Disability Claims Alarmingly Up for Subset of Recipients of Taxpayer Dollars

They didn't want to die... but they knew it was a possibility, yet accepted that possibility.
That, to me, is heroic, in that they could have potentially fled in the moment of danger, or refused to deploy, etc. They gave all for strangers... just as fallen police, firemen, etc do...
It is heroic.
Nice how you ignored my remark about them being forced to be "heroic" once they joined.
 
SiLL, I didn't ignore it.
There are many ways to avoid being "forced" to be heroic, once you've joined. I've seen it in action.
 
Mobby, what JR is doing isn't about disabled vets. It's about the lack of social concern towards everyone else. If people were this upset about social spending cuts to the poor, the world might be a slightly better place.

When the poor do as much for this nation as our veterans have, then i'll climb on board. And I say that as someone who has spent time volunteering to feed the poor, and hand out to them clean clothes; and have even housed homeless mom's with kids in my house so they had a safe place to sleep.

This is where your ignorance of the civilian world really shows. Being an office manager is very much a clerical job that is typically handled by a secretary.

Uhm. Nope. Trust me, i'm looking at job offers at a significant pace right now, and have had HR professionals with decades doing what they do say the same. In fact, jobs that I meet criteria for start at about 50k to 70k where I live.

But I like the fact that you seem to think office managers are just secretarys. Shows your HR cred there.

And if you can find me a civilian secretary that throws grenades, does forced ruck marches, and can hit a man sized target at 300 yards 4 out of 5 times, goes into gas chambers for training, i'd like to see it.

Again, what actual experience do you have in the civilian world that allows you to think that similar jobs are any different?

I didnt join the military till I was 23 Form. Guess what I did prior to that? Wow, I worked. Imagine that. Also, my wife works in the civilian world, as do a huge number of my friends.

And all this really has nothing to do with the actual topic. How exactly does this cause excessive physical and emotional strain on you?

Seriously? Let me ask you a question. As a demograph, why do you think the military experiences physical injury, divorce and suicide at a higher rate than the civilian population? I guess you think its just because soldiers are by default clumsy and immature. Right?

That is what you signed up to do. Hundreds of thousands of other Americans do exactly the same thing as reserve and national guard troops. Do they whine about it?

Ayup, they most certainly do. Why wouldnt they? In many cases, even more so because its not uncommon for their civilian employers attempting to screw them out of a job because of their military service. In fact, they are also a big part of that disability number as they are also covered for injuries suffered in their service to the nation.

Why do you think they would be any different?

If you didn't want to have an active job where you might actually be called to defend your country at some stage as an extremely remote possibility, you should have thought of a different career that wasn't as physically demanding. Millions of people have physically demanding blue collar jobs which require them to do far more than carry a 60 lb backpack for 10 miles every single day of their lives.

Yeah, those secretary jobs you keep talking about do, right?

Btw, Form...what do you do for a living? I mean all this talk about the civilian world and all. If your're going to quiz me about my experience at least have the balls to offer your own up. What experience do you have in the civilian world to validate your opinions here?

And if most of them become injured on the job they become unemployed, frequently without any disability benefits whatsoever.

Then maybe they should have volunteered for a job that did. :rolleyes:

But really Form, even civilian employees are compensated for being injured on the job. Even you should know that.

Actually I know quite a bit about it given that my father was a career Army officer and I lived on military bases much of my childhood. You apparently don't have a "clue" what I know or don't know.

All that does is explain your vehement hatred of the military - not some special insight that you might have gotten from it. In fact, everyone here has seen so many ignorant comments from you about the military, its fairly obvious to all you didnt glean anything from that experience. I'm sure as an officers kid on a base you hung out with the grunts at the range and in the barracks. Yeah, sure you did.
 
The problem with labeling the dead as heroes, is that your proportion of heroes goes up with the incompetence of their commanders.

