Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
WE could also ask for an extension but I'd rather not do that
Diplomatic Relations
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Daghdha
Absent Minded
A chat I had w fe regarding the possible protection of Igno:
Here's a draft on the "returned favour"- part of this possible deal, please comment:
Edit: fe3333 has suggested we swap lists with info on team members (MSN and AIM). Whaddya say?
Spoiler :
Here's a draft on the "returned favour"- part of this possible deal, please comment:
Spoiler :
and generally a good time together. We are now wondering if You would be so kind as to assign said warrior to some patroling in the eastern area of that village. He can walk freely on neutral territory, of course, but we ask of him not to pop any possible goody huts. Otherwise we humbly request he slay barbarians left and right, including camps, and report us of any barbarian activities. This assignment will last for as many turns as you feel appropriate in return for our previous favour but no less than 5 turns.Edit: fe3333 has suggested we swap lists with info on team members (MSN and AIM). Whaddya say?
@TR, no extension necessary.
Been pondering Bugsy's notion of aloofness. What do you folks think of just ignoring the contact? Sail into view, open F4 for a picture, then just sail on without sending a note in? Would such an approach indicate strength, or weakness, and can anybody project what TNT might make of it, what their response to our apparent lack of interest might be?
Been pondering Bugsy's notion of aloofness. What do you folks think of just ignoring the contact? Sail into view, open F4 for a picture, then just sail on without sending a note in? Would such an approach indicate strength, or weakness, and can anybody project what TNT might make of it, what their response to our apparent lack of interest might be?
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
I like that.... Wait for them to contact. but then they might think that we have contacted the nuts and don't want to deal at all....
I'm in favor of it
I'm in favor of it
Daghdha
Absent Minded
@Bede
That's in line of what I thought we might do with the addition of a brief mail saying "Hallo! We're Celt sailors. Howzit going?", sort of...and of course containing our navy seal.
Their response to that, me guessing, is that we're idiots and we're doing fine by our own measures. It will give an impression of strength mostly. After that note I expect no more than 1hrs will pass until we get an answer saying they're interested in trading and generally trying to be nosy about where we're at.
That's in line of what I thought we might do with the addition of a brief mail saying "Hallo! We're Celt sailors. Howzit going?", sort of...and of course containing our navy seal.
Their response to that, me guessing, is that we're idiots and we're doing fine by our own measures. It will give an impression of strength mostly. After that note I expect no more than 1hrs will pass until we get an answer saying they're interested in trading and generally trying to be nosy about where we're at.
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
I think a breif note of hello would be best. It acknowledges their existence and puts the ball firmly in thier court. They can respond as humbly/arrogantly as they like, they could simply recipricate our hello and ask nothing and we continue to scout out the territory.
I wouldn't propose ANYTHING. Just keep cruising, gathering intel, looking at screens and letting them know they are not alone. Go from there.
I wouldn't propose ANYTHING. Just keep cruising, gathering intel, looking at screens and letting them know they are not alone. Go from there.
Pentium
Digital Matter
We should say something, and try to maintain a happy attitude. If they won't trade, then we might consider other pissibilities.
Remeber: Speak softly, but carry a big SoD.
Remeber: Speak softly, but carry a big SoD.
Pentium
Digital Matter
Are sold workers listed as slaves? If they are, then D'nuts might have sold one.Whomp said:
soul_warrior
Termite!
i really doubt anyone would sell a worker this soon.Pentium said:
IIRC, they do register as slaves, so it is a possibility.
i would bet on a capture (either via unit action or peace deal)
IroquoisPlisken
Brigadier Idiot
Sold workers do count as slaves, but if the D'nuts were willing to sell a slave this early, they must be in a pretty bad position anyway. (i.e war)
Pentium
Digital Matter
Especially considering their slow expansion, they must be hampered by Immortals.
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
It appears that D'Nuts are on the ropes.
We won't have to make a decision until after TNT's turn, but assuming our read on the situation is correct, what should our approach be?
Should we tell MIA to inform D'Nuts that both KISS and MIA are committed to their continued and strengthened existence. Do we make tech's and cash available? Do we attempt to include them in the warm and 'trusting' relationship we have with MIA (for at least 20 turns)?
Do we stand aloof? Do we let the Nuts go the way of the Dodo? Should we simply concentrate on our relationship with MIA and race to Map Making so that we can encroach on TNT?
My preference is the former, my fear is that the tech's and gold that we give to the Nuts will simply be tribute for TNT.
If MIA doesn't have a tech-wiz like Tubby, then can we have them send us the F-screens so we can make an analysis?
IF the Nuts are willing to continue (which is an open questions in my opinion - who likes to take the time to play a loosing fight) we need a no BS assesment of their situation. MIA needs to find out how many cities, how much military, the size and disposition of TNT's army. Can the Nuts last? What do they need?
I think we may have to work on getting our Navy and Marines ready for continental raiding...
We won't have to make a decision until after TNT's turn, but assuming our read on the situation is correct, what should our approach be?
Should we tell MIA to inform D'Nuts that both KISS and MIA are committed to their continued and strengthened existence. Do we make tech's and cash available? Do we attempt to include them in the warm and 'trusting' relationship we have with MIA (for at least 20 turns)?
Do we stand aloof? Do we let the Nuts go the way of the Dodo? Should we simply concentrate on our relationship with MIA and race to Map Making so that we can encroach on TNT?
