Does a Universal Truth Exist?

Yes, because what appeals to you personally has such a high probability of being right.

What you're suggesting might make you feel good, but that's not what this thread is about - it's about the truth.
I was responding to Fifty's question about an alternate approach.

The path to truth is shaped by how you define the context. If one limits all possible answers to the physical universe we can measure, then the ways of discovering it are shaped by those limits. If the boundaries are changed than new paths may open up and some others closed off.
 
instead of answering whether there is a universal truth or not i will say that some sentient beings know more about the "reality" of the world than others. Meaning i find that one may possess a higher perception of the truth that others. Which to mean translates that there is indeed a universal truth that no sentient human being understands perfectly. Since our understanding can always improve perfection is something that can always be hunted even if it is never reached.
 
A universal truth? you are unique, just like everybody else.
 
I was responding to Fifty's question about an alternate approach.

The path to truth is shaped by how you define the context. If one limits all possible answers to the physical universe we can measure, then the ways of discovering it are shaped by those limits. If the boundaries are changed than new paths may open up and some others closed off.


To search for answers on a specific context then that context or universe much exist in a place other than your imagination. Only the physical universe exists therefore any answers you have about a non physical universe is only a part of your imagination.
 
The path to truth is shaped by how you define the context. If one limits all possible answers to the physical universe we can measure, then the ways of discovering it are shaped by those limits. If the boundaries are changed than new paths may open up and some others closed off.

Well, yeah, we can all live in fantasy worlds if we want to, but that doesn't help us get to any sort of external truth.
 
To search for answers on a specific context then that context or universe much exist in a place other than your imagination. Only the physical universe exists therefore any answers you have about a non physical universe is only a part of your imagination.
Ah yes the old "What is real?" question. You choose to define reality through the limitations of your perceptions.

Your unwillingness to accept the mirage as real may be because of the inadequacy of your thirst.

Well, yeah, we can all live in fantasy worlds if we want to, but that doesn't help us get to any sort of external truth.
Why doesn't it? Is there only one path to Truth? If so what is it and who decided it?
 
There are infinitely many necessary truths.

Yes... but I am talking about an over arching universal truth that is true for everything. Does it exist? Can we know it?
 
The last place you want to go is to a philosopher. They reach no conclusions, but do use lots of words and symbols to get there.

Philosophers believe that truth can be found out by reason and the human mind. Problem is, how would you "prove" a universal truth?

It seems like it is a void, from which everything is sucked in and made null. An intersection of Religion and Philosophy perhaps?
 
Why doesn't it? Is there only one path to Truth? If so what is it and who decided it?

How can believing what makes you feel good lead to any sort of external truth?

When has that ever worked?
 
Reason is a great tool, but has its limitations. Unlike the application of reason to the natural sciences, it has not been a good tool to resolve the significant philosphical issues that have under discussion since people began to ponder their place in the universe. I do not expect any definitive answers anytime soon.

There are a couple reasons for this that you refuse to acknowledge. First of all, philosophy by its nature attempts to answer questions where the methodology for answering them is unclear. When the methodology for solving a problem becomes clear, it ceases to be philosophy. Physics, biology, linguistics, psychology, etc. etc. all began as philosophy.

Second of all, I'd challenge your contention that no progress has been made in solving philosophical problems. We know a lot better what isn't true, for instance. And thats a form of progress.

If one wants an answer to "life's big questions", I suggest just picking what appeals to you and shaping your life around that. At that point you can apply all the reason and logic (or love and magic) you want, to build something that is coherent and makes sense for you.

That's a completely meaningless method. It can be used to build literally any answer you want to any question. That doesn't make it deep or ;)-inducing, that makes it moronic.

In the 2,500 since the Golden Age of Greece the process of arguing philosophy has gotten more complex and esoteric, but few answers of note have been forth coming. (Isn't there a popular definition of insanity that can be applied here?) ;)

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? The problems tackled by philosophers today are extremely clear, and philosophy in general is done in a much more clear manner. Today, for instance, I was doing some research on something called "the problem of material constitution". I read some Aristotle on it, and it was extremely difficult to make heads or tales of what on earth he was saying. Then I read a contemporary article on the exact same problem, and it was much easier to comprehend. That fact that you don't get it doesn't make philosophy bad, it just means either that you don't want to get it, or that you are too dumb to get it, or that you just haven't read enough philosophy to form any meaningful conclusion about it. I'll leave it as an exercise to figure out which of these three is most true in your case.

birdjag said:
The topics of philosphical discussion are infinitly interesting and rich

Hey, at least you said one thing that wasn't wrong and ignorant! :goodjob:

Birdjag said:
but the impenetrable jargon and belabored process of constructing arguments has sucked the life and value out of them.

This is just an argument from incredulity. In short, you're saying "I'm too dumb to understand it, so it must be valueless." I can read an article in nearly any area of contemporary philosophy and find it perfectly comprehensible, after just a couple years of serious study. Thats hardly "impenetrable jargon", its just a fact about academic discourse. In philosophy, one of the biggest problems is getting very clear on what you are talking about. In order to get super-clear, you must introduce stipulative and technical definitions so as to eliminate ambiguities. The fact that something is incomprehensible to someone who has never seriously studied it is hardly meaningful. If I picked a random page from some electrical engineering journal that would be perfectly comprehensible to Perfection, I probably wouldn't be able to make heads or tales of it. But that's my problem, not the discipline's.
 
Yes... but I am talking about an over arching universal truth that is true for everything. Does it exist? Can we know it?

a necessary truth is true for everyone.

Here's a few:

Necessarily, 8>7
Necessarily, 4>3
Necessarily, 30000>2
 
1+1=2
unlike 110+10=11, it is accurate and correct for EVERYONE.

EDIT: ^ what he said ^
 
a necessary truth is true for everyone.

Here's a few:

Necessarily, 8>7
Necessarily, 4>3
Necessarily, 30000>2

You assume mathematics is universal though.
 
You assume mathematics is universal though.

Why the hell is mathematics not universal? It doesn't even have to fit with the state of reality. It's based on axioms. It's pure deduction.
 
If you don't assume anything then you don't know jack and since not knowing jack totally friggin' sucks it's good to assume stuff.

Assuming and knowing are contradictory. I admit that assuming something is sometimes a step in knowing something. However, to assume something isnot knowing something. The only thing you can know from an assumption is that you know nothing.
 
Ah yes the old "What is real?" question. You choose to define reality through the limitations of your perceptions.

Your unwillingness to accept the mirage as real may be because of the inadequacy of your thirst.

If i choose to do differently i would be considered insane. The fact that you are not considered insane suggests to me you (thankfully) have not committed yourself enough into that road . Because what you can know , understand is limited to your perceptions by your human nature. If you act like it is not limited the only think you will accomplish is to misread what your perceptions are telling to you and live in imaginationland.
 
a necessary truth is true for everyone.

Here's a few:

Necessarily, 8>7
Necessarily, 4>3
Necessarily, 30000>2


Not IF i imagine it is not necessary .See i win. I imagine that necessarrly 7 >8. That is totally wrong but who cares i assume it isn't.

Now if anyone thinks what i assume is insane then a universal truth must exist ... Else how can i be insane ?

is this correct ?
 
Why the hell is mathematics not universal? It doesn't even have to fit with the state of reality. It's based on axioms. It's pure deduction.

I didn't say it wasn't universal, I simply said that Fifty is assuming it is universal. I don't know if it is universal or not. However, it is a very useful regime of truth(understatement).
 
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