Dynamic Civ Names

For example,the civ name of German civ is Kingdom of Germany when the game start, but it doesn't turn into Holy Roman Empire even in 1250, and also the name of French civ is still Frankish Empire in 1250.
Actually, I never see the civ Names turn into another one(except of the vassals) , I think this is quite strange, is it a bug?:confused:

P.S.Version RC3

We have extensive lists of dynamic civ names right here in this thread, are they going to be in the next version finally? :)
 
We have extensive lists of dynamic civ names right here in this thread, are they going to be in the next version finally? :)

IIRC I updated most of them
The current DCN cannot handle all suggested conditions, but AFAIK those are the only ones missing
It was a couple months ago when I last checked though, so please report if some of the names are wrong ingame
 
Suggestion:
Use "Imperial States of Germany" as the generic name of German civ.
"Imperial States of Germany" represent there were many states in Germany , the original "Kingdom of Germay " is too "Early Medieval" and seems like a unified country.
 
Really?
You play with RFCE++ by any chance?
I'm not sure what's the status of the DCN there, but for RFCE 1.0 most of them work as stated in the OP in this thread
 
I've noticed this in regular RFCE and RFCE++... In fact, I've even seen names like Hungarian Empire and Kingdom of Great Britain in the regular RFCE.. Kingdom of Britain being one of the ones that bother me most (besides Frankish Empire). Kingdom of Great Britain should only happen when you own the ENTIRE island or it should be removed all together since the name only applies to less than 100 years of the mods timeline. Frankish Empire should be timed so it changes to Kingdom of France either when Germany and Burgundy spawn or by the 980's (the founding of the Capetian dynasty).
 
What do you guys think of this for France:

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Gallia
Vassal of Arabia: Emirate of Frangistan
Vassal of Cordoba : Emirate of Poitiers
Vassal of Spain: Viceroyalty of France
Vassal of Norse/Sweden: Duchy of Normandy
Vassal of Venice: Venetian France
Vassal of Russia/Kiev: Russian France
Vassal of Germany: Western Francia
Vassal of England: Duchy of Chinon
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg France
Vassal of Ottomans: Principality of Frangistan / Eyalet of Frangistan?
Vassal of Burgundy: Western Francia
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of France

Burgundy and Germany vassalized under Merchant Republic with Islam: Western Islamic Republic
Under Merchant Republic with Islam: French Islamic Republic
Burgundy and Germany vassalized under Mechant Republic: Western Republic
Burgundy and Germany vassalized with Islam: Western Sultanate
Under Merchant Republic: French Republic
Islam State Religion: Sultanate of France
Burgundy and Germany vassalised: Western Empire

At least 3 unstable provinces after 987 AD: French Empire
At at least 3 unstable provinces: Frankish Empire
After 987 AD: Kingdom of France
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Kingdom of the Franks

/currently we cannot have DCN names like these:
IF Ile-de-France, Picardy, Normandy, Orléans, Aquitania, Burgundy, Provence, Catalonia, Lombardy, Tuscany, Swabia, Lorraine, Saxony controlled after 987 AD: Western Empire
IF Ile-de-France, Picardy, Normandy, Orléans, Aquitania, Burgundy, Provence, Catalonia, Lombardy, Tuscany, Swabia, Lorraine, Saxony controlled: Frankish Empire
ANY 2 Vassals or more: French Empire
4 colonial projects completed : French Empire/
 
DCN for Hungary:
Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Sirmium
Vassal of France: Duchy of Hungary
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba: Emirate of Hungary
Vassal of Spain, Islam state religion: Spanish Emirate of Hungary
Vassal of Spain: Spanish Kingdom of Hungary
Vassal of Norse/Sweden: Norse Hungary
Vassal of Venice: Venetian Hungary
Vassal of Russia/Kiev: Russian Hungary
Vassal of Germany: German Hungary
Vassal of England: County of Hungary
Vassal of Austria, Islam state religion: Habsburg Emirate of Hungary
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary
Vassal of Ottomans: Principality of Transylvania / Eyalet of Transylvania?
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Hungary

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Islamic Republic of Hungary
Under Merchant Republic: Republic of Hungary
Islam State Religion: Sultanate of Hungary
At least 2 unstable provinces: Hungarian Empire
At least 6 ok provinces: Hungarian Empire
After 1001 AD (cannot be Islam by default of course, that's above on the list): Kingdom of Hungary
Have a Christian State Religion: Kingdom of Hungary
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Principality of Hungary
 
