DNESR Resurrection

[Kentharu]

lol i didn't have any plans of world domination, i was still a naive peace loving NESer then so yea

and i wouldn't have been at war with the Iroquois by then, Byzantium and Maya would have captured what they wanted

 

[das]

You were at war with them in the last update, and that war did not look as if it was about to end any time soon.

 

[Kentharu]

it would have ended for me, and the Iroquios weren't attacking directly, and they couldn't cause of what spain said. So yea

 

[KrimzonStriker]

IMHO there are lots of curious althistorical scenarios here, such as the one that you have mentioned. The NOD, however, was not created to counter the GDI, but instead I had intended it as an alliance against Japan and Aztlan, and in perspective Scandinavia and the Iroquois. Ironically the latter two later became allies, more or less.

What if my anti-Iroquois coalition building (when I wrote a long PM to try and get the Celts to leave both the GDI and the ASP, instead joining the NOD and ganging up on the Iroquois with us) had worked? Byzantines and Mayans would have been able to advance their imperial ambitions freely (no Iroquois intervention, which would have made things easier for them), whereas the NOD and Celtic forces would have been fighting a huge war with the Iroquois.

They were dang more close to joining me and the SkA then they were you das, especially with relations between the USA and the Celts going sour. I had a lot of promising responses diplomatically from them.

 

[Kentharu]

thats true, and plus there was the EODC or something like that (cant remember) but Japan was getting closer, and i wouldn't have minded a nudging of the rest of the GDI to join you but i think we could have crushed you instead

 

[KrimzonStriker]

Exactly, my greatest ambition was to spark a GDI, NOD war as a back up plan through Japanese encouragment. Once done I'd have picked up the pieces afterward, or at least bought myself enough time to resist exhausted American and German forces.

 

[Symphony D.]

Except GDI was by that point ruled by, de jure if not de facto, Panda and myself, and we wouldn't have entered into a war with NOD while fighting the Iroquois, who were basically the only ones keeping the ASP afloat.

If the Iroquois had swung in favor of the EODC instead of NOD, that would have played into GDI's hands, as then NOD would nominally be a GDI ally against the EODC, who, being much closer, would've presented a far greater threat.

A lot really hinges on what Warman intended, to be honest.

 

[alex994]

Nice try alex, I was quarintinng Belarus as the main supply line to Alaska... under the guise of oil development along with support by the Celts to build a base their later on... hehehe, did those 'spies' tell you eveything I had been doing beforehand as well, diplomatic talks and all??

Yes, that was why I began my plans to weaken the Spanish economy last turn But on another note, yes, the Celts would have supplied you to invade Alaska, maybe even United States proper as well as giving you a base of operations. But the Celts aren't going to fight a major war with all of NOD just over Alaska(Acadia too) and to support you Spain is a non-entity after all

Now in this scenario where you launch a pre-emptive strike, do you honestly think your own ally the Scandinavians (Mexico is a puppet so it obviously doesn't count) would support you? It would end with the total German conquest of Mexico and the destruction of the Spanish Fleet. You really overestimate your chances.

 

[alex994]

They were dang more close to joining me and the SkA then they were you das, especially with relations between the USA and the Celts going sour. I had a lot of promising responses diplomatically from them.

The problem was that the SKA itself didn't desire a war with NOD If das hasn't mentioned it, plans were coming that would merge the two alliances with negotiations with disenfrancised. Of course, the question of Spain was prominent and I advocated that you be ousted But of course, we were assured that Spain had no aggression against us.

 

[KrimzonStriker]

I never intended to officially go to war with you over anything alex. I would have left you to do whatever you wanted so long as you stayed out of my way, really I was planning on building my defenses and letting you do whatever as I climbed the ranks of power on my new empire. Every move I made was simply a contingency just incase you tried anything. The SkA would back me up as well so long as I didn't start anything. No I really just planned for a whatif possiblity and let you play into my hands.

