Dynamic Civilization Naming - Submit Names Here!
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SadoMacho
spanker of civilizations
About the programming:
Some had the idea of using a new civic coloum for this, but I don't think this would be the right way to do this.
I have tied to look at the MOD that was written for Revolutions MOD (at least I think it was written for that MOD) but I keep getting errors when I try to unzip the file.
Maybe the best way would be something like Rhye did with the changing leaderheads, but I don't know where the code is for this (Rhye?). If it is in the dll file, I can't do it (yet, I don't have a compiler for dll files, if I had one I might that a shot at it.)
EDIT:
I think I just found it in the RiseAndFall.py file
Is this it?
Some had the idea of using a new civic coloum for this, but I don't think this would be the right way to do this.
I have tied to look at the MOD that was written for Revolutions MOD (at least I think it was written for that MOD) but I keep getting errors when I try to unzip the file.
Maybe the best way would be something like Rhye did with the changing leaderheads, but I don't know where the code is for this (Rhye?). If it is in the dll file, I can't do it (yet, I don't have a compiler for dll files, if I had one I might that a shot at it.)
EDIT:
I think I just found it in the RiseAndFall.py file
Spoiler :
Is this it?
Yes, that looks pretty good.
This script also changes city names. Interesting; I have to have a look at the code, there seems to be an awful lot of details hidden in it.
That still leaves the question wether changing civ names is possible at all or wether it is hard-coded. But since this thread has been started, I guess someone knows that it is possible.
This script also changes city names. Interesting; I have to have a look at the code, there seems to be an awful lot of details hidden in it.
That still leaves the question wether changing civ names is possible at all or wether it is hard-coded. But since this thread has been started, I guess someone knows that it is possible.
SadoMacho
spanker of civilizations
I can't find the place were the civs names are located. If you start a normal civ game you can change you civs name. I don't know were this is recored but I think that's the place the python code should write to. Lets first try to give the civs chabging names in all ages.
biggamer132
King
Might I suggest some different names? If you're going to use the various dynasties for the Chinese, you might as well do the same for the Persians:
Ancient: (Pre-Birth)
Classical: Sassanids
Medieval: Timurids
Renaissance: Safavids
Industrial: Qajars
Modern: Iran
what about this?
Ancient- China
Classical- China
Medieval- China
Renaissance-China
Industrial- China
Modern- People's Republic of China
The name is china, nobody calls Britain Hannover, or France Bourbon.
lumpthing
generic lump
That's pretty much how it goes down in this forum. There's about 200 suggesters for every one person who has any idea how to program the suggestions in. I'm one of the ignorant suggesters I hasten to add
SadoMacho: I would like to help but there are several reasons that constrain me, so I fear you will have to do it on your own. But I will think of you when I lie in the Andalusian sun and enjoy my holidays.
lumpthing: At least you are reading other peoples posts which a lot of people in here do not seem to do. Not reading other posts is like not listen in a discussion ... senseless. And it reduces the discussion to oral masturbation. But that sounds more harsh than I intended to do.
Frankly, I am not very constructive either, because I am not willing to do any of the programming work due to several restrictions. So maybe I should refrain from posting, too. But who then keeps my mean posts/day up?
lumpthing: At least you are reading other peoples posts which a lot of people in here do not seem to do. Not reading other posts is like not listen in a discussion ... senseless. And it reduces the discussion to oral masturbation. But that sounds more harsh than I intended to do.
Frankly, I am not very constructive either, because I am not willing to do any of the programming work due to several restrictions. So maybe I should refrain from posting, too. But who then keeps my mean posts/day up?
I thought about it and that's my idea:
Ancient- China
Classical- China
Medieval- China
Renaissance-China
Industrial- China
Modern- China
Why? PRoC with democracy and without State Property sounds odd. China with State Property sounds OK.
