Do you agree with KuKluxKlan ?

rmsharpe said:
Instead of attempting to insult me, please outline your reasons for believing that the Indian "nations" were somehow civilized.
Um, sorry, but in what way were they not? As far as I know, not being able to travel back in time in person but only in books, they were completely civilized. They helped the settlers of the time survive, and were generally killed as thanks once the settlers were done with them. Of the two groups, the settlers showed more barbaric behavior. But that's just history, the reality could have been very different and you could actually be correct, but I have absolutely no reason to believe that to be true. Knee-jerk prejuducial statements are usually said to gain a hateful reaction, not to inspire debate, discussion, or thinking. I guess you could call these statements and people who make them "barbaric"...
 
I'm against the Klan for two obvious reasons.

1) I'm Catholic (when they say Christian, they don't mean Catholics included)
2) I'm Hispanic
 
please outline your reasons for believing that the Indian "nations" were somehow civilized.
First of all you need to know what civilization is:

a society in an advanced state of social development (e.g., with complex legal and political and religious organizations); "the people slowly progressed from barbarism to civilization"
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


the social process whereby societies achieve civilization
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


a particular society at a particular time and place; "early Mayan civilization"
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


the quality of excellence in thought and manners and taste; "a man of intellectual refinement"; "he is remembered for his generosity and civilization"
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


According to the Russian astrophysicist Kardashev, civilizations can be classified according to their energy outputs as follows:
www.bigear.org/vol1no1/glossary.htm


The reflection in humanity of some particular cyclic influence, leading to an initiation; the reaction of humanity to the purpose of any particular world period; concerns the masses and the racial consciousness, while either culture concerns the individual and the unseen spiritual.
www.souledout.org/souledoutglossary.html


humans living together in an organized way.
www.rwater.com/glossary/gloss_al.htm


society characterized by developments such as a written language, urbanization, government, and division of labour.
web.isp.cz/jcrane/Glossary.html


An economic engine built on ideas.
www.worldtrans.org/whole/wholedefs.html


Cultures with an agricultural surplus, social stratification, labor specialization, a formal government, rule by power, monumental construction projects, and a system of record keeping.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072549238/student_view0/glossary.html


– The type of culture and society developed by a particular nation or region or in a particular epoch: The ways in which people organize themselves.
www.whitehall.k12.mi.us/curriculum/socialstudies/glossaryofterms.htm

then try to read this:
Introduction
"Indian Art" is recognized for its creativity and context. Their craftsmanship - the process art making - is prized as much as the product itself. We recognize that American Indian art objects serve as integral parts of religious rituals, as identity markers, and provide bonds between their makers and the natural and supernatural worlds. Complications arise when there is no clear separation between "authentic" and "influenced" Indian art since Native Americans, like other artists, used foreign techniques, materials and subject matter and participated in direct trade.

If there is one common belief, it is the emotional power of Indian art. The character of Indian objects is emphasized by the range of regions, cultures and styles represented, from prehistoric to modern, from nature to fantasy, from ceramics to wood, and from bone and ivory to textiles. The differences make us realize how an object affects us as human beings and believe in a human bond and the power of art to bridge cultural distances.

Cultural Areas
Indian culture areas are defined by geographic regions where art and artifacts reflect particular communities and a certain way of life. Before 1492, when their cultures were altered by the white man, Native Americans were comprised of many similar groups that included a large number of nations and groups with distinct differences: Eastern Woodlands, Northwest Coastal, Plains, Inuit, and Southwest.

The art of these varied people had several features in common. It was deeply traditional and important to family and community well being. Most objects were made to show man's relationship with supernatural beings. Objects were usually made from local materials; for example, the peoples of the heavily wooded northern regions relied on wood and those of the arid southwest on clay.

