bengalryan9
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'Leave them out of your games' fails on multiple levels. There is no veto civ button, multiplayer exists, and you are just ignoring the issues.
Also, getting the right Eurekas for Babylon is not hard if you plan even slightly ahead.
Gee, I could have sworn you had the ability to choose your opponents every time you start a game. Guess taking a few seconds to choose your opponents is just too difficult when there's a big shiny "random" option there.
I'm not ignoring the issues at all as I've flat out stated early on in this thread that I think they're somewhat overstated. Everyone gets so hung up on what Babylon *can* and not so much what they always *will* do. My Babylon game (deity, shuffle) had me on a small continent with room for 5-6 cities, no mountains, no strategic resources, no neighbors... I can plan to hit eurekas for things like iron working, astronomy, horse riding, astrology, industrialization, rifling, replaceable parts, steel, plastics, and nanotechnology all I want, it doesn't mean they're happening every single game. And that's not even mentioning eurekas you'd have to go out of your way to do things you wouldn't normally do (build 2 forts? build 2 neighborhoods? build 2 banks? own 3 privateers? and do it all before I hit those points in the tech tree?) or probably won't ever hit (kill a fighter.. that the AI never builds?). But hey - I sure did get crossbowmen and bombards early so yeah, totally OP, broke my game wide open. Is my game an extreme case? Maybe, but no more extreme than having the map generator give you everything you need to hit every single one of those. Nobody is denying that Babylon has the potential to be great, and I'm sure for the best of the best players who know the game inside and out it's the easiest game they'll ever play. An average player on an average map is very likely to hit at least one wall at some point if not more.
But whatever, let's go ahead and nerf Babylon so we can advance to the next phase of this debate about how they never should've been nerfed in the first place and why would anybody play them now.