Disprove god!

Ondskan

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I call upon all so called "scientists" to disprove my theory that god is real.
God is an invisible force, neither has it got mass nor is it measurable in any other way.

It is the beginning and the end. We are its creation.
All came out of it.

Until you can disprove it, it is true, correct?
 
And while you're at it, disprove Santa too!

No, but the funnies aside, shouldn't we start with proving before we start disproving?
There has never ever been a sign that a god or gods might exist, so I think that's disprovement enough?
 
And while you're at it, disprove Santa too!

No, but the funnies aside, shouldn't we start with proving before we start disproving?
There has never ever been a sign that a god or gods might exist, so I think that's disprovement enough?

Well, has there been any mystical package deliveries that would suggest otherwise?
Also it doesn't matter if Santa or Ziggy is god. God is god anyway. So Ziggy, you're welcome to be god or to be lying.
 
So you disagree with this? Then that is fine Ziggy. Heathen be gone.


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PS:If you're god, it's ok bro, i didn't mean anything bad with it but I think that you are lying.

PSS: Seriously though, if you are god. Just disregard this little mans words.
 
Actually, this argument is a core apologetic in Christianity. They dress it up in fancy verbiage and call it the presuppositional apologetic.
 
But everyone told me science works this way in an other thread!
You mean falsifiability probably?

A copy-paste from somewhere on the net (because I'm lazy) of a falsifiability of god would be:
By the God hypothesis, I take it you mean the belief that an all-powerful, all-knowing, good God exists. If this is the hypothesis, it is falsifiable. If such a God exists, there can be no unnecessary suffering. If unnecessary suffering exists, God does not. We can be sure of this because God would be able to eliminate unnecessary suffering, would desire to eliminate unnecessary suffering (since he is good), and would know how to do so.

That is the falsifiable prediction a God hypothesis would make. Every instance of suffering would have to have a purpose. You can see the need for purpose any time a preacher says "God works in mysterious ways." The baby who burned to death in a fire did so in order to go to heaven and also bring us all closer together. The real problem would be then to determine if any suffering is in fact unnecessary.

For suffering to be necessary, it would either have to benefit others or benefit oneself. For humans it is possible that, given the garden of eden mistake, all suffering is deserved. But once we look to animals, we see that a lot of unnecessary suffering goes on. We know it is unnecessary suffering because the animals lack free will. They cannot be punished, any lesson they may learn could be implanted in them with no need for actual pain, and any lesson taught to others could be taught with the mere appearance of pain. As long as we are going to trust scientific evidence that animals really feel pain, we have solid evidence that God does not exist. The God hypothesis would postulate a world where all suffering has purpose. But the suffering of beings without free will can serve no purpose (because whatever end would be achieved by that suffering can be achieved otherwise), and hence falsifies the God hypothesis.

Interestingly the God hypothesis is only made falsifiable by the absolute claims it makes (all-powerful, all-knowing, etc.) A less absolute God hypothesis (Zeus, for example) would likely not be falsifiable.
I'm quite sure you can think of more examples along those lines if you want to make god falsifiable.
 
Actually, this argument is a core apologetic in Christianity. They dress it up in fancy verbiage and call it the presuppositional apologetic.

Well put Alps.
Most theories are agreed upon by most believers. And as one follows the trail of these beliefs one finds more and more bumps. Far back there is not a bump but a black hole.

The "essence" of god, or the logical construct of a god, not specifically a christian even, is then a perfectly valid theory.

Not to mention that there is some "evidence" for god and his creation.
Many ancient religious books and books of old wisdom speak of happenings and events that are confirmed by todays scientific standards. As such, although in a much more primitive way, it fits something that could be described as an ancient theory.

And it is certainly true until disproven by todays standards.
 
So you disagree with this? Then that is fine Ziggy. Heathen be gone.
I don't know, so far I disagreed with you.

(PM me the thread or post? I'm curious)
Well put Alps.
Most theories are agreed upon by most believers. And as one follows the trail of these beliefs one finds more and more bumps. Far back there is not a bump but a black hole.
Which theories are you talking about?

The "essence" of god, or the logical construct of a god, not specifically a christian even, is then a perfectly valid theory.
Again, this depends what kind of theory you're talking about. If you mean speculation about the existence, than sure, speculate away. If you mean scientific theory, you are wrong.

Not to mention that there is some "evidence" for god and his creation.
Again, the kind of evidence is important. Reproduceable or falsifiable evidence there is none. Personal evidence sure.

Many ancient religious books and books of old wisdom speak of happenings and events that are confirmed by todays scientific standards. As such, although in a much more primitive way, it fits something that could be described as an ancient theory.
But on the other hand, many more were wrong. It's a mistake to only pick those which were confirmed and ignore those which were disproven.
And it is certainly true until disproven by todays standards.
There you make that same mistake again.
 
The "essence" of god, or the logical construct of a god, not specifically a christian even, is then a perfectly valid theory.

No, it isn't. Valid theories tend to be testable.

Not to mention that there is some "evidence" for god and his creation.

No there isn't.

Many ancient religious books and books of old wisdom speak of happenings and events that are confirmed by todays scientific standards.

Nope.

As such, although in a much more primitive way, it fits something that could be described as an ancient theory.

Sadly, science does not run on metaphors.

And it is certainly true until disproven by todays standards.

Pick your religious text that makes claims about the world, and we'll point out all sorts of nonsense that's been disproven.
 
The theory of god is certainly testable. Everything follows god. From his divine spark, all knowing nature and creation all this came about according to his laws and his plan. And his creations up to his divine spark are mostly testable and agreed upon.
 
The theory of god is certainly testable. Everything follows god. From his divine spark, all knowing nature and creation all this came about according to his laws and his plan. And his creations up to his divine spark are mostly testable and agreed upon.
You're not going to give me that link are you? :(

Ok, how do we test it? I have half an hour to kill, instruct me.
 
Only if you disprove solipsism first.
 
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