Early GOTM 6 Discussion. (Warning: Spoiler!!)

I'm taking my time, modifying terrain and the like, and all the while, quite enjoying this, ahem, different, map
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It's quite a maze at some points.

The Vikings have been trampled into submission as raging hordes of Veteran Elephants rushed the narrow connecting strip between the Glorious Indians and their uncivilized neighbours. Backstabbing has been the word of the day-suggested by the not-so-great Canute in the "Warrior Strikes Back", and confirmed by Indira in the "Fall Of Trondheim". Tech is slow coming, and Republic/democracy is not a likely choice as I have a massive army that could do without expensive upkeeping.

More to follow. Until then, take bad care of your pet Vikings...
 
It's sloooooowwwww going. Readying my troops for southern combat, should be a quick whipeout of the Celts.

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[This message has been edited by Cunobelin Of Hippo (edited July 07, 2001).]
 
Hey everyone,
This is my first time doing GOTM and I'm really excited. The map is a little tough, seems like the Celts have a big advantage land wise. I managed Pyramids and Great Library. I've built through Punjab. Haven't conquered any cities yet, though I have the Vikings choked off. I normally wait til I have a large science advantage before I make offensives (I might have to change my strategy for GOTM's in the future). I'm currently a republic and going after the Workshop as hard as I can as I think my game depends on it. I'm racing the Celts though who just built Crusade. I think I made a mistake in trading alot of tech with the Celts and then building the Library which probably would have gave me most of them anyway. I'm currently in 1550.
 
Well, in the late 1850's, I'm finally about to discover flight. Geeze, this is normally a late date even to land a SS... yet Spaceflight is not discovered, and no SS is even close beginning construction.

Bummer.... GOTM 6 was just not conducive to a fast and/or early finish for me... right now, I can't even crack 10,000 gold per turn, much less the normally expected 20,000. Probably because I barely have 80 cities (should have about 150 by now), duhhh.... lets hope the game goes better for some of you!
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At the risk of foot-in-mouth disease, just maybe I'll eek out a SS by 1900.
 
I'm sorry to say that but for my first gotm, Emperor level is by far out of reach for my poor brain. I'm now in 1700AD and I only have 13 or 14 cities, size 3-4 each. I'm far behind the other civ in technologies. Just have 2 wonders, and my cities can't grow up beyond 4-5 because unhappy citizen. The Shakespeare didn't work very well, and I failed to build Pyramids. Aztec did it. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif" border=0>
I don't even reckon to survive till 2020.
Aaah, it's horrible. I'll post a screenshot of my pitiful game tomorrow or this afternoon, if you promise not to laugh at me <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0>

Btw, if you wonder why I had a so pitiful game: first I must agree with CornMaster (AAAAARGH I agreed with him, no no! <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0>) the map is sh**tty. Forest and swamp everywhere. Secondly, I didn't play with my usual method but I used Shadowdale's tactic, and tried everything he taugth to me. Obviously, the apprentice is a long long way from his teacher <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>

Edit: oops I did a mistake. Actually my situation is lightly better than I expected. My cities are size 5-7 instead of 4-5. Ok that is not significantly better but since I won't survive long, that's not a problem. Here's my map.

[Sorry, need to remove the map images. Please only post images like city production, powergraph, that don't reveal the map. ~TF]

And there's one thing I don't understand. The vikings are really friendly with me. We got alliance, and so far, 1798AD they're still enthusiastic. They didn't do anything nasty to me. So I'm lucky. a bit
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Originally posted by woke23:
please people, no immages of the map! I havent started this game yet, this is ruining my gameplay.

Well.....it IS a spoiler thread....aka, if you haven't started yet then DON'T READ!!!! You need more self-control.
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But I happen to agree.....the maps are a little overboard. It can give people who haven't started yet a huge advantage! But it's Matrix's and TF's domain...and I have no power here.
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GenghisK, Is it possible for you to get into Republic, since you alliance is holding, then Celebrate up to medium size? Your city distribution should allow fairly low corruption.

