Perfection
The Great Head.
Excellent.
Discussion - Game Time And Terms
- Thread starter Provolution
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Of course MPs can't register and play. Provo has decided on this; therefore it will be so.
It's not as long because Perfy isn't bombastic. He sticks to the details that matter. It's short, concise, and easy to digest.
It's not as long because Perfy isn't bombastic. He sticks to the details that matter. It's short, concise, and easy to digest.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
I actually leave this game for Perf as the Abstact Time vote stands.
I am not to be involved with an "abstract time" game.
I am not to be involved with an "abstract time" game.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
MPs aren't allowed to register and play now?
I know you call this the "Fiftychat revolution", which helped CSP elected. The voting alliance brought us a long way, but I could see this coming. Whenever you want to win a vote, you bring new chatters along. Nice to you, but unfair to the rest of the game. If it does not matter when someone registered and under which circumstances, I think I will leave this game. I am not going to go through more of your constant flames, and let Perf run this game for you, now that he suddenly got interested.
Perfection
The Great Head.
You're resigning your post as GM?
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
I am now seeing what game you want. Abstract voters registered from fiftychat to win last minute votes in abstract time - that does it for me. IF realism is going out the window, I am going with it.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Well, I'm sorry you have to quit over such a minor quibble. Goodbye then.
I'll take over the issues this weekend when I have more time to work things out.
I'll take over the issues this weekend when I have more time to work things out.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
I do not think that you are that sorry 
You and your chat-friends wanted this all along, which has become perfectly clear by a few of your henchmen. (Read up on "Godfather" in the Flame Warriors thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5921763&postcount=65)
I can still handle a few fact things, but meaningless given that the gamers have no idea on how fast the country progresses, having budgets and stats would be totally unneeded, laws/rights would do it.
I am also too old for being interested in Red Doors and Lightfangs constant personal attacks.
Yet, I am awaiting the vote on scaled and abstract-time.
But for the forum based players that do not belong to the bloc vote of fiftychat and do not recruit last minute voters to overturn and win critical votes, it seems we got the short end of the stick, we cannot use undue duress and we cannot get our realist approach. Since CSP is in power anyways and Fiftychat effectively runs the game, there is little room for the ones of us with the "realist" scaled approach. This choice will effectively render some aspects of the game useless.
You and your chat-friends wanted this all along, which has become perfectly clear by a few of your henchmen. (Read up on "Godfather" in the Flame Warriors thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5921763&postcount=65)I can still handle a few fact things, but meaningless given that the gamers have no idea on how fast the country progresses, having budgets and stats would be totally unneeded, laws/rights would do it.
I am also too old for being interested in Red Doors and Lightfangs constant personal attacks.
Yet, I am awaiting the vote on scaled and abstract-time.
But for the forum based players that do not belong to the bloc vote of fiftychat and do not recruit last minute voters to overturn and win critical votes, it seems we got the short end of the stick, we cannot use undue duress and we cannot get our realist approach. Since CSP is in power anyways and Fiftychat effectively runs the game, there is little room for the ones of us with the "realist" scaled approach. This choice will effectively render some aspects of the game useless.
Perfection
The Great Head.
I'm actually pretty cool with making budgetary stats not that important. We want this thing to be accessible and not require to much research. Laws/rights should be the centerpiece!
There's plenty of room! You don't need a bloody timeline to make 2 page fun legislation! You want so many details that it becomes inaccessible! If you look at the quality of the legislation so far and compare it to the amount of work you've put into the stats you'll find it's massively disproportionate!
If you really want to help out, and you really want to do a lick of good. Quit trying to make the game more complex and actually play it!
For chrissake we can always add more crap later!
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
There is not plenty of room, Red Door and his likes will most certainly seek to squeeze us on remaining issues. Red Door in particular removed my flavor for the game, and he and Lightfang (both 16 year olds) seems bent on working for my removal. He said they voted for me as GM (giving names) to get me out of the game. Being referred to as a "power whore" and "dictator" does not really motivate to stay and play with such players.
The info I got on how I was perceived as a player in CSP, added to my interest to try to run the game instead. At least you have recognized by now, after 2 months, that the game needs some work and active leadership - shame you recognized this late, and that a challenge to your GM position was required to get you interested. Maybe there will be more posts here and less in the OT now.
I looked for a game that would be active, long term strategic and fair, maybe with some more detail than the average. I also think this is getting to be a game more and more for teens, judging on the average age for abstract and scaled times, which is fine by me.
Us "older" folks would probably need some realism to stay engaged. I am also not that interested in the flame-style attacking and virulent argumentation spent to wear people down. I recognize that I was voted in to do the job as GM, but it does not really matter when a handful seeks to sabotage you all the way along. Compromise or not, you cannot let flamers dictate you.
The Foreign Bases Event and the Health Event, should still run their course however, as that answered a question we asked ourselves for a long time (the foreign bases).