Later, it was the European presence that changed the American Indian world. Being driven from their land and relocated, with increased closeness to other groups led to exchanges of forms and ideas. The addition of new objects, materials, and techniques, such as metal tools, glass beads, and dyes altered the color and shape of the native art. From the late 18th to the early 20th century, traditional designs and refined colors became bold with an added flair.

and if you need more let me know

BTW you could also provide some evidence (by a reliable source, not www.Ignoranceisbliss.rac) that American indians were not civilized)
 
Im against the Klan for three reasons also:

1) I was catholic, now athiest
2) Im not Northern European, as they seem to love claiming to be.
3) Im sane!
 
Immortal said:
This on the other-hand is the political wing of that KKK, the one that gives them an illusion of legitimacy, an illusion since nobody really believes they care about anything other than their race and religion.

Im just glad they have never fielded candiates.
 
The recognition that America was founded as a Christian nation.

As James Madison, known as the "Chief Architect of the Constitution" stated; " We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves to control ourselves to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."


Regardless of what Madison said, many of the founders were deists, and one of the revolutionary concepts this country was founded on was freedom of religion. If the leaders want to follow the Ten Commandments, fine, but that doesn't make this a Christian nation.

The recognition that America was founded as a White nation.

America was born as an extension of White European heritage. Those who formed the very ideals that we cherish such as freedom of speech, trial by jury, innocent until proven guilty, free enterprise, etc. were of White European heritage. All of the early laws of the United States from its very inception restricted citizenship to White people and all of the early charters, laws, compacts, etc were signed into effect by White people.


And they were also all men, but I don't see them calling this a Man's nation.

Repeal the NAFTA and GATT treaties.

These "laws" given to us by the Democrats and Republicans is damaging to the American worker and will eventually put millions upon millions into desperate poverty.


I'm only vaguely familiar with what these are, so I won't comment.

Put America FIRST in all foreign matters

The first and only concern of our government should be for the citizens of the United States.


How very Christian.

Stop all Foreign Aid Immediately

Hundreds of billions of dollars are sent overseas every year while our people remain in need, our schools need funding, our infrastructure needs rebuilding and our citizens fight to keep their bills paid. This money should be used to support the decaying Social Security and Medicare programs, to help send kids to college, and to rebuild our infrastructure. Keep American Taxes in America!


I think some foreign aid is warranted, especially aid that teaches them to fish instead of giving them fish, so to speak.

Cut off trade with countries that refuse to establish strict environmental laws.

We should promote a fair system that allows for a clean environment in our own country and does not interfere with the free enterprise system. We also promote an aggressive search for and use of non-polluting and clean energy sources such as solar energy.


I wholeheartedly agree, except that I have no problem with interefering with the FE system for environmental purposes.

Abolish ALL discriminatory affirmative action programs

The federal government has enacted programs and laws designed for the exclusive discrimination against those of White European ancestry. Promotions, hiring and scholarships should be based on ability and not upon a person's race


Yes, I agree. Note that I also think actual discrimination against blacks and all others should be illegal.

Put American troops on our border to STOP the flood of illegal aliens

America is being over run by illegal immigrants mostly from nonwhite countries who do not share the Christian European values of our nation's founders. Immigration should remain open to all White Christians throughout the world . There is not one single country that does not persecute it's White Christian citizens such as in South Africa where the violent crime against Whites is at an all time high. The entire reasoning behind the forming of America was to allow one place in the world where White Christians could live together in harmony without any outside interference from those of other religions or races.


I won't dignify this with an actual response.

Abolish all anti-gun laws and encourage every adult to own a weapon

The cure for crime in America is not take guns off the streets but to put more guns ON the streets. Violent criminals should be punished, but law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their homes, business and families with out fear of the federal government treating them as the criminal.


I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that it's been demonstrated that keeping a gun in your house for security purposes is not a wise decision.

Actively promote love and appreciation of our unique European (White) culture

We must recognize it as the bedrock of American liberty and self government.


My opinion of this depends on what "active promotion and appreciation" means.

Outlaw the purchase of American property and industry by foreign corporations and investors.

The land belongs to Americans and their posterity and should not be up for sale.


I don't see what's wrong with Americans selling their property to non-Americans.

Drug testing for welfare recipients

We recognize that not everyone receiving assistance is on drugs, but those who are should not be receiving your tax money. Welfare should be for those who need it - not those who abuse it.


