts about the rep-constr. trade in plain text should be ok, right?

 

[gmaharriet]

Of course spoiler stuff should be out, but telling Nuts about the rep-constr. trade in plain text should be ok, right?

After all, we do have an embassy with them. Therefore verbal (written) discussion of what we know should be a part of diplomacy. That would certainly be done in the real world however slanted the info might be when presented to the other country.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Ok Both Regent and Ginger said that the screen shot was ok even though in the last PM I sent to Robi, DS, & Nobody didn't have it in there