Earliest UHVs (or virtual UHVs)

[AnotherPacifist]

So it seems that the first great artist will bulb Literature rather than Monarchy IF you know Aesthetics (which I got from Oracle). Used my great engineer on the Great Lighthouse since Djanet has little production early on (now with Moai it will be good). Tried to help the Great Artist along with partially building the Parthenon (instead of Temple of Artemis) but still spawned either a Great Priest or Great Scientist. Then built Leaning Tower which together with 4 hired artists overcame the Oracle and Stonehenge's influence (so it could have been 6 turns earlier).

I already traded for bronze working, mining, hunting and archery from Carthage and Greece, so it's only a matter of building the Great Wall. I consider this won.

There's always that great priest from Stonehenge which you don't want...

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no images due to lack of space, see below for faster VV

 

[AnotherPacifist]

So I figured what I did wrong last time was to use the Great Engineer on the Great Lighthouse. There's always time to build it. So this time I almost got 10 moves earlier when I spawned a great artist first, bulbed Literature and then tried my best to get a 2nd great artist. When that failed and a great engineer spawned instead, I used him for the Leaning Tower, which overcame the Stonehenge and Oracle even without the Parthenon. So there's still room for improvement (probably 6 turns earlier if I had spawned 2 GAs).

Spoiler :

no images due to lack of space, see below for faster VV

 

[Zagoroth]

I just played up the VV of a 3000 B.C.E. French game. Nothing extremely new to the mix. I settled France and Constance. immediately I fought on two fronts, Taking over the Spanish and Rome. I also sent a galley with a couple of Longbowmen to Britannia and took London. I then eventually settled Dublin and took the rest of the time improving my economy. I made sure to build the University of Sankore and the Spiral Minaret. Rome also had the Temple of Artemis, the Parthenon, the Great Lighthouse, and the Colossus. I will post the UHV when I finish.

Edition: Just finished the French game. I basically just started researching as many techs as possible for a higher score. However my games have slowly but surely been getting rather slow, so I just kept pressing Enter until the game ended.

Second Edition: I was able to have at one point six vassals, which I believe was impossible in the previous version of RFC. Was this changed in the newest version?

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Here the proof for the Egyptian VV. (I wish I had more space to upload pics, I keep reusing the last 500 kb of my account)

The problem with Siwa is that it doesn't allow another city to use the marble except on the NE coast which has no trees to chop to speed up the GL. A city 1W of the dye just misses the marble, and 2 chops are not enough. So Thebes and Per-Wadjet are probably still the best cities for monarch (emperor is a different issue).

Anyway, I got my brand new computer (got an Core i2 processor) so I'm going to see if this makes playing a late game much faster.

Spoiler :

no images due to lack of space, see below for faster VV

 

[AnotherPacifist]

So I decided to go Siwa-Per-Atum (initially not so great, but once hooked up by roads and once you've traded for BW and AH you can build the GL in 14 moves just with 3 population). Spawned 2 great artists (after a lot of reloads to avoid the priest and engineer) and got my culture early on. Do I really have to play on? (yeah, yeah, we know we should stick to the rules...)
Got alphabet (bulbed) math, construction, drama(bulbed), calendar, meditation and almost theology (partially bulbed) before Jerusalem founded Christianity.

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[civ_king]

Dutch Victory 1630, (actual) probably could have done it faster, used two Artists to snag the spice in Siam (4-5), workers in Indonesia (2), and tribute from Monty (1)
just hit enter to win

 

[djenghis]

American UHV 1968.

had a really easy starting situation. 3 british cities flipped to me, and no one was left in north america, only arabs in mexico. could have done it a few turns sooner, but the oil tiles in the middle east wouldnt turn into my tiles even though my cities surrounded it. had to wait till the turks collapsed to claim victory!!

p.s. i did this on custom scenario 3000bc, but only ticked 'random seed on reload' which i used about 3 times. tech trading was allowed, no tech brokering was already ticked and i left it that way. Never had any problems with stability, even scores of +77 once.

p.s.s. title says 1969, but it is 1968 it is just a typo.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Well, I thought reloading was already frowned on (but doesn't really change the outcome if you prepare for it) but random seed on reload makes it a little bit more iffy...

Civ_king if you're doing 600 AD I already have a record up. I'm sure if it's 3000 BC it can be improved if you conquered Mexico rather than allow him to live on.

 

[civ_king]

3000BC, also, I got Monty Fairly early, in the 1500s

 

[Zagoroth]

Fairly early would be more like the 1300's or 1400's, which is around the time that the earliest UHV's were completed. I agree with AP also, it is more reliable just to take the Aztec land then to hope they will trade with you.

 

[Tibur753]

So it seems that the first great artist will bulb Literature rather than Monarchy IF you know Aesthetics (which I got from Oracle).

I am trying an Egyptian game and it seems that with aesthetics the GA wants to bulb Drama. Did you tech that first before bulbing Lit?

EDIT: I just realized I didn't have Poly when I tried bulbing. I was able to get the VV by turn 114 without bulbing Lit so I should be able to shave off a few turns from that.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Well, TDK, I believe you. I used almost exactly the same technique, except that while I was fighting Spain I induced France to sacrifice one of their swords to fight the Spanish (we had a peace treaty), which then allowed my camel archers to heal while I built a missionary to spread to Brest (no Christianity). Then I declared war, captured Paris and Bordeaux, founded 2 other cities with Islamic missionaries waiting, and I just made 40%. I also captured London and eventually liberated it back to the English (who are now pleased with me after switching to Islam).

