Embassy to Team Sirius

[SilentConfusion]

Here's a draft of a reply to Sirius preceded by their letter to us and a suggestion posted by Sommerswerd for reference.

Hail SilentConfusion and The AMAZON

Our people were delighted to receive your latest correspondence. We would like to confirm that our research towards Alphabet is indeed well on track. We look forward to the sharing of ideas that this will allow.

Voyager was quite pleased indeed to see the borders of The AMAZON as well.

We agree that the duplication towards Sailing is unfortunate. Our people were very eager to explore Andromeda (Jennilund) however. We had in fact recently noticed that our research in this was progressing faster than expected, and suspected that our researchers were borrowing ideas from things they had seen in the waters around The AMAZON, however by the time we noticed this it made more sense to press on and complete the research. We agree that avoiding this duplication in the future would be much preferred.

We have held a vote, and decided to adopt Diana's Plan: "Immediate Permanent NAP, subject to cancellation at any time with 15 turns notice". We are pleased to begin this agreement straight away.

However, we also wonder whether it is possible to eat our cake and have it too, by agreeing to both plans. This gives both the desirable sense of permanence of Diana's Plan, and the additional short-term security of Hera's Vision. We are interested in your thoughts on this.

Regards,

This is a suggestion posted by Sommerswerd:

We have enjoyed our friendship with the Sirians, and are very interested in discussing an expansion of our friendship. Princess Diana was so pleased that the Sirians accepted her plan that she immediately mentioned planning a special ceremony to make the Sirians honorary Members of The AMAZON. Our elders will discuss such an eventuality further and contact you soon. In the mean time, we look forward to receiving Alphabet in our upcoming trades with you on turn 51.

On an unrelated topic, our second intrepid explorer, Martha got "lost" on her voyage eastward. She claims that she lost track of navigational star, but we suspect that she may have just overslept after an impromptu, un-sanctioned AMAZON drinking party aboard the vessel. A full investigation into her fitness as an explorere is currently underway. The silver lining of her unscheduled detour was that she was able to spot Voyager speeding along on the horizon behind her... With our vessels so close, hopefully the opportunity to co-ordinate the exploration of a landmass will soon present itself. When the time comes, would the Sirians be interested in splitting our vessels paths, so that we can explore more quickly? Of course the fruits of any such joint-venture would be shared equally.

Here's a draft of a reply:

Greetings again to our friends the Sirians:

We are glad to hear that we will soon be able to share our technological breakthroughs with each other. Our researchers are focusing their energies in areas that they think will help them discover a form of government that places the power in the hands of one person (we're calling it Monarchy). Our researchers recently discovered Masonry and will soon discover the secrets of Polytheism. Although the secrets of Polytheism have already been discovered elsewhere in the world, we are hoping that we might be able to be the first to postulate a theory of the existence of only one god, something our thinkers have speculatively called Monotheism. Such a discovery would be a great religious breakthrough for our people, one that we would happily share with our friends, the Sirians. We look forward to receiving Alphabet from you on turn 51, at which time we can share all of our discoveries with each other.

We have enjoyed our friendship with the Sirians, and are very interested in discussing the expansion of our friendship. We have taken a major step by agreeing to a mutual non-aggression pact, and we, also, are pleased to start our part of the pact right away. Princess Diana was so pleased that the Sirians accepted her plan that she immediately suggested planning a special ceremony to make the Sirians honorary members of The AMAZON. Our elders will discuss such an eventuality further and contact you soon. In the meantime, we are happy to discuss any matters which might bring us closer together as we seek to build an even stronger bond between ourselves and our neighbors the Sirians.

On an unrelated topic, one of our intrepid explorers, Martha, got "lost" on her voyage eastward. She claims that she lost track of a navigational star, but we suspect that she may have just overslept after an impromptu, un-sanctioned AMAZON drinking party that took place aboard the vessel. A full investigation into her fitness as an explorer is currently underway. The silver lining of her unscheduled detour was that she was able to spot Voyager speeding along on the horizon behind her. The crew of the Voyager were able to give Martha a few pointers on the correct use of stars before they both continued their journeys. With our vessels so close together, hopefully the opportunity to co-ordinate the exploration of a landmass will soon present itself. When the time comes, would the Sirians be interested in splitting our vessels paths so that we can explore more quickly? Of course the fruits of any such joint-venture would be shared freely and equally in the spirit of our ongoing mutual cooperation.