The info I got on how I was perceived as a player in CSP, added to my interest to try to run the game instead. At least you have recognized by now, after 2 months, that the game needs some work and active leadership - shame you recognized this late, and that a challenge to your GM position was required to get you interested. Maybe there will be more posts here and less in the OT now.
I looked for a game that would be active, long term strategic and fair, maybe with some more detail than the average. I also think this is getting to be a game more and more for teens, judging on the average age for abstract and scaled times, which is fine by me.
Us "older" folks would probably need some realism to stay engaged. I am also not that interested in the flame-style attacking and virulent argumentation spent to wear people down. I recognize that I was voted in to do the job as GM, but it does not really matter when a handful seeks to sabotage you all the way along. Compromise or not, you cannot let flamers dictate you.
The Foreign Bases Event and the Health Event, should still run their course however, as that answered a question we asked ourselves for a long time (the foreign bases).
Japanrocks12
tired of being a man
you'll have to add me to that list too. You don't listen to them because you think they're too young to play? they've accomplished more at 16 than you will by 60. maybe if you didn't consider everything brought against you to be a "personal attack", the atmosphere around here would be better kthxbai.
The idea of not allowing people to register and vote during a vote is taken from the DG. It's happened before where candidates, or players who really pushed a specific vote, to get friends and/or even create DL's to get their way. It's more of a safe way of keeping the game honest.
Just to clarify the PM statement, it was I who brought up the fiftychat influence in the vote in our CSP forum. As I stated there, it also looked like Downtown would have won without counting all the newly joined fiftychatters.
Though I disagree with the way Provo is going about it, I agree with his statement. The main problem I see is many of the fiftychatters only come in to "influence" a vote and other than that, they do not participate at all. I don't really care who or what wins the vote, but I do care that the desires of the actual participants are what is met. Why play a game if we're not using the desires of the majority of the participants?
We have a MP group that is currently being moderated by Abgar and Equus (sp?). Why aren't we using it? The only people who can vote in actual polls here are members of the MP usergroup, so why aren't we using it? This is a good way to moderate who is voting, as either one of the group moderators can easily remove the membership of non-active players. This way the "influencers" can be stopped and only the desires of the actual participants are taken into account.
It's late, so I hope the above isn't too much rambling.
Just to clarify the PM statement, it was I who brought up the fiftychat influence in the vote in our CSP forum. As I stated there, it also looked like Downtown would have won without counting all the newly joined fiftychatters.
Though I disagree with the way Provo is going about it, I agree with his statement. The main problem I see is many of the fiftychatters only come in to "influence" a vote and other than that, they do not participate at all. I don't really care who or what wins the vote, but I do care that the desires of the actual participants are what is met. Why play a game if we're not using the desires of the majority of the participants?
We have a MP group that is currently being moderated by Abgar and Equus (sp?). Why aren't we using it? The only people who can vote in actual polls here are members of the MP usergroup, so why aren't we using it? This is a good way to moderate who is voting, as either one of the group moderators can easily remove the membership of non-active players. This way the "influencers" can be stopped and only the desires of the actual participants are taken into account.
It's late, so I hope the above isn't too much rambling.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
People got different view on things here, and when people disagree, some respect should be in place to get things sorted out. Notice that I only stepped in as the GMs were gone for 2 months.
You do know nothing about my personal life, Japanrocks12, so keep those speculations for yourself. You can also quit those personal attacks. Age is not the main driving reason here, but the absence of interest in realism and a culture for flaming. This game is getting more and more like OT threads.
Gaius Octavius
Deity
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Excuse me, but as an impartial observer, I have to say it seems ironic that you would make a personal attack against Provo ("they've accomplished more at 16 than you will by 60") yet you then condemn him for taking things as personal attacks!
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Excuse me, but as an impartial observer, I have to say it seems ironic that you would make a personal attack against Provo ("they've accomplished more at 16 than you will by 60") yet you then condemn him for taking things as personal attacks!
Well, you can look up This Months Book in my signature in wikipedia, and you see the picture.
Please. there is no fiftychat mafia. Everybody signed up fair and square. This is not a political issue, and the CSP has no party line on it (you'll notice that we've voted different ways on the issue).
Vote what YOU want.
Vote what YOU want.
Splime
Regular Lurker
Um, please no. Abstract time is a legitimate concept, and should help lessen the load of this game.
Poisoning the well logical fallacy. What citizen in his right mind would vote for the mafia? By relating the Common Sense Party to a crime gang, you're trying to sway votes to your side. That is a bad tactic.
You will notice that we have no party line. There is no rummaging about the CSP Boards about what stance we should all take on certain issues. You vote according to your common sense. Because it's not common sense to have somebody else's point of view imposed on you.
But good for you. Obviously, if we have scaled time, the CSP Party's power will be broken!
