Slvynn
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Perhaps make it weaker abit, and yes move to more early tech, like maula pistols, or
as another solution - add another tech preq for Liquid Fuel.
DuneWars: Battle for Arrakis
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Perhaps make it weaker abit, and yes move to more early tech, like maula pistols, or
as another solution - add another tech preq for Liquid Fuel.
Ahriman
Tyrant
Deliverator; are you going to get a chance to play today or tomorrow? Or should we skip you this round?
Deliverator
Graphical Hackificator
I should be able to play tonight - approx 6 hours or so from now...
Ahriman
Tyrant
Awesome, that's great. If its not until tomorrow then that's fine too. No particular rush.
Deliverator
Graphical Hackificator
Actually guys, I might skip this turn if negyvenketto wants to take it.
I've been busy this evening and the rest of the week is looking no better. I should be able to join in next time around.
I've been busy this evening and the rest of the week is looking no better. I should be able to join in next time around.
negyvenketto
Scientist
Ok, got it. Will play soon.
negyvenketto
Scientist
I found we have just 5 workers for ~15 cities. Will get some more, they have lot of work to do, build spice harvesters, deep wells, deep mines soon.
Changed civics to Kanly and Water Discipline.
Outpost is a cool feature, extend cultural border.
We are not the most advanced by far
Finished Academies, started Desert Industry.
I found a strange thing. The Fremen researching Imperialism, what we already know, but we can't gift it to them. Why?
Later the same thing apply for the Tleilaxu and Spice Industry
I found a GE in transport, but can't reach CivFanatics due to database error to read what was the plan with him. Decided to settle in Cartag.
Made a mistake. I didn't notice Tleilaxu researching Desert Industry
Lost 3 turns of research. Started CHOAM after the trade.
I hope this was the intended place for the new city.
Bad news Ordos and Corrino made Defensive Pact.
Fremen finished Imperialism and started Water Discipline. Now I can gift him.
He became friendly
Since Fremen going for Sandwarms, after CHOAM I chose Personal Shields.
I think Arrakeen should start Dar Al-Hikman (+100% beakers) after the bank.
Some useful info, we are leading in GDP and production, Ordos in power.
The next target should be Ix. These cities won't be a big headache.
We need to decide when to attack. After finishing Personal Shields and get some Shield Fighters or now. I haven't collected troops to the borders, so a few turns of preparation is needed.
Changed civics to Kanly and Water Discipline.
Outpost is a cool feature, extend cultural border.
We are not the most advanced by far
Finished Academies, started Desert Industry.
I found a strange thing. The Fremen researching Imperialism, what we already know, but we can't gift it to them. Why?
Later the same thing apply for the Tleilaxu and Spice Industry
I found a GE in transport, but can't reach CivFanatics due to database error to read what was the plan with him. Decided to settle in Cartag.
Made a mistake. I didn't notice Tleilaxu researching Desert Industry
Lost 3 turns of research. Started CHOAM after the trade.
I hope this was the intended place for the new city.
Bad news Ordos and Corrino made Defensive Pact.
Fremen finished Imperialism and started Water Discipline. Now I can gift him.
He became friendly
Since Fremen going for Sandwarms, after CHOAM I chose Personal Shields.
I think Arrakeen should start Dar Al-Hikman (+100% beakers) after the bank.
Some useful info, we are leading in GDP and production, Ordos in power.
The next target should be Ix. These cities won't be a big headache.
We need to decide when to attack. After finishing Personal Shields and get some Shield Fighters or now. I haven't collected troops to the borders, so a few turns of preparation is needed.
Spoiler :
Deliverator
Graphical Hackificator
Does that mean we have obtained Fremen Water Debt and aim to build the Fremen melee units?
Fedaykin fighting for us in a final assault on the Emperor would be very thematic...
negyvenketto
Scientist
Yes, I traded for the Fremen Water Debt. One day we can have Fedaykin. Team can decide when. Any idea what to research after Personal Shields?
AnotherPacifist
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Yeah, I directed our only vassal to research Desert Industry as soon as possible...