Gaius Octavius
Deity
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An idea for Mexico:
If Spain takes over the Aztecs and colonizes Mexico as it should, around the time that the Mexican Revolution took place the Aztecs should respawn under the name of Mexico. Similar to how America spawn out of the British colonies
If Spain takes over the Aztecs and colonizes Mexico as it should, around the time that the Mexican Revolution took place the Aztecs should respawn under the name of Mexico. Similar to how America spawn out of the British colonies
Úmarth
Megalomaniac
My ideas:
(In terms of the issue of foreign domination, I've followed the rule that if the foreign 'invaders' didn't completely displace the populace, and if they ruled from the civ in question rather than the invader's homeland then they count as a successor state, and thus the same civ.
Also, where there's more than one possible name in the same period, I've gone for the one which lasted longer unless the other particular stands out as important.
I've also tried to match up leaders where possible.)
Egypt
Ancient - Kingdom of Egypt (Hatshepsut/Ramesses II)
Classical - Ptolemaic Empire
Medieval - Ayyubid (Saladin really, after all he wasn't Arabic)
Renaissance - Mamluk Sultanate
Industrial - Viceroyalty of Egypt
Modern - Republic of Egypt
India (I've concentrated on the north, since that's where you start in RFC)
Ancient - Indus Valley
Classical - Maurya Empire (Asoka)
Medieval - Delhi Sultanate
Renaissance - Mughal Empire
Industrial - Indian Empire
Modern - Republic of India (Ghandi)
China
(about Dynasties: I don't think there's anything wrong with using dynasty names. After all China as we know it was not always united, but slowly conquered by successive, distinct kingdoms which we call dynasties. But the comparison to European Royal Dynasties is false, not least because their names weren't always related to the name of the emperors)
Ancient - Zhou Empire
Classical - Han Empire/Han Empire (Qin Shi Huang)
Medieval - Yuan Empire (Kublai Khan)
Renaissance - Empire of the Great Ming
Industrial - Empire of the Great Qing
Modern - People's Republic of China (Mao Zedong)
Babylonia
Ancient - Babylonian Empire
Classical - Babylonian Empire
Medieval - Iraq
Renaissance - Iraq
Industrial - Iraq
Modern - Republic of Iraq
Greece
Ancient - Delian League (Pericles)
Classical - Macedonian Empire (Alexander)
Medieval - Byzantine Empire (Justinian I)
Renaissance - Byzantine Empire
Industrial - Kingdom of Greece
Modern - Hellenic Republic
Carthage
Ancient - Phoenician Empire
Classical - Carthaginian Empire (Hannibal)
Medieval - Exarchate of Africa
Renaissance - Tunisia
Industrial - Tunisia
Modern - Tunisian Republic
Persia
Ancient - Achaemenid Empire
Classical - Parthian Empire
Medieval - Sassanid Empire
Renaissance - Safavid Empire
Industrial - Iranian Empire (representing the constitutional monarchy)
Modern - Republic of Iranian (not Islam... because what if its not?)
Rome
Ancient - Senate and People of Rome (Julius Caesar)
Classical - Roman Empire (Augustus)
Medieval - Kingdom of Italy (there's an alt history aspect here, since I can't think of any way to represent all the city-states, and it did at least exist as a title for the HREs)
Renaissance - Papal States (solely because it was centred around Rome)
Industrial - Kingdom of Italy (ie after the Risorgimento)
Modern - Italian Republic
Japan
Ancient - Japanese
Classical - Japanese(afaik Japan was not unified until 600+ under the Emperor, and has stayed under the one dynasty since. Remarkable really. But before that there were only assorted tribes, no states to speak of. Why does it spawn so early??)
