DLC 04 anticipation thread

[Siptah]

Does anyone have an explanation why they use 2kqa_a, _b and _d but not 2kqa_c?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Does anyone have an explanation why they use 2kqa_a, _b and _d but not 2kqa_c?

I think D might be being used for different testing, since it didn't update the same depots as the others. They did use C once. I don't know why a, b, and c are out of order.

I just realized they changed the Dev Tools DLC at around the same time they did 2Kqa D. That's probably what D is testing, new tools for modders.

 

[Liufeng]

I think D might be being used for different testing, since it didn't update the same depots as the others. They did use C once. I don't know why a, b, and c are out of order.

I just realized they changed the Dev Tools DLC at around the same time they did 2Kqa D. That's probably what D is testing, new tools for modders.

And in english, what does this barbar mean ?

 

[Leyrann]

I don't know. Michiel de Ruyter wasn't really a leader, just an admiral. I think he'd make more sense as a Great Admiral (renaissance era). Probably a retirement bonus where he destroys all enemy ships within one tile and gives all allied ships within 2 tiles a bonus promotion, or something like that, as reference to how he led the Dutch fleet up the Theems to utterly destroy the English fleet that they thought was safe behind a cable spanning the river.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

And in english, what does this barbar mean ?

3 of the beta test builds are being used for the next DLC and patch while 1 (D) is being is being used to test some change to the modder tools.

 

[Leyrann]

I don't know. Michiel de Ruyter wasn't really a leader, just an admiral. I think he'd make more sense as a Great Admiral (renaissance era). Probably a retirement bonus where he destroys all enemy ships within one tile and gives all allied ships within 2 tiles a bonus promotion, or something like that, as reference to how he led the Dutch fleet up the Theems to utterly destroy the English fleet that they thought was safe behind a cable spanning the river.

Oops didn't notice there was a new page. Was replying to this post:

Hi all, longtime lurker, first time poster.

Firstly, EaglePursuit, vielen dank für dein Wachsamkeit. Sorry if the cases are wrong, my German is a bit rusty : P And I hope you don't mind my Dutsing you..

Secondly, I like the diversity the Australia DLC offered, and I understand all the people's frustration with the perceived Euro-centricity. Personally, I don't mind, and I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of the ideas posted.
As for myself, I had an idea for a Dutch civ, led by Michiel de Ruyter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_de_Ruyter).
Civ: The Netherlands
Leader: Michiel de Ruyter
Focus: Naval War
UA: Bestevaer; all melee ships have the ability to attack inland cities, as long as that city is connected to the sea by river. Ships get a bonus to attacking enemy ships in foreign territory, and a faith bonus equal to half the combat strength of the opponent upon defeating said opponent.
UU: De Zeven Provinciën, unique ranged, naval unit with 50% more combat strength than its equivalent of other civs.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Hi all, longtime lurker, first time poster.

Firstly, EaglePursuit, vielen dank für dein Wachsamkeit. Sorry if the cases are wrong, my German is a bit rusty : P And I hope you don't mind my Dutsing you..

Secondly, I like the diversity the Australia DLC offered, and I understand all the people's frustration with the perceived Euro-centricity. Personally, I don't mind, and I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of the ideas posted.
As for myself, I had an idea for a Dutch civ, led by Michiel de Ruyter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_de_Ruyter).
Civ: The Netherlands
Leader: Michiel de Ruyter
Focus: Naval War
UA: Bestevaer; all melee ships have the ability to attack inland cities, as long as that city is connected to the sea by river. Ships get a bonus to attacking enemy ships in foreign territory, and a faith bonus equal to half the combat strength of the opponent upon defeating said opponent.
UU: De Zeven Provinciën, unique ranged, naval unit with 50% more combat strength than its equivalent of other civs.

I'm not a German speaker, so writing in German is not necessary, but you're welcome.

