Discussion about Babylon

[AntSou]

No need to get so butthurt over a computer game.

Your entire shtick on these forums is "Civ used to be cool". You're in every thread dropping one-liners any chance you get. The level of projection here is unbelievable.

Practically everyone agreed that it was overpowered, because it clearly is.

For anyone who doesn't play Total War Warhammer, this is just a straight out lie pulled out of the alternate-reality hat. There's not even a sniff of truth to this statement.

There's no point in this argument. It's your responsibility to put a modicum of effort into being taken seriously.

 

[salty mud]

ok dude. Since I don't like to be called a liar, take a look through this thread where you can see actual, other, real-life people calling it OP. Lots of them. https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/255456/snikch-has-faction-deleter

Here's another one: https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6odno/plunge_into_anarchy_snikchs_overpowered_ability/ Look at all those people calling it overpowered and too strong!

 

[Manol0]

Worse still, he has no interest in learning, insists on playing Deity while having no understanding of the importance of Culture in the early game, then still has the audacity to accuse others of surely being newbs who must play at Settler difficulty. It is, at best, pretty childish.

If you dont understand that a faction that can have field cannons and cuirassiers in turn 130 is game breaking and completely nonsense then you look like a random troll or manipulated or something like that. Any of your further accusations just give the impression that you havent even play a single game of any civilization.... except as I said if you are just trolling around.

Because too many ignorants and trolls persist to blame me for having low culture in turn 130 as like that is the reason for Babylon unbalancing the game; I post a pic below where Quill18 has 24 culture in turn 130. You see that its not something strange to have this value in one field in early game when you play on Deity.

 

[Enfant_Sauvage]

This discussion is no longer benevolent. Calling a civ OP out of the blue without defining the kind of gameplay you want is not relevant.

On the paper Norway or Russia are not scientific civs so you could say that they are not OP for science games but in facts, some people can do great things with them. The facts make a civ OP and not the civ itself.

civtrader on Redit won a religious game with Genghis on turn T76 but you could say that Genghis is not OP for religious games. The facts show the opposite. The point is that a lot of other factors such as the map's RNG, the city states, natural wonders can change a game. A less-good civ on the paper can beat an OP one due to these parameters.

Indonesia can compete very well on cultural games if your map alow you to spam your UI. If you have colossal heads and moaïs in your game then any civ can compete well on cultural victory by spamming improvements.

I think we should considere a game as OP, including all the parameters ant not the civ itself because in facts the map makes the game OP more than the civ itself. Hungary can be OP on some maps but if you have no rivers it will be quite the opposite.

@Manol0 To be honest a lot of other civs can have fields cannons and cuirassiers by turn 130 with a good science.What you mean is more having this without having a good science ? Once I had 300+ culture by turn 100 with Pericles so it is way OP and need to be nerfed ? Probably not, things are more complicated.

You cannot way that having field cannons by turn 130 is OP without a comparison with other civs. Having fields cannons with Babylon by turn 130 is OP only if no other civs can have it even with a beautiful maps and a lot of science. To be honest it is not that quick.

ou cannot call Babylon OP without a comparison. If you search on this civfanatics community posts and on reddit you will see much more interesting things than having field cannons by turn 130.

Can you give me the file at turn 1 if you have ?

 

[AntSou]

ok dude. Since I don't like to be called a liar, take a look through this thread where you can see actual, other, real-life people calling it OP. Lots of them. https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/255456/snikch-has-faction-deleter

Here's another one: https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/e6odno/plunge_into_anarchy_snikchs_overpowered_ability/ Look at all those people calling it overpowered and too strong!

I never denied people calling it OP. Once again you post supposed evidence that just contradicts your claims. That reddit thread is filled with people arguing "It's OP but looks fun", literally the one thing you've been riling up against in this thread.

Because too many ignorants and trolls persist to blame me for having low culture in turn 130 as like that is the reason for Babylon unbalancing the game; I post a pic below where Quill18 has 24 culture in turn 130. You see that its not something strange to have this value in one field in early game when you play on Deity.

