Diplo for MIA

[Tubby Rower]

I definately don't think that we should give away all of the spices but I see no reason to hoard them all either. At least not yet. The dyes are all ours and the spices we can share.

So far we definately have....Wines, dyes, furs, spices, incense, and maybe can grab a grey big-eater. That's all we really need. Spices aren't crucial for us but they are for MIA.

I'm all for green power but at some point we have to start differentiating between the light and dark. The dark side always wins

 

[Daghdha]

From the beginning of this partnership w MIA I've said that almost anything goes beside them trying to restrict our settling. I fully agree with Slinger that allowing them to have one of those spices is a very generous offer. They have no reason to complain about this and if they do my ears will be shut off. I say we go for getting all we can but we should of course offer MIA a good deal as soon as the goodies are roaded. There is zip in our agreement on where to settle.

 

[Tubby Rower]

fe's conversation tonight. btw, KC Venters is me...

fe3333au (5:31:13 PM): Hi
KC Venters (6:11:52 PM): you still there?
fe3333au (6:12:05 PM): yes
KC Venters (6:12:14 PM): I just got back from dinner
KC Venters (6:12:21 PM): what's up?
fe3333au (6:12:22 PM): I must clear the air between MIA and KISS
KC Venters (6:12:42 PM): I thought that we did that last night
fe3333au (6:12:48 PM): I was under the impression that there was only one source of dye and spice
fe3333au (6:13:13 PM): and therefore that is why I came across as heavy as I did
KC Venters (6:13:26 PM): that's understandable
fe3333au (6:13:57 PM): We feel that if MIA are left one source of dye and spice ... KISS deserve to get the others due to your settlement out strategizing us
KC Venters (6:14:40 PM): how about we settle the northern spices and you guys get the southern ones?
fe3333au (6:14:42 PM): And we would also like to send accolades to you and Whomp for keeping cool
fe3333au (6:15:13 PM): I will leave the details to you to work out ... we only need one of each ;-)
KC Venters (6:15:20 PM): Our city on the dyes has already covered 3 of the dyes and we will refrain from building culture in it
fe3333au (6:15:30 PM): thankyou

KC Venters (6:16:30 PM): If we weren't as good of friends with MIA then culture would already be built in the dye town ;-)

fe3333au (6:17:02 PM): Thankyou sir ... I will take this back to the team

fe3333au (6:18:11 PM): anyway ... guess you are busy digesting ... good meal?
KC Venters (6:18:29 PM): yes... nice pasta dinner from Olive Garden
KC Venters (6:18:44 PM): Sausage and Peppers Rustica
KC Venters (6:19:01 PM): with raspberry cheesecake for dessert
fe3333au (6:19:08 PM): yummm !!!
fe3333au (6:19:37 PM): Civ IV seems to be slowing things down ... you like the game?
KC Venters (6:19:48 PM): yes it's very different though
fe3333au (6:20:50 PM): I need DVD Drivera and probably video card to play it :-(
KC Venters (6:21:06 PM): DVD-ROM I don't think is necessary.
KC Venters (6:21:13 PM): It comes on 2 CD-ROms
fe3333au (6:21:16 PM): CD version not released in Australia >
KC Venters (6:21:35 PM): the video card is a problem a lot of people are having
KC Venters (6:21:41 PM): I have to run....
fe3333au (6:21:47 PM): cya and thanks
KC Venters (6:21:47 PM): I'll talk to you later
KC Venters (6:21:52 PM): no problem

 

[Kickbooti]

All Hail POTKISS and NCIC (number cruncher in cheif).



Their diplomatic prowess and level-headedness under fire has averted a too early war. With the kind of moves they have demonstrated, I will expect MIA to throw the game so they can bask in the glow of our mojo as refugees.

 

[Daghdha]

I've checked with Ginger and it's ok to sell an embassy screenie to MIA so I thought we might wanna get some dough for Bede's efforts. The cost was 55g's for Iro and 50 g's for Persia, i.e. 105 g's. Does anyone object against me offering them our 2 shots for 50 g's?

 

[barbu1977]

I think never thought we could get that mutch for 2 screenies.

Go for it.

 

[gmaharriet]

I think that's a great idea to get some of our gold back. It might also open the door to buying discounted City info later if MIA establishes embassies.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

50g for two screenies?

 

[barbslinger]

50g for two screenies?

Concur - thats a gonga nighbor! Were the embassies evn that much?

 

[Daghdha]

Were the embassies evn that much?

I opened bede's save just to establish embassies and, yes, 105 g's all in all.

 

[Rik Meleet]

lurker's comment: I think it is wise to wait with playing till Ginger and/or Regent have decided on the "screenshots allowed to trade before Navigation" issue.

 

[Whomp]

MIA traded CB, WC and wheel for maths from TNT then got HBR from Donut for maths. It may be time to pull off the big deal with MIA for republic (in the other two teams eyes).

