podraza
Warlord
If you took 3 cities and turned them into super Great Artist Cities using caste system, could you win a cultural victory without having to bother with religion?
Easily?
Easily?
Easy Cultural Victory?
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ChicagoCubs
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Cathedrals seem to be the key to cultural victories due to their +50% culture. So it would be tough without religion.
You need to get 50,000 cultural points (for normal speed on a normal map) in three cities. That would be 38 great artists for culture bombs. Even if you had your GP Farm geared to produce great artists, I don't hink you'd crank out that many in a game.
Even if you back out that the three cities would generate some culture on their own, you are still talking about needed 20-25 great artists.
edit: Oops, thought you meant trying to use great artists. I see you mean artist city specialists.
You need to get 50,000 cultural points (for normal speed on a normal map) in three cities. That would be 38 great artists for culture bombs. Even if you had your GP Farm geared to produce great artists, I don't hink you'd crank out that many in a game.
Even if you back out that the three cities would generate some culture on their own, you are still talking about needed 20-25 great artists.
edit: Oops, thought you meant trying to use great artists. I see you mean artist city specialists.
johnny_rico
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In my first cultural victory, I had only one religion. I founded zero, one spread to me, and I spammed it to my cities and got a cathedral in each. I had a GPF that generated 14 or 15 GA's. The rest of the culture came from the 15+ towns in each of the three cities when I turned the slider to 90/100%. Free speech also helped.
This was played with victoria though, which is about as easy as a cultural victory gets.
Anyway, that said, I think cottages and peace (nice neighbors) are the key to a cultural victory.
This was played with victoria though, which is about as easy as a cultural victory gets.
Anyway, that said, I think cottages and peace (nice neighbors) are the key to a cultural victory.
Arlborn
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Cultural victory is a really easy victory, not as many think. You dont even need religion at all to win if you are good hehe, just beeline to music, stopping to get some basic techs, then beeline to Mass Media, again stopping to get some techs like, of course, the one to Free speech, and Nationalism for the Hermitage for example, while that leave your cultural slide only at 10% and research as max as possible, then when you finish mass media, just put cultural at 100, build all those cultural modern wonders, use your cultural bombs and enjoy 
podraza
Warlord
I guess I'm just asking if anybody has done it this way before and wants to comment. Each artist produces 4 culture per turn, correct? And earns points towards Great Artists. So maybe with philosophical and pacifism this could be quite an easy way to win culturally.
Instant_Cereal
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Use Ramesses II, he's great for cultural victories. Also, your key points are free speech (100% culture), as many wonders as possible, caste system, and religions. I won a culture victory around 1600 with Ramesses II and had 4 religions thoroughly spead amongst my empire. My 3 cities were eventually producing 800 - 1100 culture points per turn.
I'm not sure if I understand 'the challenge' - no religious buildings and confined to three cities?
If so ...
... it would be tough (at Monarch+) because you don't get the Globe Theatre and several other National Wonders that bring
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Tough, but I'm sure hardly impossible.
If so ...
... it would be tough (at Monarch+) because you don't get the Globe Theatre and several other National Wonders that bring
and . Tough, but I'm sure hardly impossible.
Mr. Civtastic
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I got a culture win with five cities on Monarch with Bismark, vanilla. The key was I was able to build lots and lots of wonders in two of my cities, then use gp to push the third over the top. Without using religion, it would definately be harder...I know I had the religious buildings of the time. I would make sure to grab Hermitage and put it in one of those cities. Another trick for the late push is grabbing Biology to increase your gp farming.
on this one I must say it's just crazy.
Even having more than 3 cities!
Let's assume you run caste sytem and 5 artists / city.
Let's say you allow this situation to run for 400 turns (which is wrong, since the game ends when an AI launches and you don't have caste system from the scratch+ you don't have enough pop to run 5 artists from the start)
that makes 5 x 4 x 400 = 8000 culture/city.
Even if this situation is really going to give you a lot of great artists, you still need 42.000 = 13x4000 culture.
that makes 39 required great artists!
Let's be very kind and assume you manage to tech to liberalism this after 100 turns.
that's 2000 culture for 100 turns then 12000 culture.
making a grand total of 14000 before culture bombing.
You're still 36000 culture away, so 9 GA/city = 27 total.
That's still a lot!
ANd I've been very kind with my assumptions...
Even having more than 3 cities!
Let's assume you run caste sytem and 5 artists / city.
Let's say you allow this situation to run for 400 turns (which is wrong, since the game ends when an AI launches and you don't have caste system from the scratch+ you don't have enough pop to run 5 artists from the start)
that makes 5 x 4 x 400 = 8000 culture/city.
Even if this situation is really going to give you a lot of great artists, you still need 42.000 = 13x4000 culture.
that makes 39 required great artists!
Let's be very kind and assume you manage to tech to liberalism this after 100 turns.
that's 2000 culture for 100 turns then 12000 culture.
making a grand total of 14000 before culture bombing.
You're still 36000 culture away, so 9 GA/city = 27 total.
That's still a lot!
ANd I've been very kind with my assumptions...
podraza
Warlord
Thanks Cabert.
This isn't a challenge, I was just wondering if it was a possibility. Seems that it isn't.
I have some sort of irrational aversion to religion in Civ 4 and am always looking for substitutes or ways to avoid it. I say irrational because it has nothing to do with religion per se, and investing shields and beakers towards religion is no harder than investing them towards anything else. It makes no sense at all. But I still hate it.
This isn't a challenge, I was just wondering if it was a possibility. Seems that it isn't.
I have some sort of irrational aversion to religion in Civ 4 and am always looking for substitutes or ways to avoid it. I say irrational because it has nothing to do with religion per se, and investing shields and beakers towards religion is no harder than investing them towards anything else. It makes no sense at all. But I still hate it.
