Diplomacy and its strange workings

[Killroyan]

I played an OCC last night and was going for a diplomatic win. All was going fine and I had everybody from friendly to pleased so I build the UN expecting that I would get secretary general. Well first of all although I had a city of size 33 you only get 33 votes. I have over twenty million civilians and I get only 33 votes GRRRR. Well learned something new.

Then the voting came in and the strange stuff was happening. Mao was score leader (who just jumped to score leader and I expected him to vote for me too ) and I was the other contender. Now Julius voted for Mao, being +10 to Mao while he was +11 with me (ok he had some negative points with me but still). Napoleon was at +7 with Mao but +9 with me and also voted for Mao. How is this possible? Do some factors count in more like mutual struggle or what? Or is it that when you reach friendly with two civs it doesn't matter wether you are at 10 or 11? Or at pleased it doesn't matter if you are at 7 or 9?

 

[oyzar]

it seems like you dont count negative modifiers... Just be sure to have more total modifiers than the other guy and be sure to have ppl over 8. Check the victory conditions screen for who is your rival.

 

[Michelangelo]

I agree, it can be a bit dissapointing to find everyone not voting for you. But as I understand it, you have a invisible modifier, sort of a extra treshold, for AI to like the haman player. The higher the level the more + points you need to get to the same level as the AI. The important part is if you pleased or friendly. The AI are just quicker at being friendly to each other. IIRC the treshold is 4 for a monarch game.

HTH

 

[Killroyan]

@Oyzar: I counted the total of all modifiers of course, so I was like +15 with ceasar and -4 for a total of 11. And my rival changed from Frederick (hated by everyone) to Mao when Mao discovered Biology, which sucked

@Michelangelo: These are the things I want to know. Napoleon had no negative counters with Mao and I did have some negative counters, but my positive counters were pretty high too with +4 and +3.

 

[Welnic]

Trade biology to Frederick.

 

[KMadCandy]

the score leader isn't always a contender for secretary. whoever on F8 has the most population is. note that the demographics screen and F8 have different formulas calculating population, F8 is the one that matters for UN purposes.

 

[Killroyan]

This is not about solutions (I did trade biology to Frederick) but why certain characters vote for another one even if you have a higher diplomacy score. About F8 and the contender, that is a good one. I forgot about that.

 

[cabert]

This is not about solutions (I did trade biology to Frederick) but why certain characters vote for another one even if you have a higher diplomacy score. About F8 and the contender, that is a good one. I forgot about that.

you didn't correctly check the scores.
You must add the pluses and minuses.
Then there are some hidden modifiers (like warmonger respect, which makes warmongers friendly one to another to begin with)