Spoiler :

fe3333au: Hey whomp
bawhomp: Hi Werndog
fe3333au: oops Robi calluing
bawhomp: oh nice
fe3333au: He said lucky for us to get Maths
fe3333au: I told him the source
fe3333au: honesty best policy ... in certyain things but not Green Allience ... that is always secret ;-)
bawhomp: cool so you did the trade
bawhomp: we are working on mming to get republic even faster
fe3333au: yes ... gee your internal mail needs looking at
fe3333au: 18 turns
fe3333au: Bernie are you saying you didn't know about the trade deal between us and Nuts and TNT?
bawhomp: i looked at the email yesterday but it may have been filed
fe3333au: gee ... this is the confusing thing ... I assume when I tell things to Tubby or Daghie it gets passed on ... Skippy I assume otherwise ;-)
fe3333au: So sorry if you think MIA is not being open
bawhomp: not at all
bawhomp: it doesn't seem they've posted the discussion...hmmm...
bawhomp: ok i see something about you having maths now
fe3333au: good I was beginning to worry
bawhomp: They didn't post the conversation but I see that you have it
fe3333au: ok ... we purchased Maths for WC, CB and Wheel ... + 12gp
bawhomp: ok i don't see the email
fe3333au: then swapped HBR for Maths with Nuts
bawhomp: nice
fe3333au: no e-mail ... was chat
bawhomp: ok
bawhomp: they didn't post...grrr
bawhomp: so now we can tell them we traded these techs for republic
fe3333au: Did Tubby post our chat which resulted in Republic from 30 to 20 turns
fe3333au: ?
bawhomp: he told me about that
fe3333au: I liked that one ... the fishing was good made me LOL
fe3333au: From research level is set in stone ... to ok ok ok we can do in 20 :-D:-D:-D
bawhomp: it wasn't making a difference on time at first but now we can increase it
bawhomp: in fact i think i figured out how to go even faster in a turn or two
fe3333au: cool ... Maps is a big incentive isn't it ;-)
bawhomp: yes it is
fe3333au: You guys with the go slow research jeesh
bawhomp: it wasn't any difference early
fe3333au: I must catch a us cya
bawhomp: ok bye Werner have a good day
fe3333au: did you see pictures?
bawhomp: i did!
bawhomp: you work the lines at the pub
fe3333au: kool talk later I must NOT miss bus :-D:-D:-D
fe3333au: no just helping out
bawhomp: ok cya

 

[Daghdha]

I have searched some for our printed deals with MIA but I can only find old stuff that is somewhat outdated in the light of the tech trading that has taken place. Maybe we should update our tech deal with MIA now that republic is coming closer? Are we expecting to get all of MIA's techs for Rep. and in that case are they aware of that and willing to put that on paper?

 

[Whomp]

I will ask Irongold to confirm and if we ever put it in writing.

 

[Daghdha]

Had a chat with fe where we briefly covered the big deal, further research, wonders and barbies. It's time to renew the deal with MIA within the turns to rep.

Spoiler :

BIG DEAL
sixpackholiday: I was thinking MIA and KISS maybe should update their inked
dealings?
fe3333au: yes ... go on
sixpackholiday: i only found some real old ones that isn't in phase with the
latest trading that has taken place
fe3333au: yes ... something about the current scenario?
sixpackholiday: i have no specific plan to offer, just the thought that it might
be time to work something out
sixpackholiday: exactly
fe3333au: What topic would you like it to cover
fe3333au: *topics
sixpackholiday: i have just now suggested that in our forum
sixpackholiday: not sure but what is understood by the Big Deal for instance
sixpackholiday: the trade for rep
fe3333au: Yes we give Lit, MM, Maths
fe3333au: maybe adding HBR
fe3333au: we got to look at the numbers
sixpackholiday: ok, so basically we get from you what adds up to the cost for
rep
fe3333au: what did you think?
sixpackholiday: my thoughts were those, but i was not 100% and some water has
passed under the bridges since we first dicussed this
fe3333au: Yes ... and we also already gave you Masonry
fe3333au: So I'm confused at HBR since we traded that and without giving you HBR
we will end up trading even 42 each
sixpackholiday: yes, that's the kind of questionmark that has to be straightened
out
fe3333au: We could swap it to you for the Embassy Photos ??
sixpackholiday: and by taking on rep we have minimized the already slim chanse
of getting a sgl
sixpackholiday: that's an idea of course

ON WONDERS
sixpackholiday: are you chopping again?
fe3333au: Pyramid?
sixpackholiday: yup
sixpackholiday: that's an ugly pop up
fe3333au: no ... very slow production ... just pschological warfare
sixpackholiday: looool
fe3333au: You mean city name is ugly?
sixpackholiday: no, heh, the thought of someone doing the mids
sixpackholiday: although i didn't expect you to build it in that city
sixpackholiday: do we have any gareement on wonder builds?
fe3333au: No
sixpackholiday: do you think we should have?
fe3333au: only to discuss ... cos you can't really hide it
sixpackholiday: a palace pre build would be hidden
fe3333au: yes ... it would
fe3333au: I think nothing needs to be writen .. cos we talk about it anyway ...
what you think?
sixpackholiday: well, i think you're right