Medieval - Japanese Empire
Renaissance - Japanese Empire (Tokugawa)
Industrial - Japanese Empire
Modern - Japanese Empire
Ethiopia
Ancient - Kingdom of D'mt
Classical - Kingdom of Aksum
Medieval - Agaw Empire (ie Zagwe dynasty)
Renaissance - Ethiopian Empire (ie Solomonic dynasty, Zara Yaqob)
Industrial - Ethiopian Empire
Modern - Republic of Ethiopia
Maya
Ancient - Maya (because they were really just an ethnic group rather than any sort of state)
Classical - Maya
Medieval - Maya (Pacal II)
Renaissance - Maya
Industrial - Yucatan (my rationale: the Inca are usually gone by this time, so any resurgence will have the right name. Same goes for the Aztec and Inca)
Modern - Yucatan
Vikings
Ancient - Vikings
Classical - Vikings
Medieval - Vikings (Ragnar)
Renaissance - Kalmar Union
Industrial - Kingdom of Sweden-Norway
Modern - Kingdom of Scandanavia (a kind of hypothetical constitutional monarchy, if the Scandinavism movement of the 19th century had been successful like over nationalalist movements)
Arabia (very hard this one... since the term is so contested to start with and how after the expansion of Islam there were seperate Arabized states in Egypt, Persia and India)
Ancient - Arabs
Classical - Arabs
Medieval - Umayyad Caliphate (Saladin... I suppose)
Renaissance - Abbasid Caliphate
Industrial - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Modern - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Khmer
Ancient - Khmer
Classical - Khmer
Medieval - Khmer Empire (Suryavarman)
Renaissance - Khmer Kingdom
Industrial - Khmer Kingdom
Modern - People's Republic of Kampuchea
(with the European civs, I haven't generally used "Empire" because I think its too limiting. And they weren't like Rome or China, they didn't have an Empire. They were just Kingdoms or Republics with lots of overseas protectorates and colonies)
Spain
Ancient - Iberia
Classical - Iberia
Medieval - Visigothic Kingdom
Renaissance - Kingdom of Spain (Isabella)
Industrial - Kingdom of Spain
Modern - Kingdom of Spain
France
Ancient - Gaul
Classical - Gaul
Medieval - Frankish Empire
Renaissance - Kingdom of France (Louis XIV)
Industrial - French Empire (Napoleon)
Modern - French Republic (De Gaulle)
England
Ancient - Britannia
Classical - Britannia
Medieval - Kingdom of England
Renaissance - Kingdom of Great Britain (Elizabeth)
Industrial - United Kingdom (Victoria)
Modern - United Kingdom (Churchill)
Germany
Ancient - Germania
Classical - Germania
Medieval - Holy Roman Empire
Renaissance - Prussian Empire (Frederick)
Industrial - German Empire (Bismarck)
Modern - Federal Republic of Germany
Russia
Ancient - Scythia
Classical - Scythia
Medieval - Grand Duchy of Moscow
Renaissance - Tsardom of Russia (Peter)
Industrial - Russian Empire (Catherine)
Modern - Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Stalin)
Netherlands
Ancient -
Classical -
Medieval - Duchy of Burgundy
Renaissance - Dutch Republic (Willem van Oranje)
Industrial - Kingdom of the Netherlands
Modern - Kingdom of the Netherlands
Mali
Ancient - Mali
Classical - Mali
Medieval - Ghana Empire
Renaissance - Mali Empire (Mansu Musa)
Industrial - Bambara Empire
Modern - Republic of Mali
Portugal
Ancient -
Classical -
Medieval - Kingdom of Portugal
Renaissance - Kingdom of Portugal (Joao II)
Industrial - Kingdom of Portugal
Modern - Portugese Republic
Inca
Ancient - Inca
Classical - Inca
Medieval - Inca Empire
Renaissance - Inca Empire (Huayna Capac)
Industrial - Viceroyalty of Peru (my rationale: the Inca are usually gone by this time, so any resurgence will have the right name. Same goes for the Aztec)
Modern - Republic of Peru
Mongolia
Ancient - Mongols Khanate
Classical - Mongol Khanate
Medieval - Mongol Khanate (Genghis Khan)
Renaissance - Mongol Khanate (Kublai Khan)
Industrial - Mongol Khanate
Modern - Mongolian People's Republic
Aztecs
Ancient - Aztec Empire
Classical - Aztec Empire
Medieval - Aztec Empire
Renaissance - Aztec Empire
Industrial - Mexico
Modern - Mexico
Turkey
Ancient - Turks
Classical - Turks
Medieval - Seljuk Empire
Renaissance - Ottoman Empire (Mehmed II)
Industrial - Ottoman Empire
Modern - Republic of Turkey
America
Ancient - United States of America
Classical - United States of America
Medieval - United States of America
Renaissance - United States of America (Washington)
Industrial - United States of America (Lincoln)
Modern - United States of America (Roosevelt)
It would be cool if city names could change along with the civ names, where appropriate.