And how come the Fremen don't want to do a DP or vassalize even when friendly? (Maybe we've given them too much already...and they don't have a threat)
The GE was supposed to build the Art of Kanly in Carthag which will build our southern army quickly. Settling him is OK too.
Malky seems to be the logical next target although we have to be well defended so that we don't get killed by the Ordos-Corrino pact, i.e. we need at least 2 more stacks to be able to attack from the south and the north, but enough troops to defend former Harkonnen land. (Unless we can buy one of them to war on Ix, probably Ordos)
And how come the Fremen don't want to do a DP or vassalize even when friendly? (Maybe we've given them too much already...and they don't have a threat)
The GE was supposed to build the Art of Kanly in Carthag which will build our southern army quickly. Settling him is OK too.
Malky seems to be the logical next target although we have to be well defended so that we don't get killed by the Ordos-Corrino pact, i.e. we need at least 2 more stacks to be able to attack from the south and the north, but enough troops to defend former Harkonnen land. (Unless we can buy one of them to war on Ix, probably Ordos)
Slvynn
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Yep Fedaykin is nice unit to rely on. I say we build as much as possible and then go to conquest.
Heavy Troopers for Stationary Defences , Fireflies As mobile defences and fogbust, ML as collaterial/siege/off-city stacks encounter and Feydaikins as city attacker. ML and feydaikin with our production = win.
Heavy Troopers for Stationary Defences , Fireflies As mobile defences and fogbust, ML as collaterial/siege/off-city stacks encounter and Feydaikins as city attacker. ML and feydaikin with our production = win.
Ahriman
Tyrant
Not strange. "No tech brokering" game option is on, to stop the AI from whoring its tech too much. You can only trade away techs you have researched yourself.
Hmm. It would be tempting to just push straight for Kindjal Blades (did we rename it? The higher level melee one) for Fedaykin and Kindjal soldiers (did we rename?), Air Combat and Industrialism.
I should be able to play this tonight.
Oh, and part of why Fireflies are so awesome is that the intercept chance on wasps and such is just too small. The intercept chance for fighter aircraft should be like 70%, so you really have to send fighters in first before bombers.
Also, should suspensor destroyers and up have a small aircraft intercept chance?
How do people feel about hornet range? Too small and interception missions aren't good enough at defending. Too large and an airforce becomes too powerful, and the stacking limit in cities (an important balancing device) becomes unimportant.
Also: is it just me or can fighters get complete kills on units while bombers cannot; doesn't this seem weird?
Slvynn
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I'll create Air units discussion thread on forums.
Lets keep any mechanics discussion redirected to DW forums.
Ahriman
Tyrant
To start with, 2 turns in, Ecaz declares war. Inevitably. We've known this was coming for a while.
They move their incoming stack of transports onto land, unescorted. DOH!
Bombers and thopters wipe out more transports incoming to the pole.
I really thing that suspensor destroyers et al need some intercept chances.
I wipe out a total of 8 transports worth of units - thats a very big chunk of the Ecazi army.
Thopters start pillaging Ecazi harvester operations.
I get personal shields and start building shield fighters, while beelinging straight for Kindjal blades.
Should this tech require another pre-requisite? Maybe Desert Rites? Naib's chosen seem to mostly be ignored in favor of heading straight for Fedaykin, and it is too easy to beeline straight for the tier3 melee.
The Ecazi homeland is actually pretty poorly defended, some rapid strikes might prove profitable.
But the polar region is even more poorly defended.
Missile troopers can shoot down bombers even while still loaded in transports??
A suspensor stops my units from unloading; land units can't initiate amphibious attacks??
Cave of Tears (mk2) falls!
Three turns of 3x missile launchers bombarding city walls can't even knock it below 100%. Bug??
Coastal thopter raiding is choking off the Ecazi economy. We capture and disband a lot of their workers too.
Their economy is down the tubes.
Liet-Kynes demands that we stop trading with Ordos; we accept. Anything for our noble Fremen leeches....
At least we've gifted them enough stuff that they're not last in score anymore; that honor goes to the BGs.
Tsimpo falls: the entire polar region is ours.
