Disprove god!

[Leoreth]

So you suggest that my creator perished, yet I am the only thing that exists...now we are getting into some heavy stuff I admit, that's fun.
But if I control all that exists and I am real, how could something else have existed outside me? God does not exist outside. He is all.
Understood?

We seem to be running on different ideas of what divinity means. You don't have to be able to consciously control everything you experience in a hypothetical solipsist universe. The very fact that I'm here annoying you while you probably wish I weren't supports that idea (aside from the fact that you are not living in a solipsist universe. Or are you?). So there is no omnipotence. There is probably also no omniscience. There doesn't even need to be eternal existence. I would find it hard to accept that something which lacks all of these attributes can be considered God.

Which is all kind of a moot point since you cannot prove or disprove that you are living in a solipsist universe either.

So you want something to be disprovable to be "provable"?

Well, yes, how would you go about proving something? Someone makes a claim, others put it to the test. If a claim cannot be proven wrong, then every positive example for this claim could just have been happenstance. Such as when I say "all birds can fly" and never bother to look in areas where penguins or ostriches live, showing you doves and ravens instead.

I do not subscribe to this inferior way of thinking but it certainly is.

Calling the scientific method an inferior way of thinking is quite the claim! But since you have asked scientists as per your OP, you have to put up with it.

If some unknown concept was unveiled, some unknown force, some unknown dimension shown to us, some new type of matter created out of energy (although the beginning of energy remains unclear) then it certainly is.

But I hold this to be implausible. Either way, until it is such God remains the most logical solutions and certainly a true one.

Solution to what?

But I know many theories in science that are not falsifiable, like the theory that there is a space fabric in accordance to the GTR. Regardless, we have that topic already.

Um, could you elaborate? If you mean what I think you mean, you are wrong. The GTR is completely falsifiable.

 

[Ondskan]

Solution for your quest to learn that god is falsifiable.

We seem to be running on different ideas of what divinity means. You don't have to be able to consciously control everything you experience in a hypothetical solipsist universe. The very fact that I'm here annoying you while you probably wish I weren't supports that idea (aside from the fact that you are not living in a solipsist universe. Or are you?). So there is no omnipotence. There is probably also no omniscience. There doesn't even need to be eternal existence. I would find it hard to accept that something which lacks all of these attributes can be considered God.

Surely I am able to control everything if I am the only thing that exists, unless I choose not to.
And if you believe that you annoying me disproves your theory then, there you go.

Or perhaps you shouldn't be so annoying. Then you and your theories would be more sensible.

 

[Leoreth]

Solution for your quest to learn that god is falsifiable.

Unfortunately, my quest hasn't come to an end yet. How about we restart it, dungeon master? Let me chose a lower level of difficulty and give me just one simple thing: a procedure by which I could disprove God's existence if that were the case, thus showing me that the the claim of his existence is falsifiable. Just tell me what I need to do.

Surely I am able to control everything if I am the only thing that exists, unless I choose not to.

Why? We cannot choose what we dream, for example. What if your solipsist universe is like a dream?

And if you believe that you annoying me disproves your theory then, there you go.

Why should I go and disprove my own theory? It wasn't even a theory, but more like a hypothetical. That I'm annoying you was part of said hypothetical (and also, apparently, of reality ) to illustrate a scenario where you cannot control everything in the solipsist universe you clearly live in. Hypothetically.

Or perhaps you shouldn't be so annoying. Then you and your theories would be more sensible.

Maybe the reason for my annoyingness is on your end? Could it be that I'm annoying because I'm making some uncomfortable points?

By the way, I haven't stated any theory so far here. Don't know where you got that.

(Also, I'm quite disappointed that you dropped your extraordinary claims about the General Theory of Relativity )

 

[Ondskan]

You're not amusing, you're boring.
If it is just a dream then we are still not talking about the actual world in which god is real.


Really, is Solipsism all you got?

a procedure by which I could disprove God's existence if that were the case, thus showing me that the the claim of his existence is falsifiable. Just tell me what I need to do.

I do not understand what you want.
If you want a theoretical possibility within the framework of our general understanding of the universe to disprove God then there are more numerous examples as the stars themselves.

Example:
God created mass out of "nothing" (simplification), what created mass out of nothing but god?
Find it and disprove this aspect of god. Although the creation rises, what created that if not god.
As such god is proven again.

If you actually want me to disprove something to prove something then you are an idiot.
Your statement about all birds can fly is false,it is not falsifiable.

My statement: The earth has water is not falsifiable, it is true.

 

[History_Buff]

Example:
God created mass out of "nothing" [Citation Needed], what created mass out of nothing but god?

We know matter exists. However, we don't know that previous to matter there was nothing.

To assume that at some point there was nothing is stupid all on it's own, even though the idea might well be correct.

To say that there was a point where nothing existed, and now there is matter, thus God must have done it, is far, far stupider.

 

[Berzerker]

Pick your religious text that makes claims about the world, and we'll point out all sorts of nonsense that's been disproven.

the opening verses of Genesis describe a dark, water covered world before "creation" - so does much of the world's creation mythology. The oldest minerals we have formed under water ~4.3 bya, and astronomers are trying to import water from the asteroid belt to explain why we have it.

 

[History_Buff]

the opening verses of Genesis describe a dark, water covered world before "creation" - so does much of the world's creation mythology. The oldest minerals we have formed under water ~4.3 bya, and astronomers are trying to import water from the asteroid belt to explain why we have it.

