I just looked at the bulb preferences in the War Academy, and Drama and Monarchy appear higher than Nationalism, so one way or another we have to get them out of the way.
DMI VII - Team Vanilla
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Make any comments and improvements/deletions you feel necessary
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Also, I realised that Cossacks need Gunpowder as well (for some reason I thought that was introduced in Warlords), so we need to go down the Education path, so Liberalism for Military Tradition is the best idea.
We can still bulb Education, Nationalism and Philosophy if we can't get it from Hatty, even Paper but that might be a waste.
We can still bulb Education, Nationalism and Philosophy if we can't get it from Hatty, even Paper but that might be a waste.
I'd say your plan looks good, Ralph. As for the barb city, I'd suggest taking it only if it looks like another AI might take it first. Otherwise keep it around for troop training. Until we get some Workers down there to clear that jungle, the city will only be a drain on our finances. Let the barbs pay the upkeep for us until then. In the meantime, we get some free xp every time the city turns out a unit.
Looks good to me, Oz!
I say publish it!Ralph_Jackson
Emperor
So a relatively short turnset as start of paper seemed to be a good place to stop
150AD. I swap from the Lighthouse to Library (apologies mon Capitan) in Rostov as running scientists is the priority and it already has the food surplus to run two…
175 AD As the Alphabet monopoly is gone do this trade with Washington that lets us run 100% for a while speeding Music
200AD St Pete’s completes courthouse and starts spawning workers as we are about to expand
We start getting a fair few cancel deal demands like this one which I decline
225 AD Our settler heading for Horses is slowed down by a Barb encounter but eventually gets there safely.
375 AD Washington continues to suicide Single Axemen versus the Barbs but is in no danger of taking the city, whilst we now have a CR2 swordsmen by nibbling at the scraps.
425 Ad Yaroslavl founded with Silver horses, incense and wine not a bad spot
Music comes in so we stop at 450AD when Yekaterinburg has been founded as well..
I guess its Paper next.
We have an Artists and a Scientist asleep in the capital.
Two workers heading North to develop Yarsolavl
Two workers ready to road up to Yaroslavl
Suggestions
1. Chop in Great Library (its about half finished)
2. Monarchy not available for trade yet nor drama so plow on with Paper
3. Should have 2 scientists for a bulb of Education + philosophy once paper is done
Ralph
ps. Report looks good Ozbenno so publish !!
150AD. I swap from the Lighthouse to Library (apologies mon Capitan) in Rostov as running scientists is the priority and it already has the food surplus to run two…
175 AD As the Alphabet monopoly is gone do this trade with Washington that lets us run 100% for a while speeding Music
200AD St Pete’s completes courthouse and starts spawning workers as we are about to expand
We start getting a fair few cancel deal demands like this one which I decline
225 AD Our settler heading for Horses is slowed down by a Barb encounter but eventually gets there safely.
375 AD Washington continues to suicide Single Axemen versus the Barbs but is in no danger of taking the city, whilst we now have a CR2 swordsmen by nibbling at the scraps.
425 Ad Yaroslavl founded with Silver horses, incense and wine not a bad spot
Music comes in so we stop at 450AD when Yekaterinburg has been founded as well..
I guess its Paper next.
We have an Artists and a Scientist asleep in the capital.
Two workers heading North to develop Yarsolavl
Two workers ready to road up to Yaroslavl
Suggestions
1. Chop in Great Library (its about half finished)
2. Monarchy not available for trade yet nor drama so plow on with Paper
3. Should have 2 scientists for a bulb of Education + philosophy once paper is done
Ralph
ps. Report looks good Ozbenno so publish !!
Well done Ralph, I was petrified we wouldn't get horsies and have to war Hatty for hers.
Paper seems right for the moment. Monarchy should eventually come up for trade, its Drama and possibly Philosophy that probably won't.
Plans seem good, maybe a tween city or two on the way to Yaroslavl.
Kodii is now UP.
Paper seems right for the moment. Monarchy should eventually come up for trade, its Drama and possibly Philosophy that probably won't.
Plans seem good, maybe a tween city or two on the way to Yaroslavl.
Kodii is now UP.
Ralph_Jackson
Emperor
Whoops forgot to say Hattie has a Settler over by Stone / Iron site. Would seem to be a strange place for ehr to settle but who knows...
Re fill in cities a coastal, cow + grassland cottage site seems possible although I prefer the Stone Iron site Hattie is sniffing around!!
Ralph
Re fill in cities a coastal, cow + grassland cottage site seems possible although I prefer the Stone Iron site Hattie is sniffing around!!
Ralph
Kodii
Ka ICE
Got it! Will try to play before New Years celebrations.
stuge
Emperor
for Ralph and Ozzy.Cossacks before 1000 AD... The Mongols have nothing on us.
Kodii
Ka ICE
I played to the end of Paper.