 

[Zaarin]

For 2 Civs in next DLC, I hope it's will be Persia and Mongolia or Ottomans/Turkey

For Persia, I hope the leader will be Sassanid, Khosrow I however, the developer likely to pick Achaemenid leader first, if it's Achaememid I hope it's will be Cyrus II

The problem with Cyrus is that everything we know about him is propaganda written by Darius to prop up his own regime. That doesn't mean he's a bad choice--if he did half the things that Darius claimed he did he's still a remarkable leader--but I'd still rather see Darius (unlikely, sadly, since he was leader in Civ5) or one of the Xerxes or Artaxerxes.

 

[Vandlys]

I don't know. Michiel de Ruyter wasn't really a leader, just an admiral. I think he'd make more sense as a Great Admiral (renaissance era). Probably a retirement bonus where he destroys all enemy ships within one tile and gives all allied ships within 2 tiles a bonus promotion, or something like that, as reference to how he led the Dutch fleet up the Theems to utterly destroy the English fleet that they thought was safe behind a cable spanning the river.

Good point. But I believe he is seen as one of the most important people to the Dutch, and again William of Orange, though fitting, might be boring. Are there any other Dutch leaders worthy of mentioning?

I'm not a German speaker, so writing in German is not necessary, but you're welcome.

Oh, I'm so sorry : D I thought someone wrote on this forum you were German : )

 

[Siptah]

They could use another William of Orange, there are enough of those. I mean most were not Kings but Stadtholders, but still.
Civ V had this one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Silent), right?
How about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I_of_the_Netherlands?
Both are William I, but hey...
I guess 16th century fits better to the way most people think of the Netherland's role in history than 18th/19th century though.

 

[ShinigamiKenji]

The problem with Cyrus is that everything we know about him is propaganda written by Darius to prop up his own regime. That doesn't mean he's a bad choice--if he did half the things that Darius claimed he did he's still a remarkable leader--but I'd still rather see Darius (unlikely, sadly, since he was leader in Civ5) or one of the Xerxes or Artaxerxes.

And using Cyrus would be a problem since Tomyris' ability is called "Killer of Cyrus"

 

[Siptah]

I firmly believe in Xerxes I and hope some of the abilities suggested earlier in this thread make it into the game if they chose achaemenid Persia. Darius I. was in civ V, so he's probably out. Cambyses would be an alternative to Cyrus as a military leader, but not necessarily preferable.
I think we had lots of achaemenid rulers so far, so I'd prefer someone else. Shapur I or another Sassanid king would bring some fresh blood.
My favorite would still be Abbas the Great though. Renaissance focussed civs are still missing anyway.

 

[Leyrann]

Good point. But I believe he is seen as one of the most important people to the Dutch, and again William of Orange, though fitting, might be boring. Are there any other Dutch leaders worthy of mentioning?

That's kinda the thing. There's not a whole lot of noteworthy Dutch leaders in history. William of Orange (and yes, while there have been 8 and a half (counting the current king half as he's called William-Alexander), "William of Orange" is the first, aka William the Silent) is by far the most important. The others you might want are these:

Prince Maurits - an important leader in the War of Independence. I personally never liked him because he got into a religious disagreement with Johan van Oldebarneveldt, the other important leader in the war (the whole country was divided over the issue by the way) and in the end he gave Johan van Oldebarneveldt a death sentence.
Johan de Witt - an important (but not always popular) statesman in the 17th century, during and after the War of Independence. If I remember correctly he was murdered for his political views in 1672. Anyways, though he's a big name I can't really think of what he exactly did. I doubt he'd be a good choice.
King William I - Did a lot for the infrastructure during his reign from 1815 to 1840, but also caused the Belgian independence war through his politics. He would probably fit in Civilization because of their optimistic view on the world, and it's not hard to create a positive view of his reign.

 

[nzcamel]

That's kinda the thing. There's not a whole lot of noteworthy Dutch leaders in history. William of Orange (and yes, while there have been 8 and a half (counting the current king half as he's called William-Alexander), "William of Orange" is the first, aka William the Silent) is by far the most important. The others you might want are these:

Prince Maurits - an important leader in the War of Independence. I personally never liked him because he got into a religious disagreement with Johan van Oldebarneveldt, the other important leader in the war (the whole country was divided over the issue by the way) and in the end he gave Johan van Oldebarneveldt a death sentence.
Johan de Witt - an important (but not always popular) statesman in the 17th century, during and after the War of Independence. If I remember correctly he was murdered for his political views in 1672. Anyways, though he's a big name I can't really think of what he exactly did. I doubt he'd be a good choice.
King William I - Did a lot for the infrastructure during his reign from 1815 to 1840, but also caused the Belgian independence war through his politics. He would probably fit in Civilization because of their optimistic view on the world, and it's not hard to create a positive view of his reign.