The highest culture output is 75, 3x what Quill has.

In your case it is 72, 106 and 137. Second place has nearly 6x your culture output.

The difference is that you're not at all in control of the situation.
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Also Brisbane at 17 POP, turn 134. GG

 

[salty mud]

I never denied people calling it OP. Once again you post supposed evidence that just contradicts your claims. That reddit thread is filled with people arguing "It's OP but looks fun", literally the one thing you've been riling up against in this thread.

You called me a liar for suggesting that people called the mechanic OP. I proved you wrong, now you're backpeddling. "Not even a sniff of truth" you said, which would imply I totally fabricated it. The links prove otherwise.

I've had a more stimulating conversation with my dog whilst picking up his turds than talking to you, so consider yourself blocked.

 

[AntSou]

You called me a liar for suggesting that people called the mechanic OP. I proved you wrong, now you're backpeddling. "Not even a sniff of truth" you said, which would imply I totally fabricated it. The links prove otherwise.

It is completely fabricated.

Your claim: "Practically everyone agreed that it was overpowered"

The evidence: Demonstrates without a doubt that not to be the case.

Thanks for the block.

 

[bengalryan9]

Do you want me to give you the seeds to see how you deal with Field Cannons and Cuirassiers spam in turn 130? Plus I play on Deity. You cant invest on every field at the same time so early on Deity. I had to prioritize science gold faith and of course army. Culture was necessarily my least invested field. Try some Deity games and you ll see what I mean.

I play Deity exclusively and don't seem to have any of the trouble you seem to be having keeping up in both science, culture, and everything else needed to compete no matter what civ I roll. Maybe you should give up on the whole "try playing some deity games" crutch you keep falling back on, it hasn't worked yet.

You seem to have a really inflated view of how good you actually are at this game compared to other players.

 

[Manol0]

I play Deity exclusively and don't seem to have any of the trouble you seem to be having keeping up in both science, culture, and everything else needed to compete no matter what civ I roll. Maybe you should give up on the whole "try playing some deity games" crutch you keep falling back on, it hasn't worked yet.

Yes and I beat Magnus Carlsen in chess... but I m too lazy to go for the world championship.

You seem to have a really inflated view of how good you actually are at this game compared to other players.

I never claimed to be a pro. This thread is about how nonsense is Babylon while having Field Cannons and Curassiers spam in 325 AD. Read the title. But as usually in this forum a bunch of trolling cannibals like you; started devouring me. I suppose that the name "civ fanatics" isnt random ... you act like true fanatics with no sense of realism. Go see in Facebook and Steam forums what people think about Babylon.

 

[Enfant_Sauvage]

@Manol0 the problem here is that you consider that to have fields cannons in 325 AD is a critera of being OP. The fact that you illustrate that with the chronology (325 AD) is a proof that you misunderstand the game. Chronology is broken in CIV 6 (winning science games in the Renaissance Era, having T3 Government in the Renaissance Era and so) and chronology is broken since the beginning of the game, Babylon doesn't have anything to do with that. Maybe is Babylon OP but your demonstration is not good. Having X tech by x turn doesn't show anything.

Go see in Facebook and Steam forums what people think about Babylon.

how can this be a proof ? If someone bad claims a civ is OP doesn't mean the civ is OP. This forum is not a bunch of trolls, you are. We are just telling you that your critera is not a good one. Your comparisons (youtubers for example) is not good because most of civ 6 youtubers are not that good and less good than people here on this forum.

I try to be benevolent, i'm not calling you bad. I just think you are not informed enough to know what is actually op or not

 

[bengalryan9]

Yes and I beat Magnus Carlsen in chess... but I m too lazy to go for the world championship.


I never claimed to be a pro. This thread is about how nonsense is Babylon while having Field Cannons and Curassiers spam in 325 AD. Read the title. But as usually in this forum a bunch of trolling cannibals like you; started devouring me. I suppose that the name "civ fanatics" isnt random ... you act like true fanatics with no sense of realism. Go see in Facebook and Steam forums what people think about Babylon.