A purchased Heavy Scorpion is a big help.
Ecaz get a Dragonfly bomber (from Homeworld) and start bombing our forces on their island; I evacuate our army (without losses), its not big enough to get through these seemingly impenetrable 100% shields.
Uneventful turns of pillaging and moving forces into position.
Shaddam demands we turn or back on the Fremen. We send him packing.
We launch a major offensive against Ecaz with our new Shield Fighters backed up by heavy troopers, missile launchers and bombers. The Ecazi eagle bomber is very annoying, but we'll still hopefully have enough forces to kill them. Some weak units left as lures trick the AI into attacking with some of its heavy troopers, signifantly reducing the garrison defending its capital.
The Ecazi score has already dropped significantly thanks to our polar conquests, destruction of their army and weakening of their economy through pillage raids.
We trade CHOAM for sandworms from the Fremen, as the noose tightens on Fogwood landing.
Shaddam, the Ordos and their Harkonnen lackies declare war on us just as we close on the Ecazi capital. They fear our righteous fury, and know that this is their last chance to stop us. A might Ordos army advances on Nalour Rock, and our bombers are intercepted by AA fire as we try to weaken their stack.
I purchase a heavy artillery from the guild to try to bombard the hordes.
Something is definitely bugged with bombarding cities with Force shields. They just won't seem to go below 100%, no matter how much artillery I bring to bear! This is going to make taking cities a pain.
Fogwood landing is ours! The Ecazi capital has fallen, breaking the back of the once mighty House. The city contains many Wonders as well.
* * *
So, my set ends having massively weakend Ecaz, with a large enough army on their territory to finish them off.
Some of the cities might not be worth keeping; raze as needed.
We are the dominant power by far.
We are just discovered Kindjal blades, which will let us build units that totally outclass our foes. We'll also be able to upgrade some units to them, to help hold off invasions.
No sign of Corrino forces (keep recon up from aircraft in the polar cities), but we have a major Ordos invasion to deal with. Hopefully we can keep them off our backs!
Our best bet is probably to hold off Ordos and then try to get peace with them asap, while we mop up Ecaz and then move on to take out Ix.
I suggest we go for Industrialism next, we need the extra hammers to pay for the expensive new units we can access.
And switching to a cottage economy (private property, planned economy) might not be a bad idea either.
They move their incoming stack of transports onto land, unescorted. DOH!
Bombers and thopters wipe out more transports incoming to the pole.
I really thing that suspensor destroyers et al need some intercept chances.
I wipe out a total of 8 transports worth of units - thats a very big chunk of the Ecazi army.
Thopters start pillaging Ecazi harvester operations.
I get personal shields and start building shield fighters, while beelinging straight for Kindjal blades.
Should this tech require another pre-requisite? Maybe Desert Rites? Naib's chosen seem to mostly be ignored in favor of heading straight for Fedaykin, and it is too easy to beeline straight for the tier3 melee.
The Ecazi homeland is actually pretty poorly defended, some rapid strikes might prove profitable.
But the polar region is even more poorly defended.
Missile troopers can shoot down bombers even while still loaded in transports??
A suspensor stops my units from unloading; land units can't initiate amphibious attacks??
Cave of Tears (mk2) falls!
Three turns of 3x missile launchers bombarding city walls can't even knock it below 100%. Bug??
Coastal thopter raiding is choking off the Ecazi economy. We capture and disband a lot of their workers too.
Their economy is down the tubes.
Liet-Kynes demands that we stop trading with Ordos; we accept. Anything for our noble Fremen leeches....
At least we've gifted them enough stuff that they're not last in score anymore; that honor goes to the BGs.
Tsimpo falls: the entire polar region is ours.
A purchased Heavy Scorpion is a big help.
Ecaz get a Dragonfly bomber (from Homeworld) and start bombing our forces on their island; I evacuate our army (without losses), its not big enough to get through these seemingly impenetrable 100% shields.
Uneventful turns of pillaging and moving forces into position.
Shaddam demands we turn or back on the Fremen. We send him packing.