Isn't that what the Dutch do best? Fall out with each other? Should make an interesting UA around that....

 

[bbbt]

And using Cyrus would be a problem since Tomyris' ability is called "Killer of Cyrus"

I'm not sure they are always that concerned about that sort of thing. I.e. in Civ V you could play against Augustus Caesar, beat him, but still end up with a score well below 'Augustus Caesar' in the rankings.

 

[Calouste]

That's kinda the thing. There's not a whole lot of noteworthy Dutch leaders in history. William of Orange (and yes, while there have been 8 and a half (counting the current king half as he's called William-Alexander), "William of Orange" is the first, aka William the Silent) is by far the most important. The others you might want are these:

Prince Maurits - an important leader in the War of Independence. I personally never liked him because he got into a religious disagreement with Johan van Oldebarneveldt, the other important leader in the war (the whole country was divided over the issue by the way) and in the end he gave Johan van Oldebarneveldt a death sentence.
Johan de Witt - an important (but not always popular) statesman in the 17th century, during and after the War of Independence. If I remember correctly he was murdered for his political views in 1672. Anyways, though he's a big name I can't really think of what he exactly did. I doubt he'd be a good choice.
King William I - Did a lot for the infrastructure during his reign from 1815 to 1840, but also caused the Belgian independence war through his politics. He would probably fit in Civilization because of their optimistic view on the world, and it's not hard to create a positive view of his reign.

Frederik Hendrik, Maurits' half-brother and successor would also be a good choice, as would van Oldenbarneveldt himself.

One of the things I'd like to see for them is a connection between the wealth of the Republic in the 17th century and the art that was created (William was Financial/Cultural in Civ4). For example a Bank UB that gives 2 Artist points and has 2 Art slots (but can't get theming bonuses).

 

[Katakanja]

Isn't that what the Dutch do best? Fall out with each other? Should make an interesting UA around that....

That's a UA that could arguably apply to just about any civilization/country/culture in all of human history though...

 

[nzcamel]

That's a UA that could arguably apply to just about any civilization/country/culture in all of human history though...

Yes, and....no. No one else quite does schisms like the Dutch if you look at how passionately they fall out over....everything! Belgium is about to spilt in half again right?

 

[Leyrann]

Isn't that what the Dutch do best? Fall out with each other? Should make an interesting UA around that....

Nah, that's for the Israel civ.

Frederik Hendrik, Maurits' half-brother and successor would also be a good choice, as would van Oldenbarneveldt himself.

One of the things I'd like to see for them is a connection between the wealth of the Republic in the 17th century and the art that was created (William was Financial/Cultural in Civ4). For example a Bank UB that gives 2 Artist points and has 2 Art slots (but can't get theming bonuses).

I don't know... I'd prefer stuff related to the naval power and retaking land from the sea. Or, alternatively, if king William I would be the leader, maybe something related to infrastructure as well as the retaking land from the sea.

Yes, and....no. No one else quite does schisms like the Dutch if you look at how passionately they fall out over....everything! Belgium is about to spilt in half again right?

Belgium isn't really Dutch though. The Dutch are far more orderly. It also wasn't part of the Dutch republic between the independance war and Napoleon. Only from 1815 to 1830/1839 it was the same country.

That said, wouldn't mind getting the northern half of Belgium added to the Netherlands once they do decide to split off from one another.

 

[Calouste]

I don't know... I'd prefer stuff related to the naval power and retaking land from the sea. Or, alternatively, if king William I would be the leader, maybe something related to infrastructure as well as the retaking land from the sea.

We can have it all. Quite a few civs have 4 distinct abilities between their UA and their leader UA already.