The people of The AMAZON are happy that we have agreed to a deal that will help assure that there will be peace between our two nations. This gives us cause to celebrate (and we know how to celebrate here in The AMAZON). Our people are very optimistic about the burgeoning relationship between our two peoples.

We look forward to your reply.

Best wishes,

SilentConfusion, AMAZON diplomat

 

[SilentConfusion]

As it is late here (2:30AM my time) I will let this sit overnight, giving people a chance to look at it and comment on it.

This paragraph seems a little redundant and could probably be worked into the NAP paragraph.

The people of The AMAZON are happy that we have agreed to a deal that will help assure that there will be peace between our two nations. This gives us cause to celebrate (and we know how to celebrate here in The AMAZON). Our people are very optimistic about the burgeoning relationship between our two peoples.

Please make comments or suggest possible changes, and we can get this out quickly and begin working on composing a treaty like the example one's Sommerswerd has posted.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Has this been sent yet?

I think it is good, don't mind the redundancy, as long winded letters can seem a little more personal and thoughtful... less processed by 'the committee'.

Anyway speed is of the essence, we don't want them to mention Martha first, or take our silence for misgivings about expanding the NAP.

We also want them drafting a response rather than drafting a tech trade agreement. We want to draft it in a way that is advantageous to us. Remember Sirius gets Alpha next turn.

 

[SilentConfusion]

This message was sent out at the start of T48:

Greetings again to our friends the Sirians,

We are glad to hear that we will soon be able to share our technological breakthroughs with each other. Our researchers are focusing their energies in areas that they think will help them discover a form of government that places the power in the hands of one person (we're calling it Monarchy). Our researchers recently discovered Masonry and will soon discover the secrets of Polytheism. Although the secrets of Polytheism have already been discovered elsewhere in the world, we are hoping that we might be able to be the first to postulate a theory of the existence of only one god, something our thinkers have speculatively called Monotheism. Such a discovery would be a great religious breakthrough for our people, one that we would happily share with our friends, the Sirians. We look forward to receiving Alphabet from you on turn 51, at which time we can share all of our discoveries with each other.

We have enjoyed our friendship with the Sirians, and are very interested in discussing the expansion of our friendship. We have taken a major step by agreeing to a mutual non-aggression pact, and we, also, are pleased to start our part of the pact right away. Princess Diana was so pleased that the Sirians accepted her plan that she immediately suggested planning a special ceremony to make the Sirians honorary members of The AMAZON. Our elders will discuss such an eventuality further and contact you soon. In the meantime, we are happy to discuss any matters which might bring us closer together as we seek to build an even stronger bond between ourselves and our neighbors the Sirians.

On an unrelated topic, one of our intrepid explorers, Martha, got "lost" on her voyage eastward. She claims that she lost track of a navigational star, but we suspect that she may have just overslept after an impromptu, un-sanctioned AMAZON drinking party that took place aboard the vessel. A full investigation into her fitness as an explorer is currently underway. The silver lining of her unscheduled detour was that she was able to spot Voyager speeding along on the horizon behind her. The crew of the Voyager were able to give Martha a few pointers on the correct use of stars before they both continued their journeys. With our vessels so close together, hopefully the opportunity to co-ordinate the exploration of a landmass will soon present itself. When the time comes, would the Sirians be interested in splitting our vessels paths so that we can explore more quickly? Of course the fruits of any such joint-venture would be shared freely and equally in the spirit of our ongoing mutual cooperation.

The people of The AMAZON are happy that we have agreed to a deal that will help assure that there will be peace between our two nations. This gives us cause to celebrate (and we know how to celebrate here in The AMAZON). Our people are very optimistic about the burgeoning relationship between our two peoples.

We look forward to your reply.

Best wishes,

SilentConfusion, AMAZON diplomat

 

[SilentConfusion]

I drew up two treaties based somewhat on the models that Sommerswerd found for us and tried to incorporate some of the language and formatting from the PASS which Saturn signed in the last game into these treaties.