In essence I guess I agree.

Repeal the Federal Reserve Act.

This illegally passed law gives control of our money to a private corporation. We must return to debt free money - interest free currency issued by Congress as prescribed in the U.S. Constitution.

---AND---

Balance the budget

Just as any family must balance their budget so must the federal government. Accordingly all present federal debt owed to the criminal private Federal Reserve corporation should be canceled.


This might work.

Rehabilitate our public school system.

We must remove the humanist influence in our schools and teach fact based curriculum to further the students knowledge not someone's opinion. Parents should have the option of private or home schooling if they prefer and students should be free to practice their Christian faith in the classroom.


Yes, the biggest problem with our public school is the humanist influence. :lol: I think it'd be best if the school system were more privatized (but publically funded).

A flat income tax should be introduced to allow for the funding of community, state and federal projects.

This should be the one and only tax allowed. It is the only fair way to collect revenue and does not discriminate against any economic class.


No, the impoverished generally shouldn't be forced much into deeper poverty by the government; the rich can be expected to pay a bit of a higher %age. I'm pretty sure most economists agree.

Abortion should be outlawed except to save the mother's life or in case of rape or incest.

Abortion is nothing other than government legalized murder. While we stress the need for a moral and Christian lifestyle, we applaud those women who choose to give life rather than murder one of God's children.


I have yet to form a strong opinion on abortion, but I know that most people aren't comfortable killing children, even unborn ones, and so when they do they generally have a decent reason. I know it's hard to swallow, but it's certainly possible for killing someone, especially someone who hasn't been born yet, to be for the greater good. There should certainly be control on it, though.

We support the death penalty for those convicted of molestation and rape

The only way to put an end to this cycle of abuse is to stop the sexual abuser once and for all.


The death penalty is pretty pointless IMO.

We support a national law against the practice of homosexuality

This is a Christian nation and the Bible condemns homosexual activity and the perversion of our society which it encourages.


As a follower of the social philosophy that people generally should have the freedom to do whatever they want as long as they don't harm anyone else, I of course disagree.

We support the placing of all persons HIV positive into national hospitals

While the AIDS virus is almost inclusive to homosexuals and those not of European ancestry, many innocent people have contacted the virus. Despite the moral character of a person, the virus is still highly contagious with new and deadlier forms coming out constantly. Everyone who gets it dies! Aids carriers should receive proper medical care while a cure is being researched. This is the only way to stop the spread of the disease. They should be kept from coming into contact with uninfected people.


Er, we don't exactly have that much room in our hospitals. Plus it's a pretty crappy idea anyway.

Restoring individual freedom to Christian America.
People should be allowed to hire who they want, live where they want and practice the Christian faith as they please. Likewise people should be able to sell to whom they want , rent to whom they want and socialize and conduct business with who they want. The government should not interfere with the everyday lives of white Christian Americans.


Besides hiring who they want, the government doesn't currently interefere with these things, as it should be.

We support the voluntary repatriation of everyone not satisfied with living under White Christian rules of conduct back to the native lands of their people

As long as you let these newfound natives enslave you.

The brightest and best minds of all races will be able to run their own affairs without outside interference. To support their efforts we should provide the financial and technological resources needed for a limited period of time in the building or rebuilding of their independent nations. After that their success or failure is totally up to them.

Huh?

Everyone who can work should work

A workfare program should be established to assist those who need help for a limited time. Furthermore we recognize that with an end to the insane economic policies which are currently engaged in this country, many families would not be forced into the welfare system in the first place.


I pretty much agree.

We support a return to parental authority without government interference in the raising of our children

We want to see the National Education Association and the Child protective agencies put out of business. Child abusers should receive corporal punishment - if they abuse their children then they should fear the law. However, today too many freedoms are being taken away from parents in the so called name of " child protection". Child destruction is their real goal!


I've never been a big worshpper of the idea of parents having exclusive rights over their children.