DCN for Spain:
Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Hispania
Vassal of France after ~1200 AD, Islam state religion: French Emirate of Spain
Vassal of France after ~1200 AD: French Kingdom of Spain
Vassal of France: Duchy of Leon
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba: Al-Ispanya
Vassal of Norse after ~1050 AD, Islam state religion: Danish Emirate of Spain
Vassal of Norse after ~1050 AD: Danish Kingdom of Spain
Vassal of Norse, Islam state religion: Visigothic Emirate of Spain
Vassal of Norse: Visigothic Kingdom of Spain
Vassal of Sweden, Islam state religion: Swedish Emirate of Spain
Vassal of Sweden: Swedish Kingdom of Spain
Vassal of Venice: Venetian Spain
Vassal of Russia/Kiev: Russian Spain
Vassal of Germany: German Spain
Vassal of England: Counties of Spain
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Spain
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Ispanya
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Spain

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Islamic Republic of Spain
Under Merchant Republic: Spanish Republic
Islam State Religion: Emirate of Spain
At least 3 unstable provinces: Spanish Empire
At least 5 ok provinces: Spanish Empire
Holding Aragon province: Kingdom of Spain
Holding Castile province: Kingdom of Castile and Leon
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Kingdom of Leon
 
I'm not really sure what to do when a european nation with islamic state religion is vassal of another european nation
Habsburg Emirate of Hungary... Danish Emirate of Spain... French Emirate of Spain...
Do they sound too strange?

What is more straightforward to use: the religion of the vassal country, or the supposed religion of the master?
I mean, when Arabia is master, this is currently used as: Emirate of <vassal name>
Even if the vassal is christian, and even if Arabia is christian :/
So we should also change those to: Arabian Kingdom of <vassal name>, if the vassal is christian, and Emirate of <vassal name>, if the vassal is muslim?
 
DCN for Byzantium:
Vassal of France: Duchy of Greece
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba: Emirate of Constantinople
Vassal of Spain, holding Thessaly province: Duchies of Athens and Neopatria
Vassal of Spain: Duchy of Neopatria
Vassal of Norse/Sweden: Varangian Roman Empire
Vassal of Venice, holding Morea province, Islam state religion: Emirate of Morea
Vassal of Venice, holding Morea province: Kingdom of Morea
Vassal of Venice, Islam state religion: Latin Emirate
Vassal of Venice: Latin Kingdom
Vassal of Russia/Kiev: Russian Tsargrad
Vassal of Germany, holding Constantinople: Eastern Roman Empire
Vassal of Germany: Eastern Roman States
Vassal of England: Counties of Greece
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Greece
Vassal of Ottomans, holding Thrace province: Principality of Thrace / Eyalet of Thrace
Vassal of Ottomans: Principality of Greece / Eyalet of Greece
Vassal of Genoa, Islam state religion: Latin Emirate
Vassal of Genoa: Latin Kingdom
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Byzantium

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Islamic Roman Republic
Under Merchant Republic: Second Roman Republic
Islam State Religion: Islamic Byzantine Empire
Holding Constaninople province: Byzantine Empire
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Eastern Roman States
 
DCN for Cordoba:
Respawned and Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of France: Duchy of Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of Arabia: Emirate of Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of Spain, Islam state religion: Spanish Maghreb
Respawned and Vassal of Spain: Spanish Kingdom of Tunisia / Spanish Kingdom of Oran
Respawned and Vassal of Norse/Sweden: Norse Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of Venice: Venetian Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of Russia/Kiev: Russian Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of Germany: German Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of England: County of Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Tunisia
Respawned and Vassal of Ottomans: Principality of Tunisia / Eyalet of Tunisia
Respawned and Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Tunisia

Respawned and Merchant Republic: Hafsid Republic
Respawned and Islam/no state religion: Hafsid Caliphate
Respawned and Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant: Hafsid Kingdom

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Andalusia
Vassal of France: Duchy of Andalusia
Vassal of Arabia: Emirate of Cordoba
Vassal of Spain, Islam state religion: Emirate of Granada
Vassal of Spain: Kingdom of Granada
Vassal of Norse/Sweden: Norse Andalusia
Vassal of Venice: Venetian Andalusia
Vassal of Russia/Kiev: Russian Andalusia
Vassal of Germany: German Andalusia
Vassal of England: County of Andalusia
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Andalusia
Vassal of Ottomans: Principality of Endulus / Eyalet of Endulus
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Andalusia

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Taifa of Cordoba
Under Merchant Republic: Andalusian Republic
Islam State Religion: Caliphate of Cordoba
Christian state religion: Kingdom of Cordoba
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Duchy of Andalusia
 
The dynamic names look pretty good right now. Most of them do follow a certain pattern (for example Vassals of Byzantium are usually Exarchate of XXXXXX), right?
 
