Diplo for TNT

[gmaharriet]

I thought MIA was going to give us techs as they discovered them, rather than waiting until we finished Republic. If they aren't doing that, I see no harm in making trades with other civs, but we should let MIA know what we're doing.

 

[Daghdha]

I'm the one to blame for not passing on info about MIA's Math deal. They got it from TNT, then sold it to Nutters and Ironpyro told me about their intentions. I got the impression he had also talked with our much beloved Potkiss about it so didn't bother to post. My bad.
I've chatted w fe about TNT's proposal and MIA says "Your call" which of course it is in the end. I'm not too eager to be friends with TNT because our initial plan (Bootsy's?) on making one friend each is going down the drain here and I liked it very much. Now both we and MIA are dealing with TNT as well as Nuts. I'd prefer KISS<-->Nuts & MIA<-->TNT but maybe that is a dead option. TNT prolly wants Writing because they're getting close to finishing the pre build on GLib and they don't wanna wast shields. Why should we meet the needs of the team we reacently thought so bad about? Have they done something to help us? Didn't they give us the cold hand when they thought they could smash Nuts to pieces? Note that they've asked for writing 2 times the last few turns and that they're prolly veeeery keen on getting it. Why is that and why should KISS help 'em out? If they were about to lose the fight I'd say Yes, but for now.....No Way if they can't come up with something very good in addition to Math, i.e. loads of gold.

 

[Whomp]

One way to offer writing is that we would do it but they can't build the Glib. Giving them the impression we are.
As well they may tell us they're building it and then we've gained additional intel.

 

[Whomp]

I spoke with Fe3333au (aka Irongold) and he thinks trading with TNT makes sense. Writing for maths. My suggestion is this...
We offer the trade but say we will not build the GLib if they will not build the Glib. If they don't not agree then we know they are building it. If they do agree we gain knowledge in this regard.

As a counteroffer if they do not agree we should then ask for more (gold?) with the understanding that they would be compensated dramatically if they built the Glib and we helped them to this. As well, we are the only one they can deal with for writing since MIA has all of TNT's techs.

Thoughts?

 

[Tubby Rower]

I think that plan sounds good. I trust fe but it's the rest of the people I don't trust. All 3 of these teams have been making unexpected (ie: stupid) moves. I'm just a little leary that we'll be left hanging in the end without techs.

 

[Daghdha]

As well, we are the only one they can deal with for writing since MIA has all of TNT's techs.

And I ask myself, why are they in this situation and what will we gain by helping them out? They're stuck in that situation because they have made the wrong moves. We can get some gold and maybe info on whether they are pre building the GLib or not. I think that is poor payment. I don't trust them a bit and whatever they say about building or not I think it will be BS. The only acceptable deal would be writing for math+gold+info on where the pre build is located. We could then use the gold to investigate that city. If they say "we do not pre build" I say they're lying their tounges out and, i.e. No Deal.

I'm just a little leary that we'll be left hanging in the end without techs.

I wouldn't rely on TNT to be the ones to help us out in that department. I can't see how MIA would refuse to do the big deal and instead research rep on their own...

 

[Whomp]

If they agree to not build the GLib then it's filed in the U.N. If they back out of any agreement then, in their minds, they are guaranteed another enemy. They need more friends (allegedly us and MIA) than enemies.

As far as MIA goes I don't think they will back out because of republic. However, Chamnix is a very skilled civ player (#8 in GOTM Global Rankings) and one to be deeply concerned about. The eventual showdown between him and our guys will be a treat to watch.

 

[Daghdha]

The only acceptable deal would be writing for math+gold+info on where the pre build is located.

Oh, they might have an early SGL lurking about, can't they?
About them needing friends I agree, but I would like MIA to be their "friend" and us to be Nutters "friend". Then again, MIA did deal with Nuts even if fe said he rather see them dead. Anyway, I'm hoping for more Kissers to have their say on this matter. Let's not make a haste decision either way. What I do think we should do is to send a reply to TNT saying we're concidering their offer. They threw it in our (my) face on last turn and I didn't like that. I suspect they were hoping for someone to misclick and accept the offer throwing writing in.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Should we start just accepting it and hope that they misclick?

 

[Daghdha]

Should we start just accepting it and hope that they misclick?

Well, I did consider that opportunity... . Really, I think we should send a note saying we're discussing their offer and will be back.

 

[Whomp]

Definitely send a note. I would ask them in that note if we do offer writing whether they plan to build the GLib if we give them writing. The reason we ask is we are the only ones who can help them accomplish this.

 

[Kickbooti]

I've been more or less out of it the past month (my apologies). Between real life schedules and Civ IV, I think things have gotten mixed.

Are the green people still committed to playing puppet master on the other continent or have we just decided to dispatch with TNT and then go from there?

It does seem that MIA and D'Nuts relationship have changed. I'm not oppossed to sticking our hand up TNT's keester to be puppet master, but since they will, by default, be the first team out, I am nervous about being without an 'ally.'

Maybe one of you who talks with Fe regularly could try to clarify mid/long range goals.

I'm just curious.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I don't think so Booti. MIA is thinking that they can take advantage of us. I personally think that we should start befriending TNT or D'nut and drift away from MIA.

This was in the Mailbox this morning... I guess donsig didn't like my offer

Greetings!

Thank you for your recent offer of mysticism for math. I am sorry that I cannot accept it at this time. Since we had no advance knowledge of your offer my people have had no time to discuss it and I cannot take it upon myself to make such a momentous decision. My people will talk over your offer and we will let you know our decision by next turn.

I can tell you that we have had some discussion on this matter already and I do know that we would take writing or both mysticism and horseback riding (if, of course, your people possess the latter secrets). We never discussed trading math for either mysticism or horseback riding alone.

If you are willing to change your offer next turn to give us either (writing) or (mysticism and horseback riding) I can assure it is within my power to accept such a deal. Otherwise we can haggle a bit more.

donsig
Grand Vizeer of the Ironic People

 

[Whomp]

I'll say it again. What do you think about sending writing for maths but under the caveat that neither of us build the Great Library?

 

[Tubby Rower]

I'm fine with it if they do build the GL. It's just that if they do build it we need to have an agreement that they'll only trade techs with us.

 

[gmaharriet]

I'm fine with it if they do build the GL. It's just that if they do build it we need to have an agreement that they'll only trade techs with us.

I'm not sure how effective that would be, since it would mean that we'd be the only ones missing the tech. They'd have no one else to trade with but us.

 

[barbslinger]

Way to think outside the box gma!

 

[Tubby Rower]

wasn't planning on us only trading with TNT

 

[gmaharriet]

wasn't planning on us only trading with TNT

Oh, so you're saying that if they get a tech through the Glib because maybe we and MIA had learned it, they can't trade it to Dnuts? Wow! We'd have to get that written in blood and file it with the admins. I don't trust TNT!

 

[Tubby Rower]

I don't trust any of the teams anymore.... I had a little chat with Robi (D'nut) tonight and posted (will post) the chat in D'nuts thread. I'm spreading some contempt for MIA