We respect the right of homeowners and that no one should ever be forced from their home for the non payment of taxes

No, homeowners owe society for the fact that they own a home, and thus should pay taxes or give up their home.

We support state sovereignty resolutions

Each state should be able to officially declare that any power of law not directly given to the federal government by the constitution can be nullified by the state congress. We furthermore recognize that the 10th Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states to be an agent of the states instead of the states being an agent of the federal government.


Fine with me. I've always thought that, assuming there is free trade, mirgration, and such between them, the more localized governments are, the better.

We advocate a strong defense department to safeguard American citizens

We believe that the defense dept. should consist of volunteers of both men and women with women being excluded from combat positions. Furthermore we believe that the defense departments sole mission should be to defend our borders and not those of any other country or nation including the interference into their private affairs.


I don't think women should be excluded from combat positions, and sometimes it makes sense for the U.S. to interefere with other nations.

We support all U.S. veterans
We should find those that are missing and take care of those who have come home


Sounds good.
 
Duddha said:
Their platform sounds like that of the Libertarian National Socialist
Green Party. http://www.nazi.org lol

I must say that is a rahter interesting name for a political party.

Libertarian (free economy, free people), National (authoritarian), Socialist (close to state economy, non-authoritarian), Green (similiar to socialism but even more tree happy) Party

These people must be on drugs.

edit: You know what? I think I just offended the people addicted to crack. My apologies.
 
WillJ said:
Abolish all anti-gun laws and encourage every adult to own a weapon

The cure for crime in America is not take guns off the streets but to put more guns ON the streets. Violent criminals should be punished, but law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their homes, business and families with out fear of the federal government treating them as the criminal.


I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that it's been demonstrated that keeping a gun in your house for security purposes is not a wise decision.
I'm not anti-gun in general, but you are correct that the odds are very strongly in favor of a gun in the home being used to accidentally shoot a friend or family memeber than to ever be used in self-defense. Even people who are very careful and well trained have had accidents (i.e. a child finds the key to the locked case). For this reason alone, I will never have a gun in the same home as my child, and the encouragement for all homes to have weapons is too absurd to comment on.
 
Amenhotep7 said:
Oh great... Now I feel like a jerk. C'mon, guys. From a political standpoint, do you agree with anything? :blush:

Like I said, I am against the KKK and Neo-Nazis.

OT:What I really want to see on some sort of bloopers show is a KKK member putting lighter fluid on the cross (and spilling some on their robes), then striking a match.:lol:

Also, the KKK really hates immigrants. So imagine what they'd do to the E.T. movie if they gained control somehow. I'd expect Steven Speilberg would be burning on a cross in a week!:crazyeye:
from a political stand point, ther great.. we shold fallwo nearly every point thay have (by point i mean things listed) hears a list of the main things ai agree with

1,Stop all Foreign Aid Immediately: thay goot a good point, lets help our kids and rebiled our schools befor helping hemozimbo in somalia.
2,Cut off trade with countries that refuse to establish strict environmental laws: we must keep our enviroment safe.

3,Put American troops on our border to STOP the flood of illegal aliens: illegal emagrents shold be sent back to mexico... i mean whear ever thay came from if 1, cant respecet our laws by comeing into the nation legaly, and 2, if thay cant learn to speack english.
4,Abolish all anti-gun laws and encourage every adult to own a weapon: we need to protect our selfs!
5,Outlaw the purchase of American property and industry by foreign corporations and investors.: its our land, thay can get ther own land.
6,Drug testing for welfare recipients. thay shold be punished, not given our tax dollers.
7,Balance the budget: self explanitory??
8,Rehabilitate our public school system.: lets fix up our schools
9,A flat income tax should be introduced to allow for the funding of community, state and federal projects.

10,Abortion should be outlawed except to save the mother's life or in case of rape or incest.

