Disability Claims Alarmingly Up for Subset of Recipients of Taxpayer Dollars

[Formaldehyde]

Ins't it funny how many who whine the loudest about paying welfare or unemployment claims feel just the opposite when it is veterans who are on the take, just as they do when it is even suggested that everybody else have a similar form of "socialized medicine" as the military has.

 

[kochman]

No, it isn't funny. Veterans paid a steep price to get those benefits. If there was so much austerity that would could only give benefits to one group, it should be them.

 

[MobBoss]

Memorial Day is for the dead, not the deadbeats.

Oh wow. Your're calling soldiers injured in the line of duty to their nation 'deadbeats'?

Jolly, even for you, thats a new low. Disgusting. Amazing the crap people will say behind the blanket of being anonymous over the net.

A bit of good advice. Dont say stuff like that in person to a vet or soldiers currently serving.

 

[MobBoss]

Ins't it funny how many who whine the loudest about paying welfare or unemployment claims feel just the opposite when it is veterans who are on the take, just as they do when it is even suggested that everybody else have a similar form of "socialized medicine" as the military has.

Welfare recipients werent injured in service to the nation. And fwiw, any kind of government aid should require random urinalysis testing just like soldiers do.

Also, i've experienced both military and civilian healthcare firsthand, and imho civilian healthcare is far better.

 

[JollyRoger]

Oh wow. Your're calling soldiers injured in the line of duty to their nation 'deadbeats'?

Jolly, even for you, thats a new low. Disgusting. Amazing the crap people will say behind the blanket of being anonymous over the net.

A bit of good advice. Dont say stuff like that in person to a vet or soldiers currently serving.

I would only say it to one taking advantage of the disability system. If they can do anything about it, they are just proving my point.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Oh wow. Your're calling soldiers injured in the line of duty to their nation 'deadbeats'?

Jolly, even for you, thats a new low. Disgusting. Amazing the crap people will say behind the blanket of being anonymous over the net.

A bit of good advice. Dont say stuff like that in person to a vet or soldiers currently serving.

You can only attack veterans if your a Republican, such as calling them cowards, call triple amuptee Vietnam veteran unpatriotic, call them traitors for questioning a president during a time of war or steal money from veterans charity.

Republicans seem to get a pass sadly

EDIT: Well happy veterans days.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You can only attack veterans if your a Republican, such as calling them cowards, call triple amuptee Vietnam veteran unpatriotic, call them traitors for questioning a president during a time of war or steal money from veterans charity.

Republicans seem to get a pass sadly

EDIT: Well happy veterans days.

Indeed.

The military obviously thinks that many are trying to take advantage of the system. Just look at how they continue to drag their feet over Agent Orange claims dating back to Vietnam, DU and Gulf War syndrome cases from Iraq, and even numerous PTSD claims, many of which were rejected at the military base where Mobboss works and is currently subject to a major investigation. Women are now even claiming PTSD from rampant sexual assaults and sexual harassment.

I find it ironic that the less of a real war the engagement is, the greater the percentage of claims there seem to be.

 

[MobBoss]

I would only say it to one taking advantage of the disability system. If they can do anything about it, they are just proving my point.

You didnt make that distinction in your comment. Plus, what do you define as 'taking advantage' of the system? In order to qualify for a disability claim of any type, its a fairly long medical review process. Are you implying that they just give out such designations willy nilly?

You can only attack veterans if your a Republican, such as calling them cowards, call triple amuptee Vietnam veteran unpatriotic, call them traitors for questioning a president during a time of war or steal money from veterans charity.

Republicans seem to get a pass sadly

EDIT: Well happy veterans days.

Has any republican poster on this forum done that? Ever?

The military obviously thinks that many are trying to take advantage of the system.

Again, how? And what leads you to believe that?

Just look at how they continue to drag their feet over Agent Orange claims dating back to Vietnam, DU and Gulf War syndrome cases from Iraq, and even numerous PTSD claims, many of which were rejected at the military base where Mobboss works and is currently subject to a major investigation. Women are now even claiming PTSD from rampant sexual assaults and sexual harassment.