Hatty is REXing:
A tough barbarian city to the northwest:
I make this trade:
We get our second GS:
Confucianism spread to our last two cities:
Great Library completed:
Finally, Paper in:
We now have horses connected. I re-MM-ed some of our cities to grow to max happiness. We don't have much to build anymore, so I switch to garrison production. I didn't bother with another settler because the only other spot we discussed settling was taken by Hatty.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96336/DMI_VII_AD-0720.Civ4SavedGame
Hatty is REXing:
A tough barbarian city to the northwest:
I make this trade:
We get our second GS:
Confucianism spread to our last two cities:
Great Library completed:
Finally, Paper in:
We now have horses connected. I re-MM-ed some of our cities to grow to max happiness. We don't have much to build anymore, so I switch to garrison production. I didn't bother with another settler because the only other spot we discussed settling was taken by Hatty.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96336/DMI_VII_AD-0720.Civ4SavedGame
I hope the screenshot showing us trading for Masonry is wrong 
We should start on Education, using one of our scientists. If we don't have Masonry we should research Drama next so we can bulb Nationalism with our Great Artist. If we do, then we should bulb Philosophy and start researching Liberalism (to 1 turn left) after Education, so we can grab Gunpowder, Nationalism or Military Tradition with it.
I'd send the troops to the barb city and try and grab that. If we can then that should limit our expansion. We don't really need that big an empire at the moment, once the cossacks come, we'll expand rapidly.
Conroe is UP.
We should start on Education, using one of our scientists. If we don't have Masonry we should research Drama next so we can bulb Nationalism with our Great Artist. If we do, then we should bulb Philosophy and start researching Liberalism (to 1 turn left) after Education, so we can grab Gunpowder, Nationalism or Military Tradition with it.
I'd send the troops to the barb city and try and grab that. If we can then that should limit our expansion. We don't really need that big an empire at the moment, once the cossacks come, we'll expand rapidly.
Conroe is UP.
Kodii
Ka ICE
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Totally forgot about it. You can blame me for screwing up the entire game plan.
I knew there was something wrong when we still had Masonry on the table....
Totally forgot about it. You can blame me for screwing up the entire game plan.
I knew there was something wrong when we still had Masonry on the table....
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Totally forgot about it. You can blame me for screwing up the entire game plan.
I knew there was something wrong when we still had Masonry on the table....
It's not as big a deal as the CS from Prophet. We would have to research Drama and the GA wouldn't bulb all of Nationalism, so we would have had to do some. Now we have to research all of Nationalism, so it only costs a few turns.What do we do with the GA now? Save him for a Golden Age (we need another though) or bulb Drama? Drama might be all right as we will need theatres to expand our borders quickly once we're chasing Domination.
I need to check, but I don't think you can 'bulb philo once you have Paper.
Edit: GS will give edu and PP before philo
We can use him to bring Thebes or some other good city out of revolt. I was thinking Drama was a pretty cheap tech. Might be able to 'bulb Theology down the road ...
Edit: GA will be either Drama or Divine Right
Got it ...
We can't research PP yet as we don't have Machinery, so we should still be able to bulb Philosophy once Education is out of the way.
Using the GA for revolt supression or Theology might be best actually.
Using the GA for revolt supression or Theology might be best actually.
I was tempted to burn both of our Great Scientists on Education and immediately begin building Universities. But as Ozbenno pointed out, we still have an opportunity to 'bulb Philosophy. So I switched research to Education and burned the first GS. That took Education from 44 turns to a more reasonable 18 turns.
I also cracked the
in Yekaterinburg and reconfigured Rostov to grow. These changes would, temporarily, take Education back to 21 turns.
According to the demographics, we were ranked last in troops and were tied for last in GNP.
I counted a grand total of 5 cottages in our meager empire. Laying down cottages would end up being my priority during the turnset. By the time my set was over, we were up to 5th place in GNP. Even though I built quite a few troops, we were still ranked last, though, in power. I followed Kodii's lead and concentrated builds on troops. But I eventually had to slow them down once they started costing us too much money.
As the cottages were laid down and we grew the population to actually work them, our finances started to improve. I was eventually able to raise the research slider a notch to 60%. We're still losing money (-1gpt). And there are still quite a few cottages to be laid down, as well.
I hooked up the incense and silver in our horse city of Yaroslavl' after the borders popped. The wine remains to be connected, though. The remaining Worker at the city still has movement. With the proximity of the barb city, and the barbs having roads, I wanted the next player to be aware of the Worker being there. So far, I've only seen Archers coming out of the city ...
The other barb city down south has walls. I didn't feel like suiciding a sword on a barb city, so I left them fortified. The city will periodically train an Archer to suicide against our swords. One of them is up to 8xp. Just 2xp more and we can build the Heroic Epic!
Hatty's Catapult has been kind enough to start pounding on those defenses for us.
