Doom warnings: The 1970's Ice Age scare...

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I've read a few times here and elsewhere the argument that scientists were wrong about their warnings in the 70's of an impending ice age, so they may be wrong about climate change now.

I was interested because I remember watching a science programme (probably the BBC's Horizon) in the late 70's that was about the 'impending ice age' and thinking, as teenager's do, 'cool....' But I don't recall much else about the issue, as I was too busy drinking and chasing girls....:lol:

I thought I would take a few minutes to educate myself on what scientists were saying, were they wrong, and why. Here's what I found:

Climate modelling seems to have started in the most primitive way in the late nineteenth century, and through to about 1960 the concerns were about greenhouse effects and warming, since this was the most basic forcing mechanism identified from the application of chemistry to the atmosphere.

In the period 1940's to 1970s there was a period of cooling which was at odds with CO2 growth. In addition understanding grew of the changes in climate over the last 1m years or so.

These issues led modellers to look for a wider range of forcing mechanisms to explain both short-term and long-term trends.

Two forcing mechanisms proved particularly good in explaining changes - astronomical forcing for long-term trends and aerosol forcing for short-term trends.

Tracing back the 'scientists predicted cooling' comments on a sceptic website led me back to two authors, and an internet search found two papers:

First, on ice age cooling:
JD Hays, J Imbrie and NJ Shackleton, Science, v194, #4270, p1121, 1976/12/10

This paper appears to be the source for the 'scientists said an ice age was coming' claim.

I've not been able to read the paper, just commentary. However the quote below, covering its application to predicting the climate in the future, appears to be key:

Future climate. Having presented evidence that major changes in past climate were associated with variations in the geometry of the earth's orbit, we should be able to predict the trend of future climate. Such forecasts must be qualified in two ways. First, they apply only to the natural component of future climatic trends - and not to anthropogenic effects such as those due to the burning of fossil fuels. Second, they describe only the long-term trends, because they are linked to orbital variations with periods of 20,000 years and longer. Climatic oscillations at higher frequencies are not predicted.
One approach to forecasting the natural long-term climate trend is to estimate the time constants of response necessary to explain the observed phase relationships between orbital variation and climatic change, and then to use those time constants in the exponential-response model. When such a model is applied to Vernekar's (39) astronomical projections, the results indicate that the long-term trend over the next 20,000 years is towards extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation and cooler climate (80).


To summarise, assuming no human influence an ice age can be expected to deveolop over the next 20,000 years.

Is this contention wrong?
Well, firstly not much of the 20,000 years has taken place, so it's a bit early to tell(!), but also the authors are clear that this prediction is only valid without any human intervention. Yet we have significant human intervention in a variety of forcing mechanisms.

So the sceptic contention that the prediction turned out to be false is itself a load of rubbish.


The key paper on short-term aerosol cooling appears to be this one:

Rasool and Schneider, Science, July 1971, p 138, "Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Aerosols: Effects of Large Increases on Global Climate"

This gets a lot of air time because Schneider is a leading proponent of climate change and so his 'conversion' to global warming is presented as a sign of the inconsistency and the flakiness of the climate change case.

Again, I can't find a copy of the paper on-line, but there is a fair amount of commentary

It appears that, using what would now be regarded as a simple model the paper tries to compare the effects of increases in CO2 (increasing the temperature) and aerosol (lowering the temperature) concentrations in the atmosphere.

They come to the conclusion that aerosol forcing is a much stronger influence than CO2 forcing. The conclusion is quoted on the web and reported below:

"Even if we assume that the rate of scavenging and of other removal processes for atmospheric dust [generally & confusingly used interchangably with aerosol in the article (WMC)] particles remains constant, it is still difficult to predict the rate at which global background opacity of the atmosphere will increase with increasing particulate injection by human activities. However, it is projected that man's potential to pollute will increase 6 to 8-fold in the next 50 years. If this increased rate of injection... should raise the present background opacity by a factor of 4, our calculations suggest a decrease in global temperature by as much as 3.5 oC. Such a large decrease in the average temperature of Earth, sustained over a period of few years, is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age. However, by that time, nuclear power may have largely replaced fossil fuels as a means of energy production."

It appears that there were a couple of critical errors in this paper, notably:
- That the calculations of the effect of anthropomorphic aerosol impact ignored the fact that the majority of aerosols occur naturally, so an 8-fold increase in man-made pollutants doesn't lead to anything like an 8-fold increase in aerosols in the atmosphere, and
- That the estimate used for the impact of increased CO2 on global temperature change is about 1/3 the level now accepted as valid.

The study says that if pollution levels had continued to grow at the rate seen in 1970 for 50 years there was a possibility of triggering an ice age. This was incorrect, due to the incorrect calculation of anthropomorphic aerosol impacts.

So climate change sceptics are right to point out that a major climate paper contained errors that invalidated the conclusion.

However, what the study did not say was that the earth is headed for an immediate ice age. It stated that if certain conditions prevailed (major increases in aerosols) then certain climate consequences (significant global cooling) could follow. The basic premise is still valid, but the calculation of effects was wrong.

It's worth saying that these errors were identified and corrected fairly rapidly within the scientific community - the 'Global 2000' report to the Carter administration gave the prevailing scientific concensus in 79/80 as for 'moderate warming'.


My little foray has been quite revealing for me in how climate science is presented - I've spotted examples of almost messianic devotion to the notion of climate change, which is concerning to a natural sceptic like me. It's also obvious that what the media say the scientists are saying is often not what the scientists actually are saying, but a greatly dramatized variant thereof.

