Do you think Civ V is doomed?

[Sonereal]

A lot of people bought it during christmas holydays, so after that is normal that the number rises, i want to remember you that on early December were only 15k people playing it.

Ok....

Your point?

Its a week into January now. Christmas holidays ended a week ago for many people.

Even at 15k, that's still a lot of people for a relatively obscure game.

 

[JLoZeppeli]

Ok....

Your point?

Its a week into January now. Christmas holidays ended a week ago for many people.

Even at 15k, that's still a lot of people for a relatively obscure game.

The previous game sold 4 million of copies not counting the expansions... If you can call it obscure (maybe Europa Universalis is obscure, or better, Matrix Games are obscure).... And if they bought between 25 and the first day of January, can you give them a little time to play or do you think that like the "professional reviews" it needs only an hour to understand the problems?

 

[Iranon]

well as long as they remove 1UPT in the next expansion (which is garunteed to be released within the next year or so), i think this game still has a chance

That's be a gigantic 'Sorry guys, we screwed up!'. Why should they do this after releasing a commerically successful and critically acclaimed game? To appease a minority of unreasonably demanding, whiny nerds like me who aren't willing to move with the times?

 

[MkLh]

CivIV would've fallen into the same obscurity CivRev did on this board if it wasn't for the modding community because frankly, CivIV and V were garbage without mods. As long as the modding community is not on life support, things will be fine.

No. The only mod Civ4 section "die hards" regularly use is excellent BUG mod. It is purely an UI mod that doesn't change core gameplay a bit. The core game (especially BtS) is strong enough to carry itself still.

 

[Sonereal]

The previous game selled 4 million of copies not counting the expansions... If you can call it obscure (maybe Europa Universalis is obscure, or better, Matrix Games are obscure).... And if they bought between 25 and the first day of January, can you give them a little time to play or do you think that like the "professional reviews" it needs only an hour to understand the problems?

JLo

I don't know what your problem is. 4 million copies over the course of five years. Cool. Still relatively obscure compared to mainstream games such as Starcraft or Black Ops, which sold 4x more copies than Civilization 4 has in its lifetime in only one month. Let me go quote what I posted.

Even at 15k, that's still a lot of people for a relatively obscure game.

Please don't put words in my mouth because you'll regret it pretty fast (I will since I'm ignoring my ignore list policy here to talk to you). The fact is is that CivV, with 30k players right now and plenty of people who have already bought the game, has paved the way for an expansion. 90% of people who play this game or most games aren't hardcore players like people here are.

 

[Sonereal]

No. The only mod Civ4 section "die hards" regularly use is excellent BUG mod. It is purely an UI mod that doesn't change core gameplay a bit. The core game (especially BtS) is strong enough to carry itself still.

Fall from Heaven, A New Dawn, Legends of Revolutions, RFC, etc.

I don't what point you have about "diehards" since those guys are usually the minority, not the majority. The fact that CivIV BTS still needs mods to get it to something approaching playable still makes my point so....your point in bringing it up?

The day you only have diehards buying a new game or playing it within six months of release is the day the game dies. Not the day there's 30k people playing January 7th.

 

[JLoZeppeli]

JLo

I don't know what your problem is. 4 million copies over the course of five years. Cool. Still relatively obscure compared to mainstream games such as Starcraft or Black Ops, which sold 4x more copies than Civilization 4 has in its lifetime in only one month. Let me go quote what I posted.



Please don't put words in my mouth because you'll regret it pretty fast (I will since I'm ignoring my ignore list policy here to talk to you). The fact is is that CivV, with 30k players right now and plenty of people who have already bought the game, has paved the way for an expansion. 90% of people who play this game or most games aren't hardcore players like people here are.

You have problems dude, you are comparing Civ with the Real Big Ones... But no one can call Street Fighter obscure or Dragon Age.... So what are games like Total War or the Withcer (that sold only one million, poor obscure game...) in your vocabulary? Alien evidance for nerds??? Are you joking? Civilization was always the most streamlined and well know TBS game ever... Dude, you need a doctor, a very good one....

 

[JohnnyW]

Yes.

It's totally rational to believe that they would remove the most hyped feature of the game. [...] The feature that they have had two chances now to patch out since it looks like it would be a trivial thing to mod in with DLL yet they haven't. Remember how in CivIV: BTS, they removed espionage because it sucked in the base game?

Oh wait.

It's totally rational to believe they would remove the most hyped feature of the game. The feature they have had two chances to patch out with expansions yet they haven't. Remember how from Civ4 to Civ5 they removed religion?

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Ah, com'on we all know the difference between market shares & what gamers in general prefer, don't we?
TBS, RTS, FPS, MMO, RPS, SIM, Cards, Puzzles, Sports, Arcade, Console, name it.
Just for kicks, one opinion from the million others... Top 25 PC games of all time (Link)
No wonder Firaxis is planning for an X-Com remake!

But, what we can't prove (including me) is that any given game is always better or worst than everything else. Unless categorized.