My preference is the former, my fear is that the tech's and gold that we give to the Nuts will simply be tribute for TNT.
If MIA doesn't have a tech-wiz like Tubby, then can we have them send us the F-screens so we can make an analysis?
IF the Nuts are willing to continue (which is an open questions in my opinion - who likes to take the time to play a loosing fight) we need a no BS assesment of their situation. MIA needs to find out how many cities, how much military, the size and disposition of TNT's army. Can the Nuts last? What do they need?
I think we may have to work on getting our Navy and Marines ready for continental raiding...
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
I'm fine with letting the Nuts and TNT duke it our as long as they can/want to. The longer they are at war the stronger we will become. It's always fun and at the same time sad to overwhelm a civ that has fallen so far behind that they are fighting tanks with longbows.
I think that we should just focus on us and MIA until the Middle ages. After that we could launch a two front battle against TNT (presuming that they will win over the nutters). Every UU here is made obsolete in the late MA. I think that we could take them in when we reach the mid-MA.
I think that we should just focus on us and MIA until the Middle ages. After that we could launch a two front battle against TNT (presuming that they will win over the nutters). Every UU here is made obsolete in the late MA. I think that we could take them in when we reach the mid-MA.
I'm with Tubby. It's literally too much ground to cover when you have a whole continent to yourself without rails. Their focus will be on warring while ours is on expansion. A war of two against one is not winnable. That is what TNT faces when we can transport units. For TNT to prosecute this war it will still take a long time and we could have 12+ cities (what 40 turns with 1 tile movement?). Most likely Donuts will be gone if they don't upgrade from warriors/spears. Their back is against the wall.
Kickbooti
Ecclesia Militans
Tubby and Whomp make sense - I say let them fight for as long as possible. I guess my question was not just whether that was the end we wanted, but HOW do we acheive that and what are we willing to risk?
For example, if we give the Nutters WC so they can head toward their UU, that is a tech that TNT doesn't have. Are we willing to give it knowing that it may be part of a D'Nut bargaining chip for peace?
Would we be willing to funnel gold to the Nuts for tribute to TNT just to keep them around? Or do we simply let the war that has begun run its natural course and then size up the terrain on the other continent and go from there?
I guess my question is...
A) Do we (KISS/MIA) seek to engage ourselves in as active a defens of the D'Nuts as possible with the hope of propping them up to continue to fight TNT?
B) Do we 'hands off' it, allowing the war to runs it course with the understanding that the Green Continent will eventually take beligerent status against TNT?
C) Just trade with Nuts and get as much as possible while letting them do their own thing?
I would still like to know exactly what the battlefield looks like at this point. Two or three Immortals could wipe out the Nuts in a dozen turns.
Also, for the experienced PBEMers, where does psychology fit in at this point? If it looks hopeless will the Nuts simply loose players through lack of interest. Will they take the attitude of "From Hell's heart I stab at thee," and GIVE stuff to MIA and KISS so that we can stick it to TNT? Would they actually become a vassal state of TNT for continued existence (better than death in real life, but not much fun for a game...).
Sorry, I'm just full of questions.
Remember, I don't contribute much but atmosphere
For example, if we give the Nutters WC so they can head toward their UU, that is a tech that TNT doesn't have. Are we willing to give it knowing that it may be part of a D'Nut bargaining chip for peace?
Would we be willing to funnel gold to the Nuts for tribute to TNT just to keep them around? Or do we simply let the war that has begun run its natural course and then size up the terrain on the other continent and go from there?
I guess my question is...
A) Do we (KISS/MIA) seek to engage ourselves in as active a defens of the D'Nuts as possible with the hope of propping them up to continue to fight TNT?
B) Do we 'hands off' it, allowing the war to runs it course with the understanding that the Green Continent will eventually take beligerent status against TNT?
C) Just trade with Nuts and get as much as possible while letting them do their own thing?
I would still like to know exactly what the battlefield looks like at this point. Two or three Immortals could wipe out the Nuts in a dozen turns.
Also, for the experienced PBEMers, where does psychology fit in at this point? If it looks hopeless will the Nuts simply loose players through lack of interest. Will they take the attitude of "From Hell's heart I stab at thee," and GIVE stuff to MIA and KISS so that we can stick it to TNT? Would they actually become a vassal state of TNT for continued existence (better than death in real life, but not much fun for a game...).
Sorry, I'm just full of questions.
Remember, I don't contribute much but atmosphere
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
MIA's GH/barb camp proposal
From Grebäck Nicklas /KVM Norrtälje
Tubby Rower
Chronic Slacker
My feeling on this is that it should be 1 or 2 tiles. 5 tiles is a bit much and Niklas(?) has a good point, we don't exactly know where we are when we bust up a barb camp.
My feeling on it is that if it's a GH in the vicinity of the other civ's territory leave it. Barb camps are always ok to break up.
My feeling on it is that if it's a GH in the vicinity of the other civ's territory leave it. Barb camps are always ok to break up.
IroquoisPlisken
Brigadier Idiot
I like that idea, Tubby. They know they're close to our borders, and we know we're close to their borders, so we don't pop GHs near each other's borders. Barb camps are always fine to break up.
Then we'll just give the D'nuts something we know TNT already has. For example, IW.Kickbooti said:
