East Asia Map 2016-10-05

[Iovah]

Here's an East Asia Map. I made it quite a long time ago, but I worked quite hard on it. It details from Xinjiang to Manchuria and Japan, and NE India to Taiwan. The only thing I didn't like about it was the Sichuan basin of China which looks a little incorrect, I messed around with it, but this is as good as I could get it. I felt it should have been further North. Tell me what you think.

-Christopher C. Heselton Ê·á¿ (Shi Zheng)

 

[Amenhotep7]

NICE!!! I love it, Iovah. Welcome to CFC!

 

[Mobilize]

Great map, the best of this region I've seen. Welcome to CFC!

 

[tarantulism]

Thank You For Your Maps.
I've been waiting For map like this.
This's it!

 

[LouLong]

Size 160 X 160.

Preview :

 

[jatibi]

wow... looks great

 

[kulade]

Woah! Great map!

 

[bombshoo]

Ah damn...Now I have to switch my Boxer Rebellion map to this one.

Great map!

 

[Giao-long]

what? no vietnam?? no j/k nice map

 

[Eastern Knight]

wow, great one! Better than the one I made.

 

[lth0420]

It`s great map!
I think it`s the best map of Eastern Asia

 

[Keinjuan]

The place of origin for korean civilization is wrong.
It did not begin in the peninsula, but rather in Manchuria.
Go search for history of korea in wikipedia.

anyways, a great map! Best map ive seen in this forum

 

[Virote_Considon]

If Korea started in Manchuria, then Korea probably wouldn't settle into the peninsular

Also, you may want to look at the date of the last post before you post- some of the members here don't really like it when people bump up very old threads

 

[Keinjuan]

oops. sorry. i am not used to this kind of forum and didnt realize that.

btw, just do a simple search in wikipedia or google or something. Korea did start in machuria and then expanded into the peninsular. Gojoseon, the first korean kingdom, was located around Liaoning(current chinese name) and southern manchuria. After about 10th century, Jurchen+Khitan took over manchu(following collapes of Balhae Kingdom), and later chinese occupied the land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojoseon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Three_Kingdoms_of_Korea_Map_with_modernborders.png

If you are going to dispute this or whatever, dont just put a blah-blah next time. Its not very respectful.

 

[Virote_Considon]

I'm not disputing it, I'm stating that the AI probably will not bother to expand into the peninsular

 

[mountedantman]

this would be a great map to make an imjin war scenario. A war between japan and korea, with some chinese alliance with korea. Meanwhile china could be having her own troubles with the rebels. it is focuse more north, showing more manchu it would be great

 

[Iovah]

oops. sorry. i am not used to this kind of forum and didnt realize that.

btw, just do a simple search in wikipedia or google or something. Korea did start in machuria and then expanded into the peninsular. Gojoseon, the first korean kingdom, was located around Liaoning(current chinese name) and southern manchuria. After about 10th century, Jurchen+Khitan took over manchu(following collapes of Balhae Kingdom), and later chinese occupied the land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojoseon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Three_Kingdoms_of_Korea_Map_with_modernborders.png

If you are going to dispute this or whatever, dont just put a blah-blah next time. Its not very respectful.

Keinjuan,

I am aware of Gojoseon, and even though wikipedia may say that and Korean nationalist historians claim a connection to Gojoseon, but claiming a direct connection to Korea is a problematic issue. The Gojoseon did not have a concept that they are "Korean" in the way a Korean today would. The peoples of the region that today we call North East China had a very diverse and fluid concept of ethnicity. People from this region would certainly play a role in the development of state societies later in the Korean penninsula, but this did not mean they saw themselves as "Korean" nor that it means that "Korea" was some how larger. In fact, even up unto the late 18th century, the mountains of central North Korea were occupied by people who spoke a language more closely related to Jurchen than modern Korean. Even in regions like Kanto - where the Gogoreyo capital was and which today has a significant Korean population - in the 14th to 17th century we know it was so ethnically mixed that everyone was multi-lingual and many were from ethnically mixed families that were impossible to define by our biological concept of ethnicity and national identity.

This is simply a problem with the game which is based on concrete concepts of national identity versus much more convoluted realities during a time when ethnic identities were not drawn in stone. As a result, it is hard to say what state-society should begot what modern nationality. Similarly, what state in the Warring states period of China should be considered the roots of China? There were multiple kingdoms and they only ruled small regions in the Central plains. Southern Chinese in the 2nd millenium BCE did not even speak Chinese, nor considered there to be much of a relationship with the northern states, but today they are unquestionably considered quintessential Chinese.

In sum, it is an imperfect system to say where a "civ" should start, because we are taking modern ideas of nationality and constructing a teleological narrative to a past state-society that did not share our concept of nationality.

 

[BadKharma]

Iovah,

Really you bumped an aged thread to refute something that was posted June 16, 2007?

 

[timerover51]

Iovah,

Really you bumped an aged thread to refute something that was posted June 16, 2007?

Perhaps he feels very passionately about the subject.

 

[mountedantman]

Hey, is there a way to cut out he western half of the map somehow?