Diplo for TNT

Are we even allowed to send pics like tha? I loe the idea though. It may PO them jus enough to make hm ha us though!!!
 
It is legal to send a embassy picture according to Fe and Tubby.

OK here's the plan. Some would say it's extortion....I say it's really just good b'ness.
We give them till our turn 63 to decide what they want us to do with their embassy picture. If they agree then send masonry on turn 64. If they don't well....(MIA sends us Masonry giving TNT the impression we sent the picture to Donut). :evil:

Can someone send a message on this.

Here's a little ditty someone can fix up since I tend towards harshness and forward while I'm out of town...

Hello Grand Vizer, (or whatever Donsig's called)
We ask you what is a picture worth? We have built an embassy in your newly built palace in Dancing Nana. Our ambassador was thrilled you gave him access to all the ivory and incense your great country has to offer. We kindly ask you to forward masonry to us so we can keep this information to ourself and only ourself. We will register this agreement to keep this information to ourself and only ourself in the U.N. once you return our request before we play turn 63.

Can someone clean this up please?

BTW I don't think they are aware we built this embassy. Is that PBEM specific? Maybe it's similar to how we don't get notification on Wonders (fyi colossus at MIA is a forest chop).
 
Um, aren't we just going to promise not to send it to Dnuts? I thought we were going to sell it to MIA, so we'd have to be careful how we word the promise.
 
Yeah yeah. I modified and it probably needs more modifying since I don't quite wax poetic. Help!

OK hold off on this for a bit. I noticed Bede established the embassies on turn 60 but on turn 61 they are not established and there's plenty of cash. I've pm'd RegentMan and Ginger Ale to make they're aware since it looks like something is wrong.
 
This is pretty weak. If someone wants to see some of my better lyrics, I'll share. This won't be going anywhere.

Hello Grand Vizer
Or brassiere?
Who can say what a picture is worth.
A thousand words, a thousand krona
For we’ve had a look inside the Banana
How might you ask can we see?
Why by looking out the window
Of our new embassy
In exchange for the skills
Of laying brick on brick
We’ll keep our knowledge to ourselves
And not share how many shields
You make on each tile
With the cake eaters of Springfield
If before turn sixty three
The gift of masonry we see.
 
According to Daghdha in this post GA has already given approval. I'll check again.
 
According to Admins it is. Please view my correspondence w Ginger Ale in the spoiler.
Spoiler :
Originally Posted by Daghdha
Hi Ginger, as you can see we, KISS, have now opened some embassies in the MTDG. I wonder if it would be ok to sell a screenshot to our allies MIA? They have writing too so they could do it but it would be a waste if we both can have 'em for half the price .

Best
Dagh


Hi Daghdha,

First the pertinent rule:


Quote:
1.6 - Invalid Map Trading

Description: No team or individual is permitted to barter, gift, or otherwise trade any sort of map, whether it be a screen shot, minimap, hand drawing, or any other 'picture' of the in-game map, mini-map, or embassy screenshot before the requisite tech is discovered. Verbal/text descriptions are allowed, but coordinates are not.

Definition: A team creating screen shots, drawings, or other depictions of any part of the in-game map before the requisite tech has been discovered.

Purpose: To prevent the use of outside game elements to break the spirit of the game by allowing maps to be traded before they are allowed in-game.

Verdict: Using this exploit or any other exploit that allows any map trading before the tech is discovered through any means is a violation of this rule.

Punishment Level: Once – Orange (1-5 Turns), Repeat Offense - Red (2-20 Turns)


Clearly the way I interpret it is you are free to do this once you have the requisite tech - this is where it gets a bit more complicated, but not much.

Embassies can be established with Writing. Maps can be traded with Navigation. When you establish embassies, you get a piece of a map (albeit tiny). However, any other team could get this by establishing an embassy too. So if you sell them just the embassy screen you saw that they could do themselves by establishing one themselves (obviously they have the required tech), then you are fine.

In short: yes, that is legal. I've also forwarded RegentMan a copy of this in case he has any comments, but you are fine.


edit: Ooops, teamwork :D
 
So my interpretation of GA's comments are that we can trade JUST the city screenshots to MIA & D'nut but not to TNT (they don't have writing yet).

I would go so far to black out any portion of the map that is beyond the cities 21- tile radius since we won't know what they have already discovered. I think that thyat would be the safest way to go about this.
 
We can not trade city screens with TNT but I assume we can still tell TNT we won't trade our knowledge to others(who do have the knowledge) if they give masonry.

I think we should send a message (Bugs') right now to TNT asking for masonry knowledge for maintaining our silence on their capital. Let them know they have till our turn 64 to let us know what they want to do. On turn 65 we have MIA send masonry (if TNT doesn't agree to our terms). Someone should relay this info to Fe3333au so MIA doesn't send masonry on turn 64 like we originally planned.
 
The reply from the Masonry for not selling d'nut their embassy screen
Dear Sirs,

I am sorry to inform you that we do not wish to accept your recent trade *offer*. Tell the cake eaters what ever you want, we do not care.

If you truly want to learn the skills of laying brick on brick from us we will teach you if in return you teach us how to draw sounds. Writing for masonry, straight up.

donsig
Grand Vizeer of the Ironic People

I guess that means that we need MIA to send Masonry this turn
 
OK I sent Fe a request to send masonry this turn.
 
I'm assuming that this is a request for a trade Math for Writing.

I'm not sure what to do. On one hand I'd like to do this just to give them some ammo to keep the war going. but Writing doesn't give them anything but peacetime stuff. And we are supposed to get MM from MIA soon I guess.

They are getting more creative (+2 culture in every city) . Oh wait that's only [civ4] ;)
donsig in Gmail communique said:
We can teach you numbers to crunch
But we're an illiterate bunch
So let's make a deal,
we'll throw in a wheel
and then we'll have doughnuts for lunch!

donsig
Grand Vizeer and poet laureate of the Ironic People
 
We should discuss with MIA whether they think we should do it. Then it won't look totally obvious that we are in kahoots with MIA. It also gives the perception that we want to establish some type of (alleged) good will with TNT. :evil: What are the beaker values for each?

THEN...it may be time to pull off the "deal of the century" with MIA.
All their techs for Republic. What are they up now? HBR, map making, Maths and eventually lit.
 
Definetly discuss with MIA before we do a (non)deal. Personally I don't see any value in their proposal although I like them showing a glimpse of humour. Now they have a Poet With Ears :D .
I say we stay way cool until the Big Deal but a friendly/witty reply would be in order. Nice behaviour should be encouraged. What I wonder is why they're so eager to get Writing?
 
MIA didn't let us know about their big deal with MAth did they? I heard of it a couple of days afterward from Whomp.

If they didn't let us know about their deal, I don't see any need to let them know about this one until after the fact.

The beaker cost is the same I believe. both are 240 for initial research and both have 3 civs that know the tech.

My feelings are that we should go ahead with this deal. can't explain it but I think that we should. Also a prebuild for GL might also be in order.

Are we planning on using our GS? if so against whom. better respond in the Military thread.
 
Let's be upfront with MIA. According to Irongold he told us of the deal. If they don't have an alternative way of getting maths then I say we do the deal too. I'd like to give TNT the impression we are friendly.
 
Math is known byu MIA, D'nut, & TNT. that was part of MIA's big deal a few turns back. I think that they traded TNT for MAth then gave it to D'nut or vice versa
 
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