11,We support the death penalty for those convicted of molestation and rape

12,We support the placing of all persons HIV positive into national hospitals: send them all to camps and keep the away from every one eals.
13,Everyone who can work should work

14,We support a return to parental authority without government interference in the raising of our children: kidds shold by law go to school, and abuse shold be punished, but just cus a dad spanks his kid and leaves a red mark dosent mean its abuse!!! i know what real abuse is :(

15,We support all U.S. veterans
 
rmsharpe said:
What about them? They were barbarians.
how dear u call them barbarians!!!

thay whear shavages!! :P

firts comes shavagery,
then barbarism
then civilazation
thus thay are lower then barbarians :P
 
Zarn said:
I must say that is a rahter interesting name for a political party.

Libertarian (free economy, free people), National (authoritarian), Socialist (close to state economy, non-authoritarian), Green (similiar to socialism but even more tree happy) Party

These people must be on drugs.

edit: You know what? I think I just offended the people addicted to crack. My apologies.

I think that site is meant as a joke.
 
Death penalty for sex crimes? Tragedy waiting to happen. Any woman with a taste for spite could get a man killed quite easily, even if that person was totally innocent. Hell it could happen to any of you guys, if someone was properly motivated to hurt you.
 
I am against the views of the KKK. There extreamist racist views makes me sick to my stomich to hear that there are radical groups in the U.S. like the KKK and the neo-Nazis :puke:.
 
I would be against the KKK even if I were a WASP. I was surprised to find out that they exist here in northern New Jersey. I thought they were only in the South in the back country not in the richest region in the US.
 
blindside said:
I would be against the KKK even if I were a WASP. I was surprised to find out that they exist here in northern New Jersey. I thought they were only in the South in the back country not in the richest region in the US.

They are all over South Jersey, too.
 
KKK said:
The recognition that America was founded as a Christian nation.
The recognition that America was founded as a White nation.
Actively promote love and appreciation of our unique European (White) culture
Irrelevant, property is inherited, power is not.
No single culture should be promoted.

KKK said:
Put America FIRST in all foreign matters
We advocate a strong defense department to safeguard American citizens
We support all U.S. veterans
I'm a non-American who support the American world hegemony so answering is difficult. Putting America first does not necesserily mean no support to allies.

KKK said:
We support state sovereignty resolutions
The individual should be protected by a Constitution, local power is however generally good.

KKK said:
Repeal the NAFTA and GATT treaties.
Cut off trade with countries that refuse to establish strict environmental laws.
Put American troops on our border to STOP the flood of illegal aliens
Outlaw the purchase of American property and industry by foreign corporations and investors.
Protectionism, against.

KKK said:
Stop all Foreign Aid Immediately
Against

KKK said:
Abolish ALL discriminatory affirmative action programs
Abolish all anti-gun laws and encourage every adult to own a weapon
A flat income tax should be introduced to allow for the funding of community, state and federal projects.
We respect the right of homeowners and that no one should ever be forced from their home for the non payment of taxes
Restoring individual freedom to Christian America.
We support a return to parental authority without government interference in the raising of our children
Pseudo-libertarian beliefs I could support. Under their system, no taxes could possibly be cut though, they'd have to be raised.
Property tax is not necesserily wrong. The police protects your property and is funded by taxes. Property tax is also easy to collect and does not hurt the economy.
Parental authority is not always more liberal than government interference.

KKK said:
Drug testing for welfare recipients
Everyone who can work should work
Agreed, everyone who does not work should suffer the consequences.

KKK said:
Balance the budget
Repeal the Federal Reserve Act.
The program does not give sufficient information on why the federal reserve act should be repealed. It could be, sure, for the right reasons.

KKK said:
We support the death penalty for those convicted of molestation and rape
In a constitutional state there can be no excessive punishments that do not in any way fit the crime.

KKK said:
Abortion should be outlawed except to save the mother's life or in case of rape or incest.
We support a national law against the practice of homosexuality
We support the placing of all persons HIV positive into national hospitals
We support the voluntary repatriation of everyone not satisfied with living under White Christian rules of conduct back to the native lands of their people
Against. Severe infringements on the the rights of individual.
 
cgannon64 said:
They're still the super-isolationist immigrant-hating group they were when they started.

That's the description of a lot of americans I know.
 
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