(In terms of the issue of foreign domination, I've followed the rule that if the foreign 'invaders' didn't completely displace the populace, and if they ruled from the civ in question rather than the invader's homeland then they count as a successor state, and thus the same civ.
Also, where there's more than one possible name in the same period, I've gone for the one which lasted longer unless the other particular stands out as important.
I've also tried to match up leaders where possible.)
Egypt
Ancient - Kingdom of Egypt (Hatshepsut/Ramesses II)
Classical - Ptolemaic Empire
Medieval - Ayyubid (Saladin really, after all he wasn't Arabic)
Renaissance - Mamluk Sultanate
Industrial - Viceroyalty of Egypt
Modern - Republic of Egypt
India (I've concentrated on the north, since that's where you start in RFC)
Ancient - Indus Valley
Classical - Maurya Empire (Asoka)
Medieval - Delhi Sultanate
Renaissance - Mughal Empire
Industrial - Indian Empire
Modern - Republic of India (Ghandi)
China
(about Dynasties: I don't think there's anything wrong with using dynasty names. After all China as we know it was not always united, but slowly conquered by successive, distinct kingdoms which we call dynasties. But the comparison to European Royal Dynasties is false, not least because their names weren't always related to the name of the emperors)
Ancient - Zhou Empire
Classical - Han Empire/Han Empire (Qin Shi Huang)
Medieval - Yuan Empire (Kublai Khan)
Renaissance - Empire of the Great Ming
Industrial - Empire of the Great Qing
Modern - People's Republic of China (Mao Zedong)
Babylonia
Ancient - Babylonian Empire
Classical - Babylonian Empire
Medieval - Iraq
Renaissance - Iraq
Industrial - Iraq
Modern - Republic of Iraq
Greece
Ancient - Delian League (Pericles)
Classical - Macedonian Empire (Alexander)
Medieval - Byzantine Empire (Justinian I)
Renaissance - Byzantine Empire
Industrial - Kingdom of Greece
Modern - Hellenic Republic
Carthage
Ancient - Phoenician Empire
Classical - Carthaginian Empire (Hannibal)
Medieval - Exarchate of Africa
Renaissance - Tunisia
Industrial - Tunisia
Modern - Tunisian Republic
Persia
Ancient - Achaemenid Empire
Classical - Parthian Empire
Medieval - Sassanid Empire
Renaissance - Safavid Empire
Industrial - Iranian Empire (representing the constitutional monarchy)
Modern - Republic of Iranian (not Islam... because what if its not?)
Rome
Ancient - Senate and People of Rome (Julius Caesar)
Classical - Roman Empire (Augustus)
Medieval - Kingdom of Italy (there's an alt history aspect here, since I can't think of any way to represent all the city-states, and it did at least exist as a title for the HREs)
Renaissance - Papal States (solely because it was centred around Rome)
Industrial - Kingdom of Italy (ie after the Risorgimento)
Modern - Italian Republic
Japan
Ancient - Japanese
Classical - Japanese(afaik Japan was not unified until 600+ under the Emperor, and has stayed under the one dynasty since. Remarkable really. But before that there were only assorted tribes, no states to speak of. Why does it spawn so early??)