In the TBS sector, the whole Civilization series is the gigantic behemot of all time. CiV might be perceived by some as a Doomed failure and yet (as mentioned above) many casual gamers enjoy it enough to go online & MP it to its shaking roots for hours on end.

Sure, we could also try monitoring the current Cataclysmic success of WoW (which btw went from a pure TBS to a swift FPS-MMORPG for Blizzardry's cash) and compare it to every Quake & Counter-Strike parties looping eternally powerful with bazillions of participants.

Apples with Raisins or Bananas, perhaps?

In the shadows of EA sneaky remodeling of industry trends, in the trails of Sim(ulator)s per-pack DLC of a dress & running shoes for a 1$, in the pipeline of bandwidth wars between Steam-Impulse-D2D-Etc distribution outlets for mo'money... one simple fact remains;

- Sid Meier's stuff still stands at the pillar of Humanity History concept gameplay(s) for anybody's damned strict fun.

And that, my good friends, will never change.

 

[niall78]

Doomed and good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[4Dingo4]

I've been playing Civilization since Civ1 came out many years ago. In my opinion every game was better than the last.

Civ5 is better graphically but that's about it. Combat in Civ5 is so easy that it's not worth playing. The AI is terrible. I'm killing enemies at a 10 to 1 rate without trying.

Also diplomacy is porked. I liked the Civ4 diplomacy screen with the faces and colored lines.

Civ5 makes me not excited about Civ6. I think this game jumped the shark.

 

[SuperJay]

Of course he is to be held responsible. That is what LEADER used to mean. I don't care what many people try to make it mean now, but HE is responsible for the final product.

No, he is responsible for the final design. Lead Designer. And you know I'm not a big fan of Civ 5 at all, but we're not seeing the final design, we're seeing the implementation on release - a release that was apparently rushed out the door, by the looks of things. (If anything, you should be directing your ire at Sid, as Creative Director for Firaxis. Jon likely didn't have final say over release implementation, but you can bet Sid could have pulled the plug if he felt it was a substandard product.)

Obviously if you're angry over Jon joining Stardock, that's your call; I'm just trying to save you the trouble because I think your indignation is misplaced. I don't think you need to worry about Elemental - Jon can't "ruin" the game at this point, given that's just working on the modding end of it. It'll likely become easier to mod with Jon on board, and that's a good thing for Elemental, right?

EDIT: Weird, I thought I was in the "Shafer leaves for Stardock" thread. Ooops.

 

[Aristos]

No, he is responsible for the final design. Lead Designer. And you know I'm not a big fan of Civ 5 at all, but we're not seeing the final design, we're seeing the implementation on release - a release that was apparently rushed out the door, by the looks of things. (If anything, you should be directing your ire at Sid, as Creative Director for Firaxis. Jon likely didn't have final say over release implementation, but you can bet Sid could have pulled the plug if he felt it was a substandard product.)

Obviously if you're angry over Jon joining Stardock, that's your call; I'm just trying to save you the trouble because I think your indignation is misplaced. I don't think you need to worry about Elemental - Jon can't "ruin" the game at this point, given that's just working on the modding end of it. It'll likely become easier to mod with Jon on board, and that's a good thing for Elemental, right?

EDIT: Weird, I thought I was in the "Shafer leaves for Stardock" thread. Ooops.

Angry? Remember my previous signature: "It's only a stupid game".

I just think that mediocre people should pay the price of mediocrity. People are to be judged by their result, because that is the only thing we can objectively see and judge. Civ5 is HIS end result, if he didn't have the guts, courage, ability or honesty to push his own vision (which I think he really did, this deformation IS his vision), then in any case he should have resigned. Contrary to many people's believe, a good portion (the best?) of the market rewards honesty and integrity above everything else.

He is just a CHANTA.

 

[Rusty Edge]

Or do you think Firaxis can save it? I'm hoping they can because I just got bored of this game and I'm going to give civ 4 another spin and try my best not to let the stacks of doom bother me. Stacks stopped me from playing IV.

It's not doomed. Patches could help a lot. An expansion pack could change the game. Modders may do more to save it than Firaxis.

FREE THE DLL!

 

[jtb1127]

I don't think it is "doomed." The diplomacy is messed up but that doesn't hurt the game that much. The people at firaxis definitely need to fix the problem. Small patches won't help though. They need an entire new expansion. But I'll never go back to civ iv because the 1 unit per tile system is so much better.

 

[aasand]

Doomed.. Its a boring game with crap implemented core features.

 

[trivilization]

Doomed, like the rapture in 2012 standing in the lake of fire with no pants on and the Antichrist pointing his finger laughing at you.

 

[trivilization]

Expansions to fix it means paying more money. No thanks.

 

[OneFootInThe...]

I feel it is doomed... but I hope they keep on trying to fix it... so perhaps they may suprise me.... hope dies last...

off to play Civ IV now

 

[Andoo]

Not at all. First of all, it sold alot. Second, while some people just ignore them under the name of fanboys, there are huge number of people who actually love the game. Lastly, it's very open to future development; it can only get better.