I tried to make them flexible so that we can make changes easily and painlessly as situations change. In the Treaty to Sirius I left the "Wonders" and the "Settlement and City Placement" sections blank as I didn't know even where to begin or if those sections should even be in an agreement.

The things we have to think about in regards to these treaties:
1. Do we want two treaties?
2. What do we want to call them?
3. Do we want to change, remove, or add any sections?
4. Do we want to change, remove, or add anything in any section?
5. Do we like the formatting or should we change it?

First treaty to Sirius, describing our relationship and hoping to secure our friendship with Sirius:

The ASP​

The AMAZON-Sirius Pact​

Section 1. Members of the ASP

1.1. Team Sirius

1.2. The AMAZON​

Section 2. Pact Duration and Cancellation Terms

2.1. The pact continues indefinitely until it is canceled.

2.2. The pact can be canceled at any time by the mutual agreement of both members.

2.3. The pact can be canceled by either member if they provide 15 turns advanced notice.

2.4. The pact will be canceled if at any time there are no non-member teams left in the game.

2.5. The pact can be canceled by either member if the other member knowingly violates the terms of the pact.​

Section 3. Non Aggression

3.1. Both members agree not to attack each other at any time while this pact is in effect.

3.2. If a third party attacks either one of the members, the other member will not give aid to that third party.

3.2.1. Giving aid to a third party includes providing gold, gifting military units, and granting passage to troops.​

3.3. If the pact is canceled because there are no non-member teams left in the game (Section 2.4) a Non-Aggression Pact will go into effect that will last for 10 turns after the last non-member team is eliminated.​

Section 4. Open Borders

4.1. Both members agree to maintain an Open Borders treaty to facilitate trade and unit movement for the length of this pact.​

Section 5. Resources

5.1. Both members will seek to trade excess resources with the other member first before attempting to trade it to a non-member.

5.1.1. If the other member is unwilling or unable to make a reasonable trade offer the resource may be traded to a non-member.​

Section 6. Mutual Technological Advancement

6.1. Both members agree to conduct tech trading honestly and fairly.

6.2. Team Sirius agrees to continue research towards Alphabet until it is discovered without delay.

6.3. The AMAZON agrees to provide Mysticism, Masonry, Polytheism, and Monarchy to Team Sirius at the earliest possible time.

6.4. Team Sirius agrees to provide The Wheel, Pottery, Writing, and Alphabet to The AMAZON at the earliest possible time.

6.5. Both members agree to continue to coordinate tech paths to avoid duplicate teching for the length of this pact.

6.6. Future tech trades can be added as amendments to this pact.

6.7. Both members agree to the terms of the ETTT and agree to remain members while both The ASP and The ETTT are in effect.

6.8. Neither member will vote for the other to be removed from the ETTT.

6.9. Both members agree to seek to add at least one more member to the ETTT (for a total of 3 members) to ensure that both ASP members are not on the outside of a major tech trading alliance.​

Section 7. Religion

7.1. If either member gains a religion in any way while the other member is without a religion, the member with a religion agrees to make an effort to provide the other member with a missionary within a reasonable time limit.​

Section 8. Wonders

Section 9. Settlement and New City Placement

Section 10. Temporary Exceptions

10.1. Temporary exceptions can be made to the terms of the pact with the agreement of both members. This is meant to allow either member to react to unforeseen circumstances.​

Section 11. Amendments

11.1. A proposed amendment may be submitted by either member.

11.2. A proposed amendment will be adopted upon agreement of both members.​

And the second treaty, which looks forward to incorporating more teams into our tech alliance:

The ETTT​

The Exclusive Tech-Trading Treaty​

Section 1. Members of the ETTT

1.1. Team Sirius

1.2. The AMAZON​

Section 2. Addition and Subtraction of Members

2.1. New members may be added by unanimous agreement of all current members.

2.2. A member may be removed by unanimous consent of all other current members.

2.3. A member may be removed at any time if they are proved to have violated any of the terms of this treaty.​

Section 3. Trading

3.1. Members agree to trade freely with all other members.

3.2. Members agree to trade with non-members only with unanimous consent from all other current members.​

Section 4. Resposibilities

4.1. Members must add to the technological advance of the ETTT members as a whole providing a reasonable amount of beakers or beaker equivalents over time.

