Diplo for MIA

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

I think the civilopedia text is "by then, saltpeter is in abundance and you no longer need a source fot it" - that is for rifles, however cavalries obviously take a much greater amount of gunpowder to work as they require salt even after nationalism ...

 

[Sir Bugsy]

The war plan for MIA is pretty simple. Given their city layout they will make it very easy to rip through them if we can crack the first layer. We will want to concentrate about 50% of our cannon in the center of the line along with the majority of our cavs. Step one, move a cannon stack next to an MIA city along with a boat load of cavs and defenders. Step two, bombard, attack and capture city one. From there we can use our three move cavs to strike into the heart of MIA.

We will want to coordinate such an attack with an Nutters amphibious landing on either the SE or SW coast. I would recommend the SE for easier logistics.

 

[BCLG100]

The nutters perhaps wouldnt be too happy with this but they should land and attack first, MIA could divert a lot of troops south and it wouldnt matter to the nutters as much if they lost units as the majority of their cities wouldnt be in danger.

 

[Whomp]

I think gifting Donut a city on our west coast for ship chaining makes a ton of sense.

 

[jb1964]

The nutters perhaps wouldnt be too happy with this but they should land and attack first, MIA could divert a lot of troops south and it wouldnt matter to the nutters as much if they lost units as the majority of their cities wouldnt be in danger.

True, but the war will be on us prior to turn 177. The threat of such action might be good enough. MIA already thinks the Nuts are dishonorable.

Than again, as the point has already been made, if they have a rail net up it matters little.

 

[Sir Bugsy]

I'm sure they have a rail net up or at least started. We need to ink a deal with the Nutters really quick, otherwise I don't think we should give them anything else. I get the feeling they are going to back out on us.

 

[Whomp]

Mostly idle chit chat but here's some stuff with Irongold. I mentioned a little 5 turner peace deal.

Spoiler :

bawhomp (6:02:18 PM): Hi Good friend
fe3333au (6:02:28 PM): hello
fe3333au (6:02:44 PM): good to chat ... I've been distracted
fe3333au (6:03:00 PM): in the most wonderfull of ways
bawhomp (6:03:48 PM): things are good hehe
bawhomp (6:03:59 PM): i've been meaning to respond to your peace thing
fe3333au (6:04:07 PM): ok
bawhomp (6:04:29 PM): we should just agree to extend for 5 turns until we can come up with details over those 5
fe3333au (6:05:05 PM): hmmm ... I'd have to get the team's input of course
bawhomp (6:05:12 PM): ok
bawhomp (6:05:37 PM): i thought you guys wanted peace but no probs if you want to leave it open
fe3333au (6:05:45 PM): so what is KISS' take on the rapid Nut expansion?
fe3333au (6:06:01 PM): we are peacefull ... but team decision
bawhomp (6:06:30 PM): well there's a lot of land to cover on battle island now
bawhomp (6:06:55 PM): we are packing it in
bawhomp (6:07:00 PM): cities
fe3333au (6:07:17 PM): might be a good base of operations vs Nuts
fe3333au (6:07:26 PM): are you on good terms?
bawhomp (6:08:20 PM): we're working on a land division
fe3333au (6:08:47 PM): using our method to plot the boundary?
fe3333au (6:09:02 PM): 'our' as in you and us LOL
bawhomp (6:09:29 PM): this one is a little easier for some reason lol
bawhomp (6:09:49 PM): they've got a lot of land to develop though
bawhomp (6:10:05 PM): we have most of the developed part of TNT
fe3333au (6:10:12 PM): did they leave you much irrigation and roads?
bawhomp (6:10:18 PM): yep
fe3333au (6:20:51 PM): I am posting a quick note on extending peace 5 turns ... just incase someone pops in before I post full chat
bawhomp (6:21:39 PM): ok we got your note and figured we spit on our hands for 5 and see how we want to proceed
fe3333au (6:23:24 PM): you will have an answer next go ... since been out of loop for about 2 turns ... they are cycling pretty fast and will need input from others
fe3333au (6:24:31 PM): I'm frustrated about not being able to really get into game at g/f's ... but the benefits are very good
bawhomp (6:24:54 PM): i know now it's really moving
fe3333au (6:25:20 PM): killer is a good player ... but not so good diplomatically
fe3333au (6:25:31 PM): you found that?
bawhomp (6:26:53 PM): killercane is a very good player and a attorney
fe3333au (6:27:08 PM): yes ... that spun me out LOL
bawhomp (9:23:05 PM): not sure how they were getting iron from you
bawhomp (9:23:10 PM): can't figure that out
fe3333au (9:23:17 PM): ha ha ... didn't I say you couldn't trust them
fe3333au (9:23:53 PM): If you ask killer they either won't reply or be very abrupt
bawhomp (9:24:17 PM): he's a tough player
bawhomp (9:24:27 PM): big HOF #'s
bawhomp (9:24:33 PM): and then there's cham
bawhomp (9:24:35 PM): wow
bawhomp (9:24:38 PM): scary good
fe3333au (9:25:35 PM): lol ... just made coffee ... I have another save to look at ... glad I went home today
bawhomp (9:26:33 PM): hehe
bawhomp (10:01:57 PM): night Werner
bawhomp (10:02:07 PM): have a good day friend