Well, you've really got me there. Now, about all this 6 days, garden of Eden, woman created from man created by God, talking snake, great flood, people living hundreds of years...

Anyone can cherry pick things from books that seem kind of true. That includes much of modern fiction, sci-fi, and fantasy. Yet no religious text has a complete narrative that isn't chock full of . Which is tough to avoid really, since most of them appear to be sycretizations of each other anyway.

 

[Agent327]

I call upon all so called "scientists" to disprove my theory that god is real.
God is an invisible force, neither has it got mass nor is it measurable in any other way.

It is the beginning and the end. We are its creation.
All came out of it.

Until you can disprove it, it is true, correct?

A theory that can neither be verified nor falsified isn't a valid theory. So no.

 

[Leoreth]

You're not amusing, you're boring.
If it is just a dream then we are still not talking about the actual world in which god is real.

If we're talking about a world where God is real it's not the real world. See, I can make silly non sequitur statements too.

My point was that the world you exist in could be like a dream. Am I so hard to parse?

Really, is Solipsism all you got?

Since you still cannot disprove solipsism, it is apparently all I need.

I do not understand what you want.
If you want a theoretical possibility within the framework of our general understanding of the universe to disprove God then there are more numerous examples as the stars themselves.

Example:
God created mass out of "nothing" (simplification), what created mass out of nothing but god?
Find it and disprove this aspect of god. Although the creation rises, what created that if not god.
As such god is proven again.

Haha, no. Let's try this:

The invisible pink unicorn created mass out of nothing (simplification), what created mass out of nothing but the invisible pink unicorn? Find and disprove this aspect of the invisible pink unicorn. Although the creation rises (???), what created that if not the invisible pink unicorn? As such the invisible pink unicorn is proven again.

See? You cannot simply make up a story, then say "how could it be any different?" and call it a proof. To prove it was really God who did this, you would have to rule out all alternatives. Besides this silly alternative I just gave you, there are also other, more serious ones, such as "matter has always existed" or "it is the result of probabilistic quantum foam effects (simplification)".

If you actually want me to disprove something to prove something then you are an idiot.

If you open a thread asking scientists to disprove something they never made a claim about, and then take this as a proof of your beliefs, frankly, you're the idiot.

Your statement about all birds can fly is false,it is not falsifiable.

Of course it's falsifiable.

You: All birds can fly!
Me: Here's a penguin!
You: Oh, I guess I was wrong then!

My statement: The earth has water is not falsifiable, it is true.

Of course it's falsifiable.

You: The earth has water.
Me: You're wrong!
You: *opens the tap*
Me: Oh, seems I'm left with no way to prove you wrong. I guess you're right then!

This is kindergarten level. I'm left with the impression that you don't know what falsifiable means.

 

[Ondskan]

You can call God a Unicorn if you want.

 

[strijder20]

Why do things need a creator?

 

[Leoreth]

You can call God a Unicorn if you want.

Of course. But the invisible pink unicorn isn't God.

 

[Borachio]

Why do things need a creator?

I don't think they do. The Jains think the Universe has always existed - so no creator there. So I guess that Buddhists don't believe in one either.

But the Hindus do, I think(?). And, I suppose, most mythologies have some kind of creation myth. That's just the way the human mind works generally, perhaps.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Why do things need a creator?

If they arent created, they dont. Can you think of something?

 

[Tahuti]

Does belief in god add any explanatory power to understanding the universe or anything else? If not, belief in a deity will make explanations about existence unnecessarily complicated. I'm surprised no one mentioned occam's razor, as far as I'm aware.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Does belief in god add any explanatory power to understanding the universe or anything else? If not, belief in a deity will make explanations about existence unnecessarily complicated. I'm surprised no one mentioned occam's razor, as far as I'm aware.

Of course it does. Just think of all the unjustice, suffering and so forth. All these things mean ultimately nothing or change into its opposites when confronted with existence of omnipresence and omnipotent diety.
But most of all it can explain meaning and existence of anything in the first place.

In fact as I see it belief in god simplify understanding of universe to the max.

 

[AlpsStranger]

I call upon all so called "scientists" to disprove my theory that god is real.

Link to video.

Where is your God now?

 

[Grendeldef]

In fact as I see it belief in god simplify understanding of universe to the max.

It simplifies understanding to a point where understanding of anything isn't needed at all since belief in God supersedes everything. A belief which undermines a human curiosity and need to explore, experience & investigate one's surroundings. A scary thought, or if considered as a belief even more scary.

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[Cheezy the Wiz]

First, you must prove to me that your assumptions are correct.

The Unmoved Mover.

 

[Berzerker]

Well, you've really got me there. Now, about all this 6 days, garden of Eden, woman created from man created by God, talking snake, great flood, people living hundreds of years...

Anyone can cherry pick things from books that seem kind of true. That includes much of modern fiction, sci-fi, and fantasy. Yet no religious text has a complete narrative that isn't chock full of . Which is tough to avoid really, since most of them appear to be sycretizations of each other anyway.

here's what you said:

Pick your religious text that makes claims about the world, and we'll point out all sorts of nonsense that's been disproven.

I provided multiple "claims" about what the Earth was like before (and after) "creation" - and the science backs them up. A water covered world was transformed into one with seas, "dry land" (called Earth in Genesis), and life...

Your other references have explanations, but I'd say creation of the world is quite enough to deal with, dont you think?