4.2. Members will be open and forthright about research plans to avoid duplication of effort and ensure rapid progress.​

Section 5. Amendments

5.1. A proposed amendment may be submitted by any member. The proposed amendment must be sent to all members.

5.2. A proposed amendment will be adopted upon the agreement of all members.​

 

[SilentConfusion]

My personal opinions, as a player, not a diplomat, are that having a Tech Alliance treaty already in effect to which we can simply add new members, would put us in a position to quickly organize anything with the new people we meet because we'll already have something in effect and it might also get people to look at us as kind of the ringleader of this alliance.

I think that we want at least 3 and probably 4 people on our team. In the last game 3 was enough to have a majority, but if we only have three it will be even. We have to at least have three though. I also think it's a good idea if we have an inner alliance within our ideal alliance of 4, and I think Sirius is a good candidate for that job. They will have a powerful navy in the later game and should have good teching ability throughout. If we can manage to get a 4 on 2 situation, we can get rid of the 2, but then what happens with the remaining 4? We will have to turn on each other at least a little bit. Even if we don't outright attack each other we will have to compete with each other for a victory condition. Better to have an inner alliance that can still hold up past that point, one that only involves 2. It is also better if the other teams in the 4 team alliance don't suspect that your 2 teams are in an inner alliance. I think when it matters it will be nice to have the Dutch on our side at the end. I think it would ideal if CDZ was on the team of 2, assuming a 4v2 split and they would go down earlier, so we can avoid amphibious berzerker attacks on coastal cities.

I wonder if those treaties may be too formal and might put them off a little bit, but I don't think they should and Saturn seems impressed by the PASS treaty in the last game.

I played around with several different formatting styles but settled on the one that was most like the PASS. We want them to be comfortable with the treaty and with us as allies.

I built the NAP into the Treaty, thinking that it would appeal to them more. With the NAP tied to the tech trading and all the rest, I think it'll appear that we're less likely to break it, while in reality if either person attacks the other I'm pretty sure the tech trading deals and all the rest is going out the window anyway. I might suggest that we could add their idea of not attacking at all before 1 AD as an amendment once we have worked with them a little. It would show that we were trusting them more by giving this concession, but we can leave it out for now until we see what will happen. That's the good thing about a contract that is flexible/changeable.

As for the City Settling section... Damnrunner said he had an idea for a good settlement plan. Maybe we can do something with this. We can also wait until we have seen more of the land and add it later.

Not sure what we want to say about wonders if we do. Do we want to say that we want to go for the Pyramids and the Great Wall and ask them if there are any wonders they particularly want. I am a little uncertain I want to trust them with this information at this early point, but it would be better if one person knew they were going to get beat to a particular wonder so they would not build it without multipliers for fail-gold. On the one hand we can argue that we teched Masonry and only give it to them if they agree not to build the 'Mids and GW, but on the other hand we teched Masonry to trade for Pottery (or something) and the value is already equal. What I am worried about is if both teams want a particular wonder. The natural thing to do would be to start it before your opponent and not tell them for a little while until they can't catch up to you and beat you, but this breeds distrust and is dangerous.

I guess we can just give them a list of the Wonders we'd be interested in and they give us a list of the ones they're interested in and work out a compromise.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Great Work SilCon... here are my thoughts...

1. The first time the ETTT is mentioned, in 6.7 of the ASP, the words "Exclusive Tech Trading Treaty" should precede the acronym (ETTT). Also, the ETTT should be presented first... maybe separately, because that is the MOST important part. We don't want to give them the impression that they have to agree to the whole thing or else nothing. Maybe once they sign the ETTT, then we send the ASP.

Or let them send something equivalent to us. so they feel like they have some input, rather than us just dictating to them.

2. In the ETTT, we should remove the part about beaker equivalents. That shoots us in the foot because we can't match them in . And we will never be able to because they are FIN. We should replace that language with a clause identical to the one in the P.A.S.S., that says we will just share all tech as soon as the other member requests it, without regard to beaker equivalence. That arrangement is better for cooperative teching anyway. This would also let us remove the sections about specific trades from the ASP.