We launch a major offensive against Ecaz with our new Shield Fighters backed up by heavy troopers, missile launchers and bombers. The Ecazi eagle bomber is very annoying, but we'll still hopefully have enough forces to kill them. Some weak units left as lures trick the AI into attacking with some of its heavy troopers, signifantly reducing the garrison defending its capital.
The Ecazi score has already dropped significantly thanks to our polar conquests, destruction of their army and weakening of their economy through pillage raids.
We trade CHOAM for sandworms from the Fremen, as the noose tightens on Fogwood landing.
Shaddam, the Ordos and their Harkonnen lackies declare war on us just as we close on the Ecazi capital. They fear our righteous fury, and know that this is their last chance to stop us. A might Ordos army advances on Nalour Rock, and our bombers are intercepted by AA fire as we try to weaken their stack.
I purchase a heavy artillery from the guild to try to bombard the hordes.
Something is definitely bugged with bombarding cities with Force shields. They just won't seem to go below 100%, no matter how much artillery I bring to bear! This is going to make taking cities a pain.
Fogwood landing is ours! The Ecazi capital has fallen, breaking the back of the once mighty House. The city contains many Wonders as well.
* * *
So, my set ends having massively weakend Ecaz, with a large enough army on their territory to finish them off.
Some of the cities might not be worth keeping; raze as needed.
We are the dominant power by far.
We are just discovered Kindjal blades, which will let us build units that totally outclass our foes. We'll also be able to upgrade some units to them, to help hold off invasions.
No sign of Corrino forces (keep recon up from aircraft in the polar cities), but we have a major Ordos invasion to deal with. Hopefully we can keep them off our backs!
Our best bet is probably to hold off Ordos and then try to get peace with them asap, while we mop up Ecaz and then move on to take out Ix.
I suggest we go for Industrialism next, we need the extra hammers to pay for the expensive new units we can access.
And switching to a cottage economy (private property, planned economy) might not be a bad idea either.
negyvenketto
Scientist
with the war. At least we are not declared on while warring with Ix. If you have time, please post the save.
Slvynn
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Btw i like that shield unpoenetrable, as it should be this think makes Harkonnen Traitor very Valuable
But i think 100% is too much.
I'll play today evening more 12 h i think.
Good fights, I say we take more city from Ecaz, deman more 1 and take his capitulation with 1 city demanding stuff as well, or just make peace. And then assault Ordos from 2 sides. Ordos stack look strong but i think we can deal with them With Feydaikins. Very usefull HS right there.
this think makes Harkonnen Traitor very Valuable But i think 100% is too much.
I'll play today evening more 12 h i think.
Good fights, I say we take more city from Ecaz, deman more 1 and take his capitulation with 1 city demanding stuff as well, or just make peace. And then assault Ordos from 2 sides. Ordos stack look strong but i think we can deal with them With Feydaikins. Very usefull HS right there.
AnotherPacifist
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Why won't our Fremen leeches (as you put it mildly) help us at all?! Can't we buy them into helping us at least on paper? 
Ahriman
Tyrant
? Save is posted.
Because they don't have any productive capacity, so don't have an army.
No.... actually it would make the Traitor worthless, because the Traitor would use a bombardment ability.
I don't know what is causing this.
Something to note; the shield graphic does disappear after some bombardment, so maybe something is happening.
Also:
I strongly suspect will have an easier time taking out Ix than prosecuting an offensive war against Ordos (who still have a decent economy) before we have reasonable numbers of Fedaykin/Kindjal soldiers.
And the bombard accuracy on the heavy artillery seems really low; it keeps missing. Maybe we should increase this? See if you manage to hit anythnig with it.
negyvenketto
Scientist
? Save is posted.
My fault, sorry.
I think Spotter Control (+50 % foreign trade) is pretty useless, check Foreign Advisor Info screen. Wind Pass and Nalour Rock are shrinking, please work the wind traps.
And good luck with the war.
My fault, sorry.
I think Spotter Control (+50 % foreign trade) is pretty useless, check Foreign Advisor Info screen. Wind Pass and Nalour Rock are shrinking, please work the wind traps.
And good luck with the war.
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