Medieval - Japanese Empire
Renaissance - Japanese Empire (Tokugawa)
Industrial - Japanese Empire
Modern - Japanese Empire
Ethiopia
Ancient - Kingdom of D'mt
Classical - Kingdom of Aksum
Medieval - Agaw Empire (ie Zagwe dynasty)
Renaissance - Ethiopian Empire (ie Solomonic dynasty, Zara Yaqob)
Industrial - Ethiopian Empire
Modern - Republic of Ethiopia
Maya
Ancient - Maya (because they were really just an ethnic group rather than any sort of state)
Classical - Maya
Medieval - Maya (Pacal II)
Renaissance - Maya
Industrial - Yucatan (my rationale: the Inca are usually gone by this time, so any resurgence will have the right name. Same goes for the Aztec and Inca)
Modern - Yucatan
Vikings
Ancient - Vikings
Classical - Vikings
Medieval - Vikings (Ragnar)
Renaissance - Kalmar Union
Industrial - Kingdom of Sweden-Norway
Modern - Kingdom of Scandanavia (a kind of hypothetical constitutional monarchy, if the Scandinavism movement of the 19th century had been successful like over nationalalist movements)
Arabia (very hard this one... since the term is so contested to start with and how after the expansion of Islam there were seperate Arabized states in Egypt, Persia and India)
Ancient - Arabs
Classical - Arabs
Medieval - Umayyad Caliphate (Saladin... I suppose)
Renaissance - Abbasid Caliphate
Industrial - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Modern - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Khmer
Ancient - Khmer
Classical - Khmer
Medieval - Khmer Empire (Suryavarman)
Renaissance - Khmer Kingdom
Industrial - Khmer Kingdom
Modern - People's Republic of Kampuchea
(with the European civs, I haven't generally used "Empire" because I think its too limiting. And they weren't like Rome or China, they didn't have an Empire. They were just Kingdoms or Republics with lots of overseas protectorates and colonies)
Spain
Ancient - Iberia
Classical - Iberia
Medieval - Visigothic Kingdom
Renaissance - Kingdom of Spain (Isabella)
Industrial - Kingdom of Spain
Modern - Kingdom of Spain
France
Ancient - Gaul
Classical - Gaul
Medieval - Frankish Empire
Renaissance - Kingdom of France (Louis XIV)
Industrial - French Empire (Napoleon)
Modern - French Republic (De Gaulle)
England
Ancient - Britannia
Classical - Britannia
Medieval - Kingdom of England
Renaissance - Kingdom of Great Britain (Elizabeth)
Industrial - United Kingdom (Victoria)
Modern - United Kingdom (Churchill)
Germany
Ancient - Germania
Classical - Germania
Medieval - Holy Roman Empire
Renaissance - Prussian Empire (Frederick)
Industrial - German Empire (Bismarck)
Modern - Federal Republic of Germany
Russia
Ancient - Scythia
Classical - Scythia
Medieval - Grand Duchy of Moscow
Renaissance - Tsardom of Russia (Peter)
Industrial - Russian Empire (Catherine)
Modern - Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Stalin)
Netherlands
Ancient -
Classical -
Medieval - Duchy of Burgundy
Renaissance - Dutch Republic (Willem van Oranje)
Industrial - Kingdom of the Netherlands
Modern - Kingdom of the Netherlands
Mali
Ancient - Mali
Classical - Mali
Medieval - Ghana Empire
Renaissance - Mali Empire (Mansu Musa)
Industrial - Bambara Empire
Modern - Republic of Mali
Portugal
Ancient -
Classical -
Medieval - Kingdom of Portugal
Renaissance - Kingdom of Portugal (Joao II)
Industrial - Kingdom of Portugal
Modern - Portugese Republic
Inca
Ancient - Inca
Classical - Inca
Medieval - Inca Empire
Renaissance - Inca Empire (Huayna Capac)
Industrial - Viceroyalty of Peru (my rationale: the Inca are usually gone by this time, so any resurgence will have the right name. Same goes for the Aztec)
Modern - Republic of Peru
Mongolia
Ancient - Mongols Khanate
Classical - Mongol Khanate
Medieval - Mongol Khanate (Genghis Khan)
Renaissance - Mongol Khanate (Kublai Khan)
Industrial - Mongol Khanate
Modern - Mongolian People's Republic
Aztecs
Ancient - Aztec Empire
Classical - Aztec Empire
Medieval - Aztec Empire
Renaissance - Aztec Empire
Industrial - Mexico
Modern - Mexico
Turkey
Ancient - Turks
Classical - Turks
Medieval - Seljuk Empire
Renaissance - Ottoman Empire (Mehmed II)
Industrial - Ottoman Empire
Modern - Republic of Turkey
America
Ancient - United States of America
Classical - United States of America
Medieval - United States of America
Renaissance - United States of America (Washington)
Industrial - United States of America (Lincoln)
Modern - United States of America (Roosevelt)
It would be cool if city names could change along with the civ names, where appropriate.