I did not capture Trapezus yet (because it deters too much from the conquest of Spain). Right now I'm just going to capture it in my GA.

You know what this means though...Rhye will create the Tagmata (like in RFCE) to defend Constantinople so that they can't move, and give it 200% defense.

Just finished Liberalism in 1300.

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[usi]

Mongolia (600AD) won on 1405AD.
I am sure it's improvable, but well, why not put my name on the list because no name is currently listed there.

Not much of a strategy here. Sometimes Mongols start out not at war with China. So, just hope that China will declare war on you.

It's also important that you mostly build settlers (No, not Keshiks!). Just chop, chop, and chop trees. With Caste System, a city can expand its cultural boader just a turn after it's built.

I also tried to make a caravel and get conquerors to raze some Aztec and Incan cities, but just few turns before I upgrade a trireme into a caravel, I won the game, so it meant nothing.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

I am trying an Egyptian game and it seems that with aesthetics the GA wants to bulb Drama. Did you tech that first before bulbing Lit?

EDIT: I just realized I didn't have Poly when I tried bulbing. I was able to get the VV by turn 114 without bulbing Lit so I should be able to shave off a few turns from that.

Yes, you need polytheism to bulb literature. (How come you're not going polytheism for priesthood and Oracle anyway? While the Oracle is being built, you should be researching writing, which is a prereq for Lit anyway, I time it so that writing and Oracle are done at the same time for Aesthetics which is more expensive than anything before other than Lit).

This is a great thread (since we don't have the BUG mod).
www.civfanatics.com/civ4/strategy/greatpeople_tech.php

 

[Tibur753]

I got Priesthood with Meditation because it's cheaper, not realizing that I would need to research Poly later anyway. I will playing another game tomorrow with tech path corrected to Mysticism >Masonry >Poly >Priesthood >Writing >Aesthetics(Oracle) >Literature(GA) >Fishing >Sailing then trade for Mining/BW. This seems like the optimal strategy, correct?

 

[AnotherPacifist]

I got Priesthood with Meditation because it's cheaper, not realizing that I would need to research Poly later anyway. I will playing another game tomorrow with tech path corrected to Mysticism >Masonry >Poly >Priesthood >Writing >Aesthetics(Oracle) >Literature(GA) >Fishing >Sailing then trade for Mining/BW. This seems like the optimal strategy, correct?

You forgot pottery which should be 3rd (to grow those cottages). So you really go from writing to fishing while you wait for the GA to be born: good luck with that--my strategy was to remember when I saved 6-7 turns before, alter the number of artists hired and hope that anywhere from 3-9 turns later I will have a GA; if no GA, I go back to the save and do it again. Obviously OB with Greece and he might even trade you sailing if you have 3 turns to go for agriculture.

 

[djenghis]

Well, I thought reloading was already frowned on (but doesn't really change the outcome if you prepare for it) but random seed on reload makes it a little bit more iffy...

okay, you can disregard my post then. i'll try to do it in regular 'play a scenario' in stead of custom scenario...

 

[Isahn]

Khmer virtual UHV by 1150 A.D.

Hello. I've only been playing RFC for a few months now, so I'm still kind of an amateur, but recently I had an awesome start with the Khmer (that I noted in the "OMG look what happened thread"), in which almost 40% of the world's population was already Buddhist (attachment #1). I'm not sure how often this happens, but it's the first time I've seen it. I easily achieved the UHV, of course, but after seeing no VV for Khmer yet in this thread I decided to see how early I could pull it off, so I loaded up the turn 1 save from that start and made my attempt (3000 B.C. start, monarch, BTS v3.19/ RFC v1.186).

I quickly founded Bang Makok, Hanoi and Jayakarta. One of my Elephants headed to India ASAP. Within a few turns, I found myself negotiating with the entire Buddhist world! India, Persia, Greece, Rome and Japan were all devout Buddhists, and all opened borders with me except for Japan of course. I traded for sailing, calendar and alphabet, and set my research to beeline for music, hoping to be the first to discover it (alas, Greece beat me to it).

I whipped out a bunch of workers to work the plantations and fishing boats for Jayakarta. As soon as I had enough, I switched to caste system and had all three cities work on amassing artists. I might have been able to streamline this a bit more, shaving off a few turns, but by 1150 my 3rd Great Artist had created his masterpiece and my culture was over 12,000! (attachment #2) Since all three of my cities were at least population 10 (attachment #3), and Buddhism was well over 30%, the VV had been achieved.

From 1150 until 1450 I basically turtled, as there was nothing else to do. China invaded during a plague and things got dicey for a bit, but I held out and in 1450 the UHV had officially been achieved (attachment #4). Now, I'll grant this VV was pretty easy as spreading Buddhism, normally the hardest part, was not something I had to worry about. I plan to try something more challenging soon.

 

[BurnEmDown]

For Khmer the VV should be counted when the 12000 culture kicks in (if the world is 30% buddhist or more) then to prove the VV a screenshot of the year 1450 having 10+ population is enough.

 

[Zagoroth]

we should probably stop posting until Blizzrd updates the score, so that there are not two pages of new quickest UHV's for him to look through.