3. The settlement section should say. "Both teams agree not to engage in any further settlement of Andromeda/Jennilund, hereinafter to be called, Anjennida, until after Iron Working has been discovered and the portion lying between Sirius and The AMAZON has been fully explored, to determine resource locations. At that time the ASP members will come to a separate agreement regarding the settlement of Anjennida and settle only according to that agreement.

ASP members agree that no dispute over Anjennida shall cause the breaking of the ASP, and if the members cannot agree on how to equitably share Anjennida, then there shall be no further settlement of the portions of Anjennida lying between Sirius and The AMAZON."

I realize that this means that we can't settle Jennilund, but settling Jennilund is less important than securing an alliance, and I agree with damnrunner that Jennilund is a huge potential point of conflict. That is why they rushed to get Sailing, even after they knew it was a duplication and if we settle there first, it is just going to create tension. I put language in there to technically protect us if we settle BEFORE they sign the treaty, but relying on a technicality will make us seem devious and petty so I don't recommend it.

4. As for the wonders... I have already suggested abandoning Pyramids, so all we need to say is that Sirius will not build GW, and both teams agree to disclose their Wonder plans to the other in advance of starting them to avoid duplicate wonder construction. Trying to take both will seem greedy, and we wont get Mids anyway.

5. We should either remove the part about cancellation with notice, or change it to say effective until 1 AD then effective unless cancelled with 20 turns notice. Or lengthen the term of cancellation to 20 turns notice. What we want to do, is hold out the longer, firmer commitment they want as a carrot to signing the agreement. Also, this clause should appear in both the ETTT, and the ASP.

 

[damnrunner]

Great treaty work! Following are my thoughts on a Memorandum of Understanding on the settlement of Jennyland/Andromeda. I think something like would make sense as an amendment to any main treaty. The goal is to facilitate the peaceful, fast, and conflict free settlement of Jennyland so that each team can aggressively claim land to the south.

Proposed Agreement:
Whereas both Team AMAZON and Team Sirius have leader traits that facilitate aggressive expansion.
Whereas both Team AMAZON and Team Sirius immediately border the relatively small landmass of Jennyland/Andromeda.
Whereas both Team AMAZON and Team Sirius border landmasses to the south of the AMAZON and Sirius home islands.
Whereas this land to the south is apparently larger than the Jennyland/Andromeda landmass.
Whereas conflict over the Jennyland/Andromeda landmass will be costly and will slow the expansion of Team AMAZON and Team Sirius into the landmasses to the south.

Therefore be it resolved that Team AMAZON and Team Sirius agree to the following Memorandum of Understanding with respect to the settlement of the Jennyland/Andromeda landmass:
-Upon exploration of the landmass, each team will agree to a plan in which each team has roughly equal and balanced city placements.
-Both teams will seek to coordinate the settlement of the landmass by cooperating with fog busting and barbarian suppression.
-Neither team will aggressively use culture to claim or otherwise deny access to land from the other team.
-Each team will proactively seek to cooperate on any conflicts of interest that arise in the course of settlement on the island.
-Should either team grossly neglect to place settlements on the landmass, the other team may culturally infringe on or otherwise claim this land.

 

[SilentConfusion]

@ damnrunner: So you think that the Settlement option should be an amendment and not in the initial offer? I think I am in agreement, just making sure that's what you're saying.

@ Sommerswerd: I agree with all of those suggested changes.

 

[damnrunner]

@ damnrunner: So you think that the Settlement option should be an amendment and not in the initial offer? I think I am in agreement, just making sure that's what you're saying.

I think separate as it is not something that would be expanded to include more teams.

 

[Sommerswerd]

We need to notify Sirius that we met someone new, they will know anyway because of the espy points. All of their espy is still set to us, so either they have not met Quatronia, or if they met Quatronia, they are trying to hide it from us.

 

[SilentConfusion]

I'm on it. I'll write up a draft right now.

 

[SilentConfusion]

Draft to Sirius regarding us meeting a new player. They will know this from our EP level anyway, so might as well tell them. They may also appreciate the prompt honesty and I think we can instill a great deal of team atmosphere to our relationship with Sirius. This should help us thoughout the game.