After Hatty and GW both learned Civil Service, I decided to trade it away. Louis was unwilling to trade with us, as he feared we were becoming too advanced. So I made this deal with Khan:
Construction is nice, but I really wanted Currency for the extra foreign trade route income. And did it ever make a difference! It allowed me to complete Education on the last turn of my set.
I queued up a couple of Universities and then hit the lightbulb on our remaining GS ...
With Education and Philosophy in hand, I queued up Liberalism next. It is currently showing at 21 turns. That should come down, as more of the cottages mature. So far, we've got a monopoly on Paper ... so we should get the free tech from Liberalism. Another GS is due out in about 5 turns. An Academy, maybe?
I played 14 turns to get us back to an even number. The save is attached ...
I also cracked the
in Yekaterinburg and reconfigured Rostov to grow. These changes would, temporarily, take Education back to 21 turns.According to the demographics, we were ranked last in troops and were tied for last in GNP.
I counted a grand total of 5 cottages in our meager empire. Laying down cottages would end up being my priority during the turnset. By the time my set was over, we were up to 5th place in GNP. Even though I built quite a few troops, we were still ranked last, though, in power. I followed Kodii's lead and concentrated builds on troops. But I eventually had to slow them down once they started costing us too much money.As the cottages were laid down and we grew the population to actually work them, our finances started to improve. I was eventually able to raise the research slider a notch to 60%. We're still losing money (-1gpt). And there are still quite a few cottages to be laid down, as well.
I hooked up the incense and silver in our horse city of Yaroslavl' after the borders popped. The wine remains to be connected, though. The remaining Worker at the city still has movement. With the proximity of the barb city, and the barbs having roads, I wanted the next player to be aware of the Worker being there. So far, I've only seen Archers coming out of the city ...
The other barb city down south has walls. I didn't feel like suiciding a sword on a barb city, so I left them fortified. The city will periodically train an Archer to suicide against our swords. One of them is up to 8xp. Just 2xp more and we can build the Heroic Epic!
Hatty's Catapult has been kind enough to start pounding on those defenses for us.
After Hatty and GW both learned Civil Service, I decided to trade it away. Louis was unwilling to trade with us, as he feared we were becoming too advanced. So I made this deal with Khan:
Construction is nice, but I really wanted Currency for the extra foreign trade route income. And did it ever make a difference! It allowed me to complete Education on the last turn of my set.
I queued up a couple of Universities and then hit the lightbulb on our remaining GS ...
With Education and Philosophy in hand, I queued up Liberalism next. It is currently showing at 21 turns. That should come down, as more of the cottages mature. So far, we've got a monopoly on Paper ... so we should get the free tech from Liberalism. Another GS is due out in about 5 turns. An Academy, maybe?
I played 14 turns to get us back to an even number. The save is attached ...
Nice work Conroe, more cottages is indeed a priority!
I suppose the big question is what do we want to get from Liberalism? Nationalism or Military Tradition. If the former, just research Liberalism and grab Nationalism, if we want to go for the gamble, leave Liberalism with 1 turn left, research Nationalism and then grab Military Tradition, if one of the Ai gets Education, we can grab Gunpowder as a consolation from Liberalism.
If we get another GS, then an academy would be great in capital.
Novogord or capital for Heroic Epic?
Until we get to Military Tradition we should look at working cottages and employing whatever scientists we can.
Mighty Dwaarf is UP!
I suppose the big question is what do we want to get from Liberalism? Nationalism or Military Tradition. If the former, just research Liberalism and grab Nationalism, if we want to go for the gamble, leave Liberalism with 1 turn left, research Nationalism and then grab Military Tradition, if one of the Ai gets Education, we can grab Gunpowder as a consolation from Liberalism.
If we get another GS, then an academy would be great in capital.
Novogord or capital for Heroic Epic?
Until we get to Military Tradition we should look at working cottages and employing whatever scientists we can.
Mighty Dwaarf is UP!
stuge
Emperor
Research liberalism down to one turn. If none of the AIs have education then, we can research nationalism while eyeing the tech screen very carefully.
Mighty Dwaarf
Ginger Beast
Got it will have plenty of time Fri night to play.
I agree with idea of researching Lib to 1 turn then we can decide on whether to gamble on taking Mil trad from it. Now we have Education I assume we should be looking at Uni's in our most scientific cities and generally increasing sci and mil output where possible.
I agree with idea of researching Lib to 1 turn then we can decide on whether to gamble on taking Mil trad from it. Now we have Education I assume we should be looking at Uni's in our most scientific cities and generally increasing sci and mil output where possible.
Ralph_Jackson
Emperor
I agree with researching up to 1 turn but we should supplement this by getting some exploration (horse Archer?) to amke sure we have met as many AI's as possible so we dont lose it to one we haven't met on the other end of the continent.
Looking good
Ralph
Looking good
Ralph
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