I see you don't have any ships yet, but if you can bribe a passing ship, or build one to explore at least the coastal water and make contact with a couple neighbors. Its a real handicap not to have passing barbs to supply you shome ships and units.

Prospects are fairly good for another Alliance, or ar least contact, trade, and peace... since you're probably below most others on the Power graph. Maybe treat it as sort of an extended OCC game (e.g., an OCC with about 10 cities of support
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It looks funny for an AI to be threatening you with horsemen in the 1700's, LOL! Or are they your allies, defending your island city, hehe...

Assuming you are weak if (when?) you finally get a SS, be prepared to destroy your own capital (move it to a size one city, then buy a settler there). That way, they can't stop your SS (unless of course, they totally wipe you out).

Keep a save of your game from this era; it might be a good one to use as an informal "challenge", to see how others try and "come back" from the brink. I wouldnt't mind giving it a try for fun.
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BTW, love your city naming system!
 

posted July 06, 2001 06:43 AM
Please people, no immages of the map! I haven't started this game yet, this is ruining my gameplay.

It is my assumption, in absence of other guidance to the contrary, that people read the GOTM reports to learn how others paly/approach the same general problems.

I assume people don't read/look at parts that might spoil the state they are in, as it regards their own GOTM progress. It seems that many would like to learn from what others have done, strategies, etc. so their own gameplay can improve, and this is the thread to discuss it. Looking back, in past GOTMs, it seems to be the custom.

About the maps, "a picture is worth a thousand words" as they say. In principle, there should be no distinction between describing a situation and depicting it.

IMHO, if you have not already plowed pretty far into your own GOTM, you don't want to be browsing this thread at all
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Anyway, it's my understanding that by sharing info that the real purpose of the GOTM is to help others learn new styles of play, and improve as a result. Personally, I'd like to see the vast majority of GOTM entrees all be able to contend for the top spots after several rounds of GOTMs
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Right now, and especially in this particular GOTM #6, I think there is a very wide gulf in GOTM progressions. There was a pretty huge gap in the GOTM 5 results, and that was a much easier map (IMHO). I for one find it helpful to me to see and learn how others have faced similar situations.

So hey, I feel if someone has not progressed far enough along in their game to feel comfortable in looking at the monthly "spoiler" thread, that one should simply either play themselves into the game beforehand or not browse the thread
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Well, I'm in 1808 now. I got the Workshop. I'm in Democracy and my science is starting to rock. I keep getting forced into peace which is really screwing up my conquest of the Vikings. I've only taken Uppsala (bought). I tried to use cannons to take another city but it's tougher than I thought. I don't think I'll get Trondheim til I get Calvary. I think at this point I'll have to go for a SS which should be do-able (maybe the 1930's).

While I only have about 20 cities, they are all strong and I'm installing Sewer Systems in about 5 cities right now.
 
Starlifter, actually I'm on democracy. Would you believe me if I told you that all my cities are quite defenseless and don't have granaries for most of them? That's the case actually. Ok, I'll try to go on celebration. But it's hard. I'm really far behind in the tech race. Can't waste resource for luxuries. Concerning ships, yes I have 2 caravels sentrying on 2 of my cities, don't remember which ones. I can't take them out too often though, because I'm under Democracy (so no unit with attack != 0 out the city) And yeah I use dipos to buy some barbarians that are too near my cities
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concerning the "allies" on my island. Actually, I just built my city when they got out from a transport. Then, instead of taking my defenseless city, they kindly ask to talk to me. I exchanged knowledges with them an had an alliance too. So they're kinda protecting me. So I have 2 powerful allies with whom I share my map!

And glad that you appreciate my cities name. What I wanted to do was to create sentences
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Like this, in chronological order.
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Et voila!
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Keep a save of your game from this era; it might be a good one to use as an informal "challenge", to see how others try and "come back" from the brink. I wouldnt't mind giving it a try for fun.
Sure I will
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And thanks for your support. I appreciate it.