I think there's a lot of information in this letter that we're giving them, but most of it they already know (e.g. Stonehenge) or will find out soon (Quatronia's Work Boat, our EP change, etc.). I think it should also convince them that we mean to work with them and not against them. I also mentioned that we should consider adding Quatronia into our "budding tech alliance" and suggested that we were working on formalizing our cooperation to get them prepared for when we send the treaty. I also think I managed to word that in a way that is fair to both side ("comparing our ideas to yours").

Perhaps we do not want to say all of this. My opinion would be that it is good to say this and to keep talking to Sirius even if just to give them innocuous updates or info. This is easy and looks good. It is my opinion, as a player, that a strong alliance with Sirius will benefit us greatly in the course of the game, but this is not a given. We can vote on how we want to treat Sirius if we are not unanimous. If we are not sure that we want to be fast friends with them we can limit this message a bit so as to keep the tone a bit more neutral.

What do you think?

To our friends the Sirians,

Our Work Boat, Jenny, who sailed past your borders many turns ago has come in contact with an exploring Work Boat (named Ganges) belonging to Quatronia.

You have probably suspected already, but the map appears to be star-shaped with one arm between us. It is possible and even likely that other civs are on the other side of the two arms to the south of us. We have met Quatronia's boat just around the tip of the arm south of you. They will be coming your way and you will meet them probably in 9 or 10 turns if they keep their current course.

We have sent them a warm greeting, asking them how far their island is and whether they had met any other civs. We also are now focusing our espionage efforts fully on Quatronia and away from you. We hope to be friends with you for many, many years to come and in the spirit of cooperation and trust we will not be piling up espionage points on you.

We will wait for their reply and let you know if they tell us anything interesting. You almost certainly already figured out, as we did, that they built Stonehenge, but we can now officially see that they built Stonehenge in their capitol, which they call Continuum.

We hope that our openness with you in this matter will demonstrate our desire to work closely with the Sirians and to build a strong bond between our two peoples. We think that we should at least consider trying to bring Quatronia into our budding trade alliance. We think it a good idea to add at least one more team to "our side" and hopefully two. We also think that it would be a good idea to formalize our cooperation and our officials are diligently putting together our ideas about how to do that and we look forward to comparing them to your ideas as we move forward. So look forward to hearing from us again soon.

May the light always guide you and may your citizens be happy and prosperous.

Sincerely yours,
SilentConfusion, AMAZON diplomat

 

[Sommerswerd]

I would send the letter as-is with one change... We should delete the first sentence of the last paragraph which says:

"We hope that our openness with you in this matter will demonstrate our desire to work closely with the Sirians and to build a strong bond between our two peoples."

This does not need to be said IMO. In fact, saying it will probably acheive the opposite effect because it makes us seem grasping and coniving instead of genuine. We should not say "We are telling you this to get you to trust us." We should just tell them the info, and let them come to the conclusion that we are trustworthy on their own.

 

[SilentConfusion]

I would send the letter as-is with one change... We should delete the first sentence of the last paragraph which says:

"We hope that our openness with you in this matter will demonstrate our desire to work closely with the Sirians and to build a strong bond between our two peoples."

This does not need to be said IMO. In fact, saying it will probably acheive the opposite effect because it makes us seem grasping and coniving instead of genuine. We should not say "We are telling you this to get you to trust us." We should just tell them the info, and let them come to the conclusion that we are trustworthy on their own.

Good point. Your correction is accepted as a friendly amendment. We still can get it out before the turn ends if we send it soon.

EDIT: I say we give AMAZONs until the turn ends and then send it. If Merlot lets the clock run out we'll send it right before turn rolls, otherwise right after. But might as well get it out before they have a chance of finding out for themselves by looking at EP.

 

[SilentConfusion]

The turn was about to roll in 2 minutes so I sent off the letter to Sirius with the correction Sommerswerd suggested. The turn has now rolled. I sent the following as the very last seconds were ticking away on T49:

To our friends the Sirians,

Our Work Boat, Jenny, who sailed past your borders many turns ago has come in contact with an exploring Work Boat (named Ganges) belonging to Quatronia.