I think "heroic" is accepting poor living conditions, or the risk of injury, in public service. It's the sacrifice for the benefit of others that's heroic.
 
reading this thread so far its nice to see that so much care should be giving to vets ....
LETS START BY GIVING IT TO THE HOMELESS
Spoiler :
Here are some statistics concerning the veterans homeless [2]:

23% of homeless population are veterans
33% of male homeless population are veterans
47% Vietnam Era
17% post-Vietnam
15% pre-Vietnam
67% served three or more years
33% stationed in war zone
25% have used VA Homeless Services
85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
89% received Honorable Discharge
79% reside in central cities
16% reside in suburban areas
5% reside in rural areas
76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans



surely a place both the right and left can agree about ...
and who knows if a solution is found it could even be extended to the non vet US homeless, once the ball was rolling...
 
Graffito, part of that is that those vets, especially vietnam vets, arent aware of the actual benefits they can receive, or rather they dont want to have anything to do with the military, even if it would help them immensely.

As I am going through the ACAP process right now, I was amazed to hear that even these days, they get vietnam vets weekly that just now apply for their VA benefits.

Because you still have to APPLY for these benefits in order to get them, many just dont care to, or are simply unaware that they even exist.
 
That's par for the course when the government administers things (so right wingers tell me). Better just to hand it over to private charity - they will get the word out.
 
Uhm. Nope. Trust me, i'm looking at job offers at a significant pace right now, and have had HR professionals with decades doing what they do say the same. In fact, jobs that I meet criteria for start at about 50k to 70k where I live.
That sounds about right for what extremely senior clerical help / office managers top out at. Then I'm sure you won't actually need any disability compensation from the military if you are so ideally suited as a candidate.

But really Form, even civilian employees are compensated for being injured on the job.
And many of them have no disability benefits at all, much less any others.

It is really only those who work for major companies. And even then, most disability benefits only last a matter of weeks. Then they frequently get fired if they cannot return to work and do exactly the same job as before.

After all, it has been incessantly in the news for years now how many people have no real benefits anymore, even those who work for major companies.

Even you should know that.
Oh, sweet irony.

reading this thread so far its nice to see that so much care should be giving to vets ....
LETS START BY GIVING IT TO THE HOMELESS
Spoiler :
Here are some statistics concerning the veterans homeless [2]:

23% of homeless population are veterans
33% of male homeless population are veterans
47% Vietnam Era
17% post-Vietnam
15% pre-Vietnam
67% served three or more years
33% stationed in war zone
25% have used VA Homeless Services
85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
89% received Honorable Discharge
79% reside in central cities
16% reside in suburban areas
5% reside in rural areas
76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans



surely a place both the right and left can agree about ...
and who knows if a solution is found it could even be extended to the non vet US homeless, once the ball was rolling...
You really expect anything but hypocrisy from many Republicans in these matters? Even GWB sliced veterans benefits while in office, even when we were fighting two "wars".

Veterans Benefits Cut

The U.S. House of Representatives approved billions of dollars in cuts to veterans' programs over the next 10 years—on the same day it unani-mously passed a resolution of “unequivocal support” for the nation's troops overseas. Proposed by President Bush as part of his 2004 budget plan, the reductions—estimated at $28 billion—would erode health-care benefits already stretched by other budget shortfalls, raise costs, and decrease veterans' access to medical care.

Voicing the dismay of representatives opposed to the measure, who narrowly lost the 215-212 vote in the Republican-controlled House, Rep. Joseph Hoeffel (D-PA) said, “These cuts to veterans' programs are indefensible. We are at war and our current troops will be our future veterans and this funding is inadequate, it's wrong, and it's an insult.”
 
Oh, and I apologize for making right wing arguments during such a time when you right wingers apparently think they are extra insulting.
 
SiLL, I didn't ignore it.
There are many ways to avoid being "forced" to be heroic, once you've joined. I've seen it in action.
This is only relevant to my point if those "many ways" make the force applied non-essential. Is that so? Seems very unlikely to me. So as it is, I still fail to see how to label dead soldiers heroes is an honest reflection of why all in all those soldiers did what they did. And if it is not an honest reflection, this heroism is exposed as a propaganda tool. The utilization of those dead soldiers for other purposes. Which is a crap way to honor someone, as you are not actually honoring them, but a simplified stereo-type, an idea of what they are but actually weren't.
 