I've also found numerous instances of downright lies being used to discredit climate change science:

For instance, take the hockey-stick controversy - do you know (I didn't) that there are a dozen different studies setting out past and predicted temperature trends from various data sets, and every single one is the same shape? It doesn't really matter the outcome of the rather arcane statistical argument ( I speak as a Maths grad) about the specific Mann graph - which incidentally seems to be going Mann's way - if you fit a model to the actual, historic data you end up with a hockey stick shape - end of.

Or take the recently-quoted '555 of 700-odd glaciers are growing, not shrinking'. Turns out the 555 is a typo for 55% made when one article was transposed to another, and the 55% itself appears to have been completely invented, since the article quoted as supporting it at the far end of the chain never existed!

My conclusion is that I would recommend everyone take a good look around before accepting any contentions from media commentary on either side of the debate.

Linkys:
http://www.climatechangeeducation.org/science/index.html
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=74
http://www.scientific-alliance.com/the_debate_climate.htm
http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/
 
All you have to do is look around where you live. We're experiencing a draught we've never experienced. Much more common heat waves. Freak weather like really cold days in summer. Frequency of storms and floods.

Generally, the weather is much less pleasant than it was say 20 years ago when we used to have a semblance of normality.

That and the fact that MOST governments and corporations are waking up to this means we're not dealing with a fad or something possibly wrong.

It doesn't mean we don't have more to learn but we can't deny the facts and that we need to change.
 
Also...

If the current climate change predictions are wrong... we have NOTHING to lose.

If the current climate change predictions are right... we have EVERYTHING to lose.

I'm not going to take that risk.

With or without climate change, we need a cleaner world.
 
I was never around for the issue regarding 'triggering an ice age', so this is all news to me. I was around for the acid rain concerns.

The OP is quite excellent, I appreciate you tracking down the original sources for the concerns. As well, others might know of additional papers that are 'original source' for the concerns that were for triggering an ice age.
 
I remember watching a program on TV a couple of years ago, where they said that an increase of world temperature would lead to the melting of the arctic ice and claimed that its cold streams in turn could change the course of the gulf stream and thereby ironically lead to the next ice-age.

Can't find a source, though. I will keep looking.
 
I remember watching a program on TV a couple of years ago, where they said that an increase of world temperature would lead to the melting of the arctic ice and claimed that its cold streams in turn could change the course of the gulf stream and thereby ironically lead to the next ice-age.

Can't find a source, though. I will keep looking.

Break down of the gulf stream will only affect Western Europe, with most consequences for Iceland, Norway, Schottland and northern Germany; so only local temperatures go down while global average values go further up.
 
You do know of course that apart from in the media this theory has never been debunked, so it's still possible we might be heading for an ice age, however they may have misread the timescale, as it is I think it's more realistic to think we're about in the middle of a warming period and heading towards a gradual cooling period in perhaps 10,000 years but to be honest no one has any idea for sure.
 
You do know of course that apart from in the media this theory has never been debunked, so it's still possible we might be heading for an ice age, however they may have misread the timescale, as it is I think it's more realistic to think we're about in the middle of a warming period and heading towards a gradual cooling period in perhaps 10,000 years but to be honest no one has any idea for sure.
No, we're due for another iceage. We seem to be interfering too much for it though is all.
 
Ice ages do come in cycles, but it is important not to boil until then.

Ecological behaviour is worth to adapt, whether the global warming theory is correct, which most people educated in the field agree on, or not, which most corporations agree. :)

I recycle, use public transport, ... and I am ecologicaly conscious both to stop global warming and to protect nature on smaller scales, because it keeps mankind healthy and sane.
 
People seem to try to find out if a doomsday is due soon. It's weird. Completely unbased prophesies are made all the time. It's weird.

It's weird.

You said weird three times in that post.

Anyways, I don't expect a doomsday anytime soon (in my life of course), unless mankind yet again does something completely ridiculous.
 
Doom warnings are almost always inheritly wrong, and is one of the reasons I refuse to get all panicky about global warming.

Does anyone remember Oprah ranting about the AIDs epidemic and claiming something like more than 80 million people would be dead of it by 1990?

Wrong.

Oprah and the Mad Cow disease scare? Wrong.

Bird flu? Wrong.

The population bomb? Wrong.

Etc. etc. etc.
 
Well the reason for this can be summed up in one word:

Global Dimming.

Heavy, thick pollutants block out the suns rays. This means that less heat energy from the sun is reaching earth. Between 1940 and 1970 global dimming was > than global warming. However with the advent of green-smart choices and techniques the number of pollutants in the air decrased. Global dimming is become less and less a problem, meanign the effects of global warming are becoming more and more prevalent.

Global dimming wasn't theorized until the 1990s and wasn't proven until the early 2000s. This is why many climate models which predicted an ice age by 2020 or catastrophic global warming by 2015 have been wrong: they didnt take into account global dimming.

Also mobboss the H5N1 virus (bird flu) isn't out of the woods yet. It could still become person-to-person and become very dangerous. Remember the swine flu outbreak of 1918? Yeah like that.
 
Also mobboss the H5N1 virus (bird flu) isn't out of the woods yet. It could still become person-to-person and become very dangerous. Remember the swine flu outbreak of 1918? Yeah like that.

I call that fear mongering. Are todays conditions similiar to those in 1918? Hell no. Has health care vastly improved? Hell yes.
 
To tell the truth modern health services are not equipped to deal with any sort of viral pandemic. Perhaps the 1st world could survive lightly, but the 3rd world would be devestated. If 36,000 people die in the US every year from the normal flu, imagine how many would from a disease which has a 50% mortality rate.
 
Some scientiests 40 years ago predicted something that didn't happen. Therefore, we can ignore climate change.

Let's not prance around the issue...this is the point of the thread right? Craaaap.
 
They truely did get it right look at what I live in now.

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The point isn't that we shouldn't listen its that doomsday gloom seldom pans out.
 
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