 

[Tubby Rower]

bawhomp (9:23:05 PM): not sure how they were getting iron from you
bawhomp (9:23:10 PM): can't figure that out
fe3333au (9:23:17 PM): ha ha ... didn't I say you couldn't trust them

I think that you caught him here. Since D'nut and us were at war with TNT, we couldn't have traded iron to them. The didn't have any iron in their cultural boundries, so either they had a colony somewhere that we didn't find or they were given iron from MIA.

 

[jb1964]

So, does future diplomacy involve a white flag?

 

[Tubby Rower]

or maybe I should request Rik to close this thread

 

[BCLG100]

tubs what you mean in your post before last? i didnt get it.

 

[Tubby Rower]

it was about you guys having iron while you just had your capital.

We cut all of your iron (or so we thought) and we and D'nuts were at war with you. So it is our premise that MIA was gifting (selling) you iron trying to keep us busy. In Whomp's conversation with fe, they were referring to fe's accusation that RobiD was lying in a global thread about sending you iron.


to be honest, I'm not following this either. So just ignore that bit

 

[Daghdha]

Just to broaden our minds, would it be to our advantage to roll over and ask MIA for peace? I know our frustration over the attack tells us otherwise, but let's look at all the options anyway. What would we be prepared to offer?

 

[Whomp]

I would leave it open ended and ask them what they'll offer.

Because if they don't we should make it our objective to make them as miserable as TNT made us.

 

[BCLG100]

I would leave it open ended and ask them what they'll offer.

Because if they don't we should make it our objective to make them as miserable as TNT made us.

and here we not only have me to make it miserable for them but a bunch of idiots

 

[Daghdha]

MIA seems satisfied with their campaign and offers peace. I see no reason not to accept since we won't be ready to counter within 20 turns anyway. I love them offering some salt so we "can defend ourselves properly". Do they feel omnipotent (uber-cocky to you AK) or what???
Let's make peace, asking for something else than salt, then start planning revenge with Bakery Boys. I've sent a brief reply that we will consider their generous offer.

Side note: The numbers dpt may find that we gain more from having WH, than we do accepting peace. In that case...fight on.

Spoiler :

To the Government of KISS

Since we have unexpectedly taken full control of the Continent and also honoured the 'deflowering of the innocents' incident we would like to offer peace as discussed with the great Whomp in a recent diplomatic tete-a-tete.

We offer the ending of hostilities and also at no cost offer a supply of saltpeter so that you may defend yourselves adequately against your neighbours the ever expanding Nutters.

What say you?

As a show of good faith, we will not attack any of your units on the Green Continent while we wait for your response. Unless, of course, the units move, pillage, attack, or otherwise prove to be an annoyance to us. We are willing to allow them to be transported back to your new homeland, along a path that MIA determines, if you accept our peace proposal.

Regards

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister

 

[Tubby Rower]

I think that we need to stay at war with them. Drag out negotiations. How much WW could they have.

The rules state that we have to make concerted effort to continue to make war. And we are, just not very effective since our entire core is now gone.

 

[grahamiam]

since we have less than 1% chance of winning this now, I'd suggest that we consult with donuts and perhaps accept peace with the clause that an attack vs donuts means an attack against us. We don't want to sign peace for 20 only to see MIA attack donuts in 10 and wrap up the game.

 

[BCLG100]

i agree with graham i think thats the whole point in this peace treaty.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Why would they offer a peace treaty? I doubt that they want to drag this game to the Modern Ages to get their precious space race.