ON SLOW RESEARCH
fe3333au: One thing I thought about ... we should have add aclasue about time
taken to research
fe3333au: *a clause
sixpackholiday: the dreaded slow burn?
fe3333au: and perhaps to make it fun ... if you are late cost 1 gold per turn ??
... what you think
sixpackholiday: you feel we have been lazy on rep?
fe3333au: Yes the unexpected slow burn
sixpackholiday: aha
fe3333au: Well you could have had Map Making by now
sixpackholiday: i really don't remember exactly but i think we were quite open
about going slow
fe3333au: no news to me ... was sure it was faster when I asked many turns ago
fe3333au: was it always slow or did you make it slow halfway through
sixpackholiday: but for future deals, yes, a speed limit might be considered
fe3333au: I'd actually put a clause in there with late fee ... so you quote 2
turns more
fe3333au: the 2 more just incase there is an accident like barbarians or plague
sixpackholiday: well, that's up to the "buissness" delivering i guess
sixpackholiday: but i will pass on your suggestion
fe3333au: Wew don't have to ... but could be fun
sixpackholiday: fun and maybe fair

RESEARCH NEXT?
fe3333au: We could also talk about what to research next
sixpackholiday: yes, ther's some work to do
sixpackholiday: let's see: construct...er... poly
fe3333au: PM your rough drafts to me ... and I will to you
sixpackholiday: currency
sixpackholiday: i will put the research dpt on the job
fe3333au: we still have 17 turns to finalise all that ... yes?
sixpackholiday: about 17 yes
sixpackholiday: one thing that could maybe speed things up is building a harbour
and trade luxes?
fe3333au: Yes we will be ready for you when you build one
sixpackholiday: can't without MM
fe3333au: looking forward to it
fe3333au: yes better hurry the Republic then eh mate LOL
sixpackholiday: i think of a novel by J.Heller here lol
fe3333au: don't know ... but don't tell me yet ... maybe a team mate will
understand reference
fe3333au: Off top of my head ... you do construction and us currancy
sixpackholiday: i'm too backwards when it comes to beakers...
sixpackholiday: i'm sure we will work something out the satisfies both teams

BARBIES
fe3333au: I'm sure we will ... how are you coping with the barbs ... been
hastled yet ... we have
fe3333au: *hassled
fe3333au: We have been attacked on land and sea ... how are you guys?
fe3333au: ? still there mat?
fe3333au: *Mate
sixpackholiday: sorry, got phonecall
fe3333au: no worries
sixpackholiday: barbs has approched, we wcked 'em
sixpackholiday: a horse
fe3333au: ****
sixpackholiday: will have to deal with them more roughly soon
fe3333au: we sunk a barb galley with a curragh ... the Trusty Guppy got a medal
sixpackholiday: send some redheads out
fe3333au: yes jump on them
sixpackholiday: congrats!

 

[Whomp]

That's not the way I see it. We intentionally didn't make trades because we didn't want to give republic to the other teams. If MIA was in our position then they would be short techs. Also remember we gave them CoL and philo and...what else CB and myst? We can easily trade republic to the others if MIA doesn't trade us all techs. Daghie you're right we need something in writing soon.

As far as the slow burn goes I don't think max research would've made much of a difference other than 4-5 turns. I don't have the empirical data to prove it but my recollection was max and min were virtually no different at the beginning. As far as teching goes I don't think they can out tech us.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I didn't like fe's response to the wonder question (well to anything to be honest). I think that they are setting themselves up to be able to attack for "good" reasons.

Did we complain about them being late earlier on our first deal? They were something like 5 turns late.

The wonder bit, I think that they are planning a build of some sort of wonder soon. Not sure which one they are planning for but they are definately trying to get one very soon.

I more I think of this I think that we need a pact with D'nut or even (gulp) TNT so that we can still have a trading party every now and then. MIA has shown nothing but distrust since the day we met. Now their distrust has worn off on me. I think that we should trade Republic only with D'nut if we don't have anything in writing with MIA and they don't want to give us everything.

 

[gmaharriet]

I suspect that being so far ahead in score is having an affect on our green partners (and likely the other teams as well). If it seems to them that we may run away with the game, they may be having second thoughts about how much help they want to give us...even if it means a betrayal. Our lead in score is pretty impressive.

 

[Whomp]

I will straighten this out. The discussion with Daghie doesn't sit well with me. As far as I'm concerned if MIA doesn't give us all their techs then we will trade republic freely. I'm assuming this will not be an issue....grrrr

 

[Kickbooti]

I think we need to increase our GS production. Trust but verify and all that jazz...