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Ok, I'll try to go on celebration. But it's hard. I'm really far behind in the tech race. Can't waste resource for luxuries.

If I may suggest... with Allies around, don't worry about defense. If necessary, defend with diplomats and caravans... disband units that cost support, and rebuild them on down the road with better tech.

Key note: as you grow on the power graph, try not to "bump" into you allies; they may start making demands. Spend all your money on economic improvements, and on PRBs of freight/caravans.

Do not keep more than about 50 gold in the bank at the end of each turn, for 3 reasons. (1) - Allies may demand it (2) - It can better be used on another Freight or Bank, Aquaduct, etc. (3) Extra money is not necessary to help prevent subversions.

Remember, when celebrating, luxuries are not a "waste"!!

Concentrate on the cities that have the most potential for science and trade. Get them to grow, pronto.

Use whatever luxuries you need to get WLTP going, even 100% if necessary. Rush and/or partial rush buy only what is necessary to keep the growth going. It's gunna "hurt", but it will pay off later. To be in a democracy with small cities that are not celebrating is what really hurts. In about 6 or 8 turns, you will be in far better shape.

Once you get your cities up to 12, 17, 22... use the economics to begin taking enemy cities one by one. Start by subverting those that are not in a democracy, and far from the AI's capital. Save up... even one new city every 3 turns will win you the game in the long run because you still have about 196 game turns left
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Keep the alliances no matter what for now, so you don't have to gear up for war with military units. Build caravans/freight, and deliver them overseas. They will fund your victory... and I guarantee you can win that game, though probably not until about 1950 or so. And I also am sure you can do it by conquest or by SS... your choice.
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Originally posted by Az:
Yes but what is the point of discussing of the possibilities for a game if they don't take our opinion into consideration!

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Sorry Az. I was in a rush to create the game and didn't look at the possibilities discussion thread. In the future me and matrux will consider the suggestions in the thread, although we might not follow them 100%. GOTM is about surprises.
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ok thanks.

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In the game I'm in 1300 AD

Actually I'm not doing so well since all other civs are more advanced than me in science.
I have about twenty citys.
I hope to get all these techs by conquest.

I may start this conquest a bit late but I'm quite powerfull
I've got 5 catapults and 3 elephants (all vets) launching an attack against the english.
Another three chariots, 3 cat. and two elephants attack the celts.

One of the best moves I made was crushing the Vikings in about 2500 BC with a horsman and an archer I got from the hut that was next to their capital

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[This message has been edited by Az (edited July 06, 2001).]
 
Everyone, please don't post images that reveal the map. They reveal too much secrets of the game and remove a sense of adventure for some players who "accidentally" enter this thread.
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But images like city production window, powergraph, score screen, and top 5 cities are ok... This thread is VERY interesting to read (even w/o those map images).

Thanks.
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I built a city on the forest near the Vikings very early, and Great Wall allowed me to have peaceful relation with other civs for most of the time. By 1786 AD, I have only taken 1 Viking city by force and bribed one English city. The Celts are doing really great in my game.
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There still remain something I can't deal with. Once celebrating, I grow up fantastically. But once, I get the luxuries back to 10-20% to get science go on, civil disorders are back, and I waste my men to have them become artist => not enough food = starvation => goto start <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0> So there's no point...

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As you can see it's hopeless. I'm 3rd or 4th in 1832, so the game is near the end, I haven't got flight nor space flight, and I can't conquest.
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I'm dead. AAAAAh
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I wonder how Thunderfall can be so powerful.
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posted July 07, 2001 09:57 AM
There still remain something I can't deal with. Once celebrating, I grow up fantastically. But once, I get the luxuries back to 10-20% to get science go on, civil disorders are back, and I waste my men to have them become artist => not enough food = starvation => goto start So there's no point...