You have probably suspected already, but the map appears to be star-shaped with one arm between us. It is possible and even likely that other civs are on the other side of the two arms to the south of us. We have met Quatronia's boat just around the tip of the arm south of you. They will be coming your way and you will meet them probably in 9 or 10 turns if they keep their current course.

We have sent them a warm greeting, asking them how far their island is and whether they had met any other civs. We also are now focusing our espionage efforts fully on Quatronia and away from you. We hope to be friends with you for many, many years to come and in the spirit of cooperation and trust we will not be piling up espionage points on you.

We will wait for their reply and let you know if they tell us anything interesting. You almost certainly already figured out, as we did, that they built Stonehenge, but we can now officially see that they built Stonehenge in their capitol, which they call Continuum.

We think that we should at least consider trying to bring Quatronia into our budding trade alliance. We think it a good idea to add at least one more team to "our side" and hopefully two. We also think that it would be a good idea to formalize our cooperation and our officials are diligently putting together our ideas about how to do that and we look forward to comparing them to your ideas as we move forward. So look forward to hearing from us again soon.

May the light always guide you and may your citizens be happy and prosperous.


Sincerely yours,
SilentConfusion, AMAZON diplomat

 

[SilentConfusion]

Fellow AMAZON, nabaxo, has agreed to help us out with the diplomacy with Team Sirius. nabaxo has an already established relationship with LordParkin which may work to our benefit. So I guess I'm appointing him as the Diplomatic Official to Team Sirius. He can chose a different title if he wants (within reason ). I'm still responsible for all communications in my position as Diplomat, so I'm the one who is responsible if something goes wrong or something doesn't get done, however nabaxo will help draft communications to Team Sirius, post them for comments, and get them sent out. If he is not available it falls on me to get whatever needs to be done done.

I would suggest that we introduce nabaxo to Sirius and sign future communications "SilentConfusion and nabaxo, AMAZON Diplomats"


An aside: If others want to help out in the diplomatic sphere, please do not hesitate to post anywhere in our team forum or PM me. There are plenty of things that need to be done and interesting problems to work on and there will only be more in the future.

 

[nabaxo]

Nabaxo, Diplomatic Envoy (preferable title) to team Sirius of team AMAZON diplomatic corps reporting for duty.

My participation have been low ever since I started on my internship, but soon I'll be unemployed again and have some spare time to spare again.

 

[SilentConfusion]

I think it is time to send out the ETTT (Exclusive Tech Trading Treaty) to both Sirius and Quatronia and maybe Merlot next turn when we meet them.

The ETTT​

The Exclusive Tech-Trading Treaty​

The Exclusive Tech Trading Treaty is the governing treaty of the Exclusive Tech Trading Alliance (ETTA), which is composed of the members of the ETTT.

Section 1. Members of the ETTT

1.1. The AMAZON​

Section 2. Addition and Subtraction of Members

2.1. New members may be added by unanimous agreement of all current members.

2.2. A member may be removed by unanimous consent of all other current members.

2.3. A member may be removed at any time if they are proved to have violated any of the terms of this treaty.​

Section 3. Treaty Duration and Cancellation Terms

3.1. The treaty continues indefinitely until it is canceled.

3.2. The treaty can be canceled at any time by the mutual agreement of all members.​

Section 4. Trading Policies

4.1. Members agree to trade freely and generously with all other members.

4.2. Members agree to trade with non-members only with unanimous consent from all other current members.

4.3. Members will be open and forthright about research plans to avoid duplication of effort and ensure rapid progress.

4.4. All technology shall be shared openly, upon request, without regard to beaker value.​

Section 5. Amendments

5.1. A proposed amendment may be submitted by any member. The proposed amendment must be sent to all members.

5.2. A proposed amendment will be adopted upon the agreement of all members.​

The suggested corrections have been made. Please let me know if I missed one, or if you have any others.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Looks fine to me. I would send to Q, along with an acceptance of their NAP proposal. Sirius should accept this right away, unless they are looking to hold out on us. Their only concern would have been us trading away Alpha to civs they have not met.

This treaty elimminates their only legitimate concern, so if they stall or don't reply, I would say assume the worst.