I'm sorry this isn't the pat-you-on-the-back lovefest of a thread you evidently thought it would be. Plenty of people have pointed out the issues with your "argument" and you've either been completely dismissive or arrogant in response. Now you want to cry and whine that you're being picked on because people are pointing out that maybe the issue is your own play. Boo hoo.

If you can't handle Babylon, don't play with them. There's your solution.

Because too many ignorants and trolls persist to blame me for having low culture in turn 130 as like that is the reason for Babylon unbalancing the game; I post a pic below where Quill18 has 24 culture in turn 130. You see that its not something strange to have this value in one field in early game when you play on Deity.

He's 50 culture behind the cultural leader in his game. You're more than 50 culture behind the last place AI in yours. Even without knowing what his game settings are versus yours you don't see a pretty big difference between the two?

 

[UWHabs]

I'm sorry this isn't the pat-you-on-the-back lovefest of a thread you evidently thought it would be. Plenty of people have pointed out the issues with your "argument" and you've either been completely dismissive or arrogant in response. Now you want to cry and whine that you're being picked on because people are pointing out that maybe the issue is your own play. Boo hoo.

If you can't handle Babylon, don't play with them. There's your solution.



He's 50 culture behind the cultural leader in his game. You're more than 50 culture behind the last place AI in yours. Even without knowing what his game settings are versus yours you don't see a pretty big difference between the two?

Honestly in OP's game, I'd be more worried about Gilgamesh putting out 212 science per turn, which is probably going to be more deadly overall, even if Babylon hit field cannons first. In either event, being that far behind in both science and culture (and faith too with both of them sitting on 450+) makes for a tough setup.

 

[Enfant_Sauvage]

Field cannons by turn 121 (125 AD) with Gandhi : a civ highly known to be OP for sure (no). Just to show. Peaceful game, 8 cities, no religion, no wonders. To be fair : I was slow at science.

 

[Manol0]

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Field cannons by turn 121 (125 AD) with Gandhi : a civ highly known to be OP for sure (no). Just to show. Peaceful game, 8 cities, no religion, no wonders. To be fair : I was slow at science.

85 Army?? Difficulty level?? If I had 85 army I would have been stomped in 2 turns.

 

[Enfant_Sauvage]

Deity for sure and as I mentioned it was on a peaceful game, just to show that having field cannons by turn 130 is not a critera. I had 85 army score and I was still on the game.

 

[Manol0]

Deity for sure and as I mentioned it was on a peaceful game, just to show that having field cannons by turn 130 is not a critera.

Ok I ll try it myself

 

[Enfant_Sauvage]

Here are the files

 

[Equilin]

85 Army?? Difficulty level?? If I had 85 army I would have been stomped in 2 turns.

I see he has 2 declared friends, probably the reason.

 

[berlin88]

I think Babylon is a lot harder to play then some people want to admit. I'm not denying that the very best players who have mastered every system in the game can get some ridiculous results with them... but I don't think the civ was really designed with those players in mind, either.

For most players I think keeping ahead in science as the game progresses becomes pretty tricky. Some Eurekas are hard to achieve and not likely to be accomplished by the average player, and many Eurekas only get harder as the eras progess. So yeah, Babylon will probably jump out to a huge lead early on but staying there as the game continues is a whole different can of worms... one most players will have their hands full with, IMO.

In my most recent game as Babylon, I unlocked machinery and apprenticeship on turns 40 and 42, which was roughly 2360 BC.

If you have a good starting location, Babylon can tech up rather quickly. If you have a bad starting spot, then Babylon struggles.

 

[Pietato]

This thread is full crazy...

From my experience, Babylon can dominate easily with military and production, and comfortably for culture. Science victory not so much, especially if the final project is the last tech.

I should also mention that there is a huge difference between having the Great Library and not.