The issue at JBLM was that such PTSD cases were being over-diagnosed, and if I recall correctly the majority of those claims that were denied, were backed up by a follow up review from Walter Reed Medical Center.

I find it ironic that the less of a real war the engagement is, the greater the percentage of claims there seem to be.

Its not ironic at all, its common sense. The military is downsizing at a rate unprecedented in the last 50 years; and as those soldiers are being shown the door, their separation process informs them of their benefits of leaving service. Those that have had significant illness or injury during their service can make their claim for disability if their medical history supports that claim.

I myself will be making a claim as I retire from service, and given my current medical issues, I think I will probably end up with about a 50% to 70% rating.

Make no doubt about it, military service is hard, both emotionally and physically, whether you deploy to a warzone or not. Very few people can appreciate the stress involved in such service, as there is very little to compare it to in the civilian world.

 

[Ajidica]

I myself will be making a claim as I retire from service, and given my current medical issues, I think I will probably end up with about a 50% to 70% rating.

Not to be crass or too personal, but is your disability claim tied to a service related injury?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Make no doubt about it, military service is hard, both emotionally and physically, whether you deploy to a warzone or not. Very few people can appreciate the stress involved in such service, as there is very little to compare it to in the civilian world.

What have you done in the civilian world that you can compare to being a clerk in the military? Exactly what emotional and physical stress are you subjected to that you would not experience in civilian life?

 

[Commodore]

Interesting. I thought Disability claims were reserved for individuals who couldn't work. I can't imaging how half a million veterans sustained such critical wounds as to render them unfit for work.

Then again, drones don't need to file for Disability claims; maybe we're on to something there.

Why don't you do some research before you make such an ignorant statement?

The way VA claims work is a lot different than the way it does for a civilian employer. If a soldier has any kind of injury that is service-connected they can file a claim just to get it on file. Getting it on file is important because if the condition gets worse 10 years later and does prevent you from working, the military is still required to pay you disability income.

To get that disability income you have to prove the injury was service-connected, and it is a hell of a lot easier to prove something is service-connected 30 days out of the military than it is 10 years out.

I filed a disibility claim for a knee injury I sustained in the Army. As of right now I am rated as 0% disabled, but the injury is on file and I get it reevaluated every year. If it gets worse they may up me to 10% or 20%, or they could just keep me at 0% if it never gets worse. The point is that I won't have to prove years later that this injury is related to my service since I already have an established claim that proves it.

That is why so many veterans make a disability claim. So again, get your facts straight before making an ignorant and extremely rude comment.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Has any republican poster on this forum done that? Ever?

Mobboss I give you credit for remembering such forum threads in which Republicans have attacked veterans and I believe you have defended them. I give you credit for not resorting to the type of vitriol but really couching your question in such a way so that there is only one answer.

Besides I remember you said that being a military lawyer exposes you to all kinds of criminal prosecution and that there's plenty of bad people being washed out the system all the time. Maybe Jollys sarcasm hit a nerve this time ?

I myself will be making a claim as I retire from service, and given my current medical issues, I think I will probably end up with about a 50% to 70% rating.

Best of luck, I hear that socialist government medical panels have a reputation for forced euthanasia.

Seriously sorry to hear that.

 

[MobBoss]

Not to be crass or too personal, but is your disability claim tied to a service related injury?

All were in the line of duty yes. As a matter of fact, every such injury in the military has to be investigated to be found in the line of duty or not. Injurys due to the service members own negligence or misconduct are generally not in the line of duty.

What have you done in the civilian world that you can compare to being a clerk in the military? Exactly what emotional and physical stress are you subjected to that you would not experience in civilian life?