Just throwing this out there... Gaul I would say classical but there not in as classical... maybe Medieval? My thoughts were that France was mostly a mixture of the Gallics(Celtic) Franks(Barbarians) and the Romans all of which are in the Game. Just an idea...
New Spain really wouldn't fit if they were not vassals or conquered by the Spanish. Maybe Changing names if a Civ becomes a vassal of another... Also just an idea...
I would really like to know how Rhye intends to handle this. If it is going to be solely based on era then I would give some input regarding the suggestions that have been made. If he intends however to implement a more dynamic system based on civics, state religion, vassalage, and perhaps even technology, then I'd imagine I could think of a lot of suggestions for that.
For instance, a Civ should only be the "Caliphate of..." if it controlled the Islamic holy city and had Islam as the state religion, while other civs with Islam as the state religion, or vassals to the caliphate, could be called Sultanates. Should an "Empire" ever become a vassal to someone it should revert to a "Kingdom" (or "Republic" etc. depending on the civics).
Maybe that's all a bit excessive, but I think basing it solely on era is extremely arbitrary, and, frankly, a bit irrelevant.
... and Saladin was a Kurd.
For instance, a Civ should only be the "Caliphate of..." if it controlled the Islamic holy city and had Islam as the state religion, while other civs with Islam as the state religion, or vassals to the caliphate, could be called Sultanates. Should an "Empire" ever become a vassal to someone it should revert to a "Kingdom" (or "Republic" etc. depending on the civics).
Maybe that's all a bit excessive, but I think basing it solely on era is extremely arbitrary, and, frankly, a bit irrelevant.
... and Saladin was a Kurd.
onedreamer
Dragon
Úmarth;5914600 said:
Ok... why call it Ptolemaic Empire if the Greeks didn't conquer Egypt in the game, or why call it Viceroyalty if it's not ?
Something more than a geographical name would be better IMHO.
Mycenean Empire would be better I think.
It would be Republic of Iran. Btw it would be nice to see the name "Persia" at least once throughout History. I think the first 4 can be safely called Persian Empire. Or do we want a really different name for each age ? In this case I propose Sassanid Persia, Achaemenid Persia etc.
Ancient - Republic of Rome
Medieval - Italian States
Renaissance - Italian States (Renaissance was centered around Florence)
onedreamer
Dragon
UU will be long time gone when Rome will respawn (and Italian military wasn't adorable enough to have UU), UB effect pretty much match Italy (bonus to GP). Greece have Alexander as a most modern leader- leaders aren't important.
This is all right, I'm convinced
Yeah, I wonder who ever said that Mexico and the Aztecs are the same ?
Same as French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, and grammatically speaking German and Russian, etc etc...
*yawns* where's the list of things in common ? I was already agreed that italians and romans share the same "spawn" area, but I asked for something else, and I see no answer. About your wiki quote, two things:
1- that statement is against Wikipedia rules. Check "Weasel Words" in Wikipedia for more info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words). It should be reported it as such, as it is nothing more than an opinion expressed as a matter of fact and it's not backed up by any evidence, the "citation needed" says it all.
2- there is nothing like that opinion on the italian wiki. The Romans themselves are not a precise ethnic group.