Oh, and I apologize for making right wing arguments during such a time when you right wingers apparently think they are extra insulting.
And centrists, and left wingers... and anyone with an ounce of dignity and respect in them.
Yeah... I'm sure you are.
You've sunk to a new low with this one. The funny thing is, you think it is funny...
 
You really expect anything but hypocrisy from many Republicans in these matters? Even GWB sliced veterans benefits while in office, even when we were fighting two "wars".

Veterans Benefits Cut

yes i do... :D ... an eternal optimist

just seems that even the right would do something about homeless veterans... its only 20% of the Homeless population, still leaves 80% to blame for the countries woes :mischief:

supose it's the slipery slope and all that ...
 
And centrists, and left wingers... and anyone with an ounce of dignity and respect in them.
Yeah... I'm sure you are.
You've sunk to a new low with this one. The funny thing is, you think it is funny...
It was Memorial Day weekend, not Veteran's Day or Celebrate Those Fishing for Disability Day. It's not like I'm advocating that Arlington National Cemetary be bulldozed to make room for a vulture capitalist operation. Although, now that we are on the subject, I think the National Cemetary could be operated via private charity rather than taxpayer dollars. Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the Federal government to be in the cemetary business.
 
It was Memorial Day weekend, not Veteran's Day or Celebrate Those Fishing for Disability Day. It's not like I'm advocating that Arlington National Cemetary be bulldozed to make room for a vulture capitalist operation. Although, now that we are on the subject, I think the National Cemetary could be operated via private charity rather than taxpayer dollars. Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the Federal government to be in the cemetary business.
Obvious troll is obvious troll.
 
I think it is a fairly well established fact that dead war heroes usually don't claim disability benefits in record numbers.

What days would it be OK to discuss such matters that appeared in the news this weekend?
 
Obvious troll is obvious troll.

So you disagree with the notion that private charity is a good substitute for government spending?

You agree with the notion that the Federal government can do something that is not mentioned in the Constitution?

Also, can you give me a calendar of the appropriate days in which I can post a thread without causing Bald Eagles to cry themselves to death? I actually posted this thread on the same day I saw an article on the subject, so perhaps there is a conspiracy to commit treason rather than just mere treason on my part. I blame the librul media. It is so much easier than taking personal responsibility.
 
reading this thread so far its nice to see that so much care should be giving to vets ....
LETS START BY GIVING IT TO THE HOMELESS
Spoiler :
Here are some statistics concerning the veterans homeless [2]:

23% of homeless population are veterans
33% of male homeless population are veterans
47% Vietnam Era
17% post-Vietnam
15% pre-Vietnam
67% served three or more years
33% stationed in war zone
25% have used VA Homeless Services
85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
89% received Honorable Discharge
79% reside in central cities
16% reside in suburban areas
5% reside in rural areas
76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans



surely a place both the right and left can agree about ...
and who knows if a solution is found it could even be extended to the non vet US homeless, once the ball was rolling...

It will be quite interesting if the increase in public expenditure (via the increased level of benefits) can make some headway regarding these real problems.
 
Also, can you give me a calendar of the appropriate days in which I can post a thread without causing Bald Eagles to cry themselves to death? I actually posted this thread on the same day I saw an article on the subject, so perhaps there is a conspiracy to commit treason rather than just mere treason on my part. I blame the librul media. It is so much easier than taking personal responsibility.

I appreciated the satire in the OP, but is this just waxing harsh for the sake of waxing harsh?
 
It's building on the theme with the help of the bricks (and straw) being thrown my way.

I blame the librul media.

Fair enough I suppose, but you started out better.

Conservatives painting liberal ideas as hating America and liberals painting conservative ideas as stupid and illiterate is new, exciting, and oh so clever!
 
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