You see, Form this is where your huge ignorance of the military shows. I'm much more than just a simple 'clerk'. Essentially, I am the lead office manager of a legal office (law firm) with dozens of employees that I manage and mentor, all the while serving a population of thousands and their families. I have large amounts of responsibility, being signed for and resonsible for the upkeep and care of equipment and buildings in excess of a million dollars. I build teams, and have coordinated and led such teams made up of soliders from all over the world, even foreign countries. I am considered a subject matter expert in my field and am often called to teach subordinates from my experience. I have been the lead paralegal working on cases with national recognition.

And thats just scratching the surface of what i've done and accomplished in my 25+ year career.

As for what i've done that civilians dont? How many civilian jobs require you to crawl under concertina wire with live ammo being fired just over your head? To go into a gas chamber, take off your mask and voluntarily feel the effects of CS gas? To stay up in a field environment weeks on end with little or no sleep? To be subject to being ordered to overseas duty into a combat zone with little notice? To be called in randomly in the middle of the night and leave your family no notice just for a training exercise? To not be there routinely when your family needs you? What civilian job forces you to get up before the dawn to do a work out that might include a 10 mile forced ruck march (if not more) with 60lb backpacks?

You dont really have clue one what soldiers feel or dont feel as a result of their volunteering to serve.

Mobboss I give you credit for remembering such forum threads in which Republicans have attacked veterans and I believe you have defended them. I give you credit for not resorting to the type of vitriol but really couching your question in such a way so that there is only one answer.

Actually, I dont remember any thread here where any conservative poster defended such accusations. I was wondering if you did. Apparently you dont either.

Besides I remember you said that being a military lawyer exposes you to all kinds of criminal prosecution and that there's plenty of bad people being washed out the system all the time. Maybe Jollys sarcasm hit a nerve this time ?

Of course it hit a nerve. He called soldiers wounded in service to their nation 'deadbeats'. If you want to defend that, its your choice, but I would hope such a comment would be regarded by everyone as particularly vile.

Seriously sorry to hear that.

You dont see hardly any career soldier that isnt broken in some fashion by the time they retire. Two decades plus of daily workouts often means your knees, ankles, shoulders, back, etc are virtually kaput. Going to weapons ranges and working around vehicles tends to blow out your ears. And the stress involved leaves you with hypertension, or depression/anxiety.

I have injuries to one leg and a shoulder that were from a training accident. I cant run anymore, and can only walk so far before I get cramps in my leg. I have a hard time lifting my right arm above my head cause it feels like someone sticking an icepick in my shoulder. I also now have hypertension, bad hearing, and severe sleep apnea where I have to use a machine to help me breath at night. I also have some diverticulosis which results in intestinal bleeding if I dont watch what I eat. All of this has effected my quality of life, and is attributable to my military service. Now does this mean I cant work? No, but it does mean that whatever kind of work I do will indeed be effected by these issues.

 

[Dreadnought]

Why don't you do some research before you make such an ignorant statement?

The way VA claims work is a lot different than the way it does for a civilian employer. If a soldier has any kind of injury that is service-connected they can file a claim just to get it on file. Getting it on file is important because if the condition gets worse 10 years later and does prevent you from working, the military is still required to pay you disability income.

To get that disability income you have to prove the injury was service-connected, and it is a hell of a lot easier to prove something is service-connected 30 days out of the military than it is 10 years out.

I filed a disibility claim for a knee injury I sustained in the Army. As of right now I am rated as 0% disabled, but the injury is on file and I get it reevaluated every year. If it gets worse they may up me to 10% or 20%, or they could just keep me at 0% if it never gets worse. The point is that I won't have to prove years later that this injury is related to my service since I already have an established claim that proves it.

That is why so many veterans make a disability claim. So again, get your facts straight before making an ignorant and extremely rude comment.

The article mentions how the veterans seeking actual benefits and compensation in their filings. I have no problem putting injuries on record so as to validate any later complications.

 

[kochman]

I would only say it to one taking advantage of the disability system. If they can do anything about it, they are just proving my point.