It is important to know that you cannot drop the luxuries to 10%, and probably should not use 20%, unless you want to stop celebrating.

Here is my general rule in a democracy: At least 30% lux... Often, before Cure For Cancer, and maybe Women's Suffrage, it may well be 40%. Once I switch to Democracy, I'm normally always growing a lot of cities, be they captured ones or newly founded ones.

In your case, because of the map I saw that you posted (before TF removed the maps), it will probably make more sense for you to grow at 40% or so, then drop to 20% and stop celebrating. Don't bother with 10%, as I'm pretty sure you don't have the trade routes/wonders/improvements to handle that.

So, unless you have trade routes and banks/coliseums, you may well have to use entertainers (or multiple taxmen/scientists). As you build infrastructure and get OVERSEAS trade routes, your cities will become content (but probably not "happy") without entertainers.

Remember, you goal is to build & grow now, then conquer later, yet subvert/revolt the enemy if the opportunity arises.

Based on the map I saw before it was deleted, and assuming you still have your alliances, you should have almost no military. Build those freight, and dump them into an overseas Republic/Democracy. Find the biggest city a reasonable distance, and send all your freight there, unless the commodity is a highly valuable one and you see the suitable overseas recipient. The bonuses you get should net you from 300 to 1500 gold for each freight, partly depending on exactly what tech has been discovered by everyone in the game so far.

Build up your gold (and science will come from freight/caravans, too), and target specific cities to take, one by one.

Try and send a transport with a dip (spy is even better) and some freight, then find some other AI civs. Do some trading, and trade maps if they are "worshipful" or maybe "enthusiastic" after the tech trading is done. Do not violate current alliances <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>.

Remember, as you grow and get tech, other civs (even you allies) will become less and less happy with you, so take full advantage of your weakness right now!

BTW, see the vertical in your power graph in recent years? That's a sure fire indicator someone is celebrating from a very weak starting position... it means your empire has bee no where near its potential for hundreds of years. A vertical rise can also be an indicator of conquest, if it coincides with the equally sudden decline of another civ.

Stay in Democracy, focus on trade and growth, make peace, don't bother your allies, and subvert anyone (including allies) when able. BTW, if you don't have them, try and get Corporation & Espionage ASAP!!

EDIT: Spelling.

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BTW, after looking at the Power Graph, you situation is not as dire as you might think, but I don't want to make you too happy. You will crush the world. It is so funny that the Aztecs are #1. Guaranteed they are not expanding rapidly, they are "just" making huge cities. The Celts, however, are guaranteed to have a large number of cities are are the "real" military threat in the long run.

If possible, load up some ships (try and ship-chain) and get a bunch of freight to the Aztecs... they are definitely in a republic/democracy, and you'll get huge bonuses. If you don't see Aztecs on your map yet, use the "find city" function to locate one of their cities that has built a wonder. Use this info to guide your ships into the black undiscovered void. Try and send a ship with a dip in first, in case it is sunk before you establish contact. Them make peace/ally, and ship-chain those freight in and don't let up!
 

posted July 06, 2001 09:03 PM
Everyone, please don't post images that reveal the map. They reveal too much secrets of the game and remove a sense of adventure for some players who "accidentally" enter this thread.

LOL, well actually ... ROTFL
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Such a funny think to observe about "players who 'accidentally' enter this thread", when you think about it!

OK OK, So some people don't want the GOTM spoiled, yet they are reading the "spoiler" thread where anything and everything might be described in detail... hehehe. *wink* *wink* Alrighty, we won't post any maps in the spoiler thread, so things won't "accidently" get spoiled by those unspoiled players who have not yet played (or advanced very far), and whom are thusly spoiled.

Hey Woke, I'm really not hacking on you... but the thought of an 'unspoiled spoiler' seems like an oxymoron (contradiction in terms) to me, LOL!

OK, so let it be written... no more posting of inline map images in the spoiler thread
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