 

[Symphony D.]

The other problem is, NOD had no excuse to go to war with GDI, unless upon managing to get the Iroquois in, everybody just jumped on their bandwagon. Furthermore, GDI had no ambitions against NOD. Meaning the whole affair was rather quite foolish.

Plus given the ... diversity of the governments under such a NOD-EODC-Iroquois banner (not to mention all the bad blood - both of which are far greater than in GDI), I quite frankly doubt the organization could've held together. You all should've followed the tried and true Civ method of taking care of your business on your own continent before moving on to those of another. Silly Americans.

Nevermind that even if GDI had been "defeated" it would be impossible to keep it in check while "settling scores" in America. Whoever won in the ensuing battles there would've had to face some mighty pissed off Asian nations, who would've had time to regroup. I, at least, would've dedicated myself to the destruction of the whole lot of you for ruining a perfectly good plan.

The best course of action would've been both continents focusing internally, and then the remaining superpowers having it out. Otherwise it just degenerates into a bunch of pointless back and forth warfare with no resolution. I, for one, am not a fan of this 1984-esque solution to things. In short, I would've liked to have seen EODC-Iroquois vs. NOD, and GDI South vs. GDI North. Let the winners from that have it out.

 

[das]

They were dang more close to joining me and the SkA then they were you das, especially with relations between the USA and the Celts going sour.

Depends on which date you are talking about. All issues between USA and Celtica would've been worked out quite simply had the Celts allied with us.

Furthermore, GDI had no ambitions against NOD.

As I already said, the only GDI member that I myself considered an enemy was Japan; hell, it was one of the reasons the NOD was formed in the first place. Celtica and China were also threats, but to a lesser scale. Personally I couldn't care too much about Mayans and the Byzantines, not at that stage yet.

 

[Symphony D.]

Mrm. I say we blame Kentharu then. It was his suggesting joining in the Inca-Mayan Alliance that caused the alliance flare up in the first place.

Everyone! Say it with me now! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, KENTHARU!

 

[alex994]

IT'S ALL YOUR FALUT, KENTHARU! Though i mean it

go update instead of arguing symphony

@Krimzon, Spain in the whole nes was well negative towards NOD and jutting its nose in our business which didn't concern it. (the irony eh?) Funding Alaskan rebels (something u said u prepared to do) would have obviously been a reason for us to go to war and in that case i doubt SKA would have supported you

 

[das]

Blame Kentharu indeed. Although, on the other hand, bless him for bullying Korea - it really helped my plans, though alas the NES had ended before I could carry them to any logical end, on the regional scale if not on global.

 

[andis-1]

Thats what I told them! But they were all like "nur nur, lets send all our military away to fight in a losing war instead! our brillent defenses will keep us safe even if they are unmanned!"

Incidently I had no evil or imperialist plans at all after Gotland and Scandinavia were reunited, no spies either - we're a peaceful democracy after all .

btw, Did you miss that update where daft announced that chinese student was caught stealing vital military plans? or did you just ignore it?

 

[Kentharu]

but but but i didn't do it!!! *curls up and nibbles my glow sticks* stupid big meanie heads

i never even thought for a second that france was a threat, not in like a military threat way i mean yea they had a good military but i didn't they das would attack me
all i wanted to do was build up and write stories... seriously, i had no plans for world domination or anything like that so... yea i was extremely naive and way to trusting i guess

 

[andis-1]

...i was extremely naive and way to trusting i guess

So was I. I've been nesing for a year allready, but still, I'm shocked by all these secret plans almost everyone had long-term plans to dominate the world...

 

[Kentharu]

i guess me and you were peace lovers at heart eh?

 

[andis-1]

i guess me and you were peace lovers at heart eh?

No way! War was my ultimate goal, but not untill I had a proper army to fight with. I could have finished my economic builup in next 5-7 turns, and every turn after that would have been purely on military.