And how would you just that? You're qualified how? Because you are a constant troll?
Why do you feel like attacking disabled vets, this Memorial Day weekend?
I hope you do meet a vet in person, and talk to him like that. He will probably show you how well your tax dollars trained him.

You can only attack veterans if your a Republican, such as calling them cowards, call triple amuptee Vietnam veteran unpatriotic, call them traitors for questioning a president during a time of war or steal money from veterans charity.

Republicans seem to get a pass sadly

EDIT: Well happy veterans days.

EDIT: Memorial Day, not Veteran's Day (in the USA anyhow).

No one should get a pass. It is pretty rare to hear Repubs doing it though...
Then you have MSNBC hosts (not democrats according to Cutlass), saying things like "I'm not comfortable with calling fallen soldiers "heroes""...

The military obviously thinks that many are trying to take advantage of the system. Just look at how they continue to drag their feet over Agent Orange claims dating back to Vietnam, DU and Gulf War syndrome cases from Iraq, and even numerous PTSD claims, many of which were rejected at the military base where Mobboss works and is currently subject to a major investigation. Women are now even claiming PTSD from rampant sexual assaults and sexual harassment.

I find it ironic that the less of a real war the engagement is, the greater the percentage of claims there seem to be.

Because you have some idea of what you are talking about here... What have you learned in school about real wars and how real a war is?
You should just stop posting in ignorance... or continue, it speaks volumes.

I'm building, in my head, a list of the schmucks who routinely insult the military. It is these people that I most hope will one day see, first hand, how much they need the military. Probably won't come to that, because our military is so good it prevents those situations, but... I can always dream.

 

[Akkon888]

Wouldn't it better if I gave that "few" dollars to a private charity that would be more efficient with my donation than to pay it to the government to hand out willy nilly?

Why do you assume that there exist only those two possibilities?

 

[JollyRoger]

You didnt make that distinction in your comment. Plus, what do you define as 'taking advantage' of the system?

It was a one liner, not a dissertation. Has your common sense been disabled?

In order to qualify for a disability claim of any type, its a fairly long medical review process. Are you implying that they just give out such designations willy nilly?

According to right wing logic, if the government is doing it, then obviously so.

I hope you do meet a vet in person, and talk to him like that. He will probably show you how well your tax dollars trained him.

What's to fear? Odds are, he's disabled.

 

[MobBoss]

It was a one liner, not a dissertation. Has your common sense been disabled?

Not nearly as much as your empathy.

What's to fear? Odds are, he's disabled.

Yeah, you're all heart Jolly. Say, remember that pm you sent me thanking me for my service? Keep it, as its worthless. I see how you really think of veterans and frankly it sickens me.

 

[Flying Pig]

What's to fear? Odds are, he's disabled.

Damn it, JR, you bastard - that did make me laugh.

What have you done in the civilian world that you can compare to being a clerk in the military? Exactly what emotional and physical stress are you subjected to that you would not experience in civilian life?

Unfortunately I find myself (almost) agreeing with Form here - I think a lot of us need to take a serious plateful of humble pie and recognise that actually, wearing green to work doesn't inherently make your job the most neccessary, the most difficult, or the most under-appreciated on the planet. Yes, operational deployments aren't easy, we all know that, but there's an alarming tendancy among servicemen to consider military service as the most sacred of all callings, which in my view borders on arrogance. If we deserve a benefit, such as disability care, we ought to be able to explain why we do without resorting to knee-jerk emotional responses.

For the record, I'll point out that military jobs all require you to be able to serve as a rifleman if the situation demands it, and as such everyone, from paratroopers to clerks, spends time out on the ranges, on obstacle courses and deploys on exercise - the physical stresses of being a military clerk therefore are normally much greater than those of being a civilian clerk, because Joe Civvie isn't generally up at some ungodly hour bashing out a CFT (admittedly, most military clerks normally aren't either, but the point stands)

 

[emzie]

Mobby, what JR is doing isn't about disabled vets. It's about the lack of social concern towards everyone else. If people were this upset about social spending cuts to the poor, the world might be a slightly better place.