If we intend to change the vassal titles, we should consider to use for

venice: colony (this is what venice used for their possessions)
russia: guberniya (administrative subdivision created by tzar Peter)
turkey: beylik
germany: march (german "Mark" meaning borderland)
byzantium: exarchate up to 630
byzantium: theme from 630 (Byzantine district -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_%28Byzantine_district%29)

For Germany, Habsburg, Burgundy and Spain I can try to work out an approximate historical draft. They are all very tight bound to Habsburg and their possesions

EDIT: ... and we should consider giving the TXT_KEY_DN_... better names. I propose to replace the number at the end with something like "_AS_<master>", i.e. vassal NOR, master VEN: TXT_KEY_DN_NOR15 -> TXT_KEY_DN_AS_VEN
Changing this makes it much easier for translators. If this sounds good to you I can do that quickly.
 
I'm not really sure what to do when a european nation with islamic state religion is vassal of another european nation
Habsburg Emirate of Hungary... Danish Emirate of Spain... French Emirate of Spain...
Do they sound too strange?

What is more straightforward to use: the religion of the vassal country, or the supposed religion of the master?
I mean, when Arabia is master, this is currently used as: Emirate of <vassal name>
Even if the vassal is christian, and even if Arabia is christian :/
So we should also change those to: Arabian Kingdom of <vassal name>, if the vassal is christian, and Emirate of <vassal name>, if the vassal is muslim?
I think a vassal is a vassal and therefore recieves it's name from the dominator. I think we should just use the prefix given by the master, nothing else without any religion prefix. Perhaps we should consider to change the vassals religion to the same as for the master if the master is not under free religion or paganism, this would be historical accurate.
 
EDIT: ... and we should consider giving the TXT_KEY_DN_... better names. I propose to replace the number at the end with something like "_AS_<master>", i.e. vassal NOR, master VEN: TXT_KEY_DN_NOR15 -> TXT_KEY_DN_AS_VEN
Changing this makes it much easier for translators. If this sounds good to you I can do that quickly.

I have some similar WIP changes in the DCN XML

I think a vassal is a vassal and therefore recieves it's name from the dominator. I think we should just use the prefix given by the master, nothing else without any religion prefix.

But we have names like Spanish Kingdom of France, French Kingdom of Italy, Suevian Kingdom of Portugal, etc
What if both the master and the vassal are islam?

Or just simply check Emirate of <vassal name> for Arabia and Cordoba
What if both Arabia/Cordoba and the vassal are christian?

Perhaps we should consider to change the vassals religion to the same as for the master if the master is not under free religion or paganism, this would be historical accurate.

No chance
Would cause huge inconsistencies with stability
And I don't even think it's historically accurate

Also, the same problem would appear under free religion
The master still has a religion, free religion = religious tolerance
Or if the master has "wrong religion":
If we have an islamic Spain, and vassalizes France, how would changing France's religion to islam would help us?
How would Spanish Kingdom of France sound any better?
 
I have some similar WIP changes in the DCN XML
Do you have a template for the names already?
But we have names like Spanish Kingdom of France, French Kingdom of Italy, Suevian Kingdom of Portugal, etc
What if both the master and the vassal are islam?
If we use "viceroyalty" for spanish provinces (with some historical exceptions) vassalized France would become Viceroyalty France. What we can do if something sounds really strange, we could add the NonReligion Attribute and force a fallback to "Province of France", so you have to check with the mouse who is the master.
Or just simply check Emirate of <vassal name> for Arabia and Cordoba
What if both Arabia/Cordoba and the vassal are christian?
same as above, we should start with the simplest mechanism and add special combinations as they arise.
No chance
Would cause huge inconsistencies with stability
And I don't even think it's historically accurate

Also, the same problem would appear under free religion
The master still has a religion, free religion = religious tolerance
In medieval europe it was common to force the vassal to adopt the same religion. But I agree, this is a huge effort to implement and perhaps not worth it (currently).
 
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