Environment gets Bushed

[El_Machinae]

After scanning through the wikipedia article, sequesteration looks nifty.

I like that sequestering can be outsourced. It allows fossil fuel users to dissociate the sequestering from the expenditure. A coal plant can efficiently scrub CO2 from their emissions, an airline can't.

El_Machinae, you mentioned checking the fields of the petition signers.
Save time, let someone else do it.

Thanks

 

[El_Machinae]

El Machinae, you're being very intellectually dishonest. Smoking is not like Co2, smoking is addicting. You can't blame an addict for being addicted, unless you're heartless.

Second-hand smoke is forcing your pollution onto others. This has nothing to do with smoking itself.

Then again, from someone that advocates curing aging or space elevators, I wouldn't expect you to have anything less than an arcane and distorted view of science and its role in our world.

 

[ainwood]

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[Truronian]

See how the blue line shoots up but the red one doesn't?

Yes it does:

 

[skadistic]

You didn't answer my question. And please stop writing in other people's quote boxes.I'll think about it........no. You'd think people would stop asking.

There may be a consensus on the theory of evolution. That doesn't make it true. The data makes it true. And the data in global warming ( and it was changed to "global climate change" and now is called "the climate crisis" ) has been show to be full of flaws. The temperature has gone up a little and down a little and up a little and down a little. Those nifty computer models were filled with data from collection points that were in areas that gave false readings. Then there is the whole thing about Co2 ( man made Co2) being the main driver in temperature rise but the graphs show it isn't. If it was the temp would be a lot higher then it is now. Bad data leads to bad conclusions.



And here is a list of skeptics to man made global warming/climate change/climate crisis. I hope I don't go over the character limit.

Spoiler :

A. Alan Moghissi, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, Technical University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Aksel Wiin-Nielsen, Professor of Geophysical Science, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Albrecht Glatzle, Ph.D. Agricultural Biology, University of Hohenheim, Germany
Alexander Gumen, M.S. Hydrogeology and Engineering Geology, Ph.D. Geology, Moscow Geological Prospecting Academy, Russia
Alfred (Al) H. Pekarek, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Geology, St. Cloud State University, USA
Allan M.R. MacRae, B.Sc., M.Eng., P.Eng, Canada
Amy Kaleita, Ph.D. Agricultural Engineering, University of Illinois, USA
Andreas Prokoph, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Earth Sciences, University Tubingen, Germany
Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D. Atmospheric Science, Purdue University, USA
Antonino Zichichi, Ph.D. President of the World Federation of Scientists, Italy
Arthur B. Robinson, Ph.D. Chemistry, University of California, San Diego, USA
Arthur Rorsch, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands
Ben Herman, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Arizona, USA
Benjamin D. Pearson, B.S. Physics, University of Rochester, USA
Bjarne Andresen, Ph. D. Theoretical Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Bob Durrenberger, Retired Climatologist, Former President of the American Association of State Climatologists, USA
Boris Winterhalter, M.Sc. Ph.D. Geology, Helsinki University, Finland
Brian Pratt, Ph.D. Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan, Canada
Bruce N. Ames, Ph.D. Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University of California, Berkeley, USA
Bruno Wiskel, B.Sc. Geology, University of Albert, Canada
Bryan Leyland, M.Sc. Electrical and Mechanical Engineering, New Zealand
Carl Johan Friedrich (Frits) Böttcher, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physical Chemistry, University of Leiden, The Netherlands
Charles Gelman, B.S. Chemistry, M.S. Public Health, University of Michigan, USA
Chauncey Starr, Ph.D. Physics, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, USA
Chris de Freitas, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Environmental Science, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Christiaan Frans van Sumere, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Biochemistry, University of Gent, Belgium
Christoph C. Borel, Ph.D. Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Massachusetts, USA
Christopher Essex, Ph.D. Professor of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario, Canada
Christopher Landsea, Ph.D. Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University, USA
Claude Allegre, Ph.D. Physics, University of Paris, France
Cliff Ollier, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Geology, University of Western Australia, Australia
Clinton H. Sheehan, Ph.D. Physics, University of Western Ontario, Canada
Craig D. Idso, M.S. Agronomy, Ph.D. Geography, Arizona State University, USA
Craig Loehle, Ph.D. Mathematical Ecology, Colorado State University, USA
Dan Carruthers, M.Sc. Wildlife Biology Consultant, Specializing in Animal Ecology in Arctic and Subarctic Regions, Canada
Daniel B. Botkin, Ph.D. Biology, Rutgers University, USA
David Deming, B.S. Geology, Ph.D. Geophysics, University of Utah, USA
David E. Wojick, B.S. Civil Engineering, Ph.D. Mathematical Logic, University of Pittsburgh, USA
David Evans, B.Sc. Applied Mathematics and Physics, M.S. Statistics, Ph.D. Electrical Engineering, Stanford, USA
David G. Aubrey, B.S. Geological Sciences, Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California at San Diego, USA
David H. Douglass, Ph.D. Physics, MIT, USA
David J. Ameling, B.A. Physics, UCLA, USA
David J. Bellamy, B.Sc. Botany, Ph.D. Ecology, Durham University, UK
David Kear, Ph.D. Geology, New Zealand
David L. Hill, Ph.D. Physics, Princeton University, USA
David Nowell, M.Sc. Meteorology, Royal Meteorological Society, Canada
David R. Legates, Ph.D. Climatology, University of Delaware, USA
Dennis P. Lettenmaier, Ph.D. Professor of Hydrology, University of Washington, USA
Dick Thoenes, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands
Don J. Easterbrook, Ph.D. Geology, University of Washington, USA
Don Parkes, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Geography, University of Newcastle, Australia
Donald G. Baker, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Soil, Water & Climate, University of Minnesota, USA
Donn Dears, B.S. Engineering, U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, USA
Douglas V. Hoyt, Solar Physicist and Climatologist, Retired, Raytheon, USA
Duncan Wingham, Ph.D. Physics, University of Bath, UK
Eckhard Grimmel, Ph.D. Geography, University of Hamburg, Germany
Edward Wegman, Ph.D. Mathematical Statistics, University of Iowa, USA
Eigil Friis-Christensen, Ph.D. Geophysics, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Elliot Abrams, M.S. Meteorology, Penn State, USA
Eric S. Posmentier, Adjunct Professor of Earth Sciences, Dartmouth, USA
Ernst-Georg Beck, M.Sc. Biology, Merian-Schule, Germany
Ferenc Miskolczi, Atmospheric Physicist, Hungary
Fred Goldberg, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Fred Michel, B.Sc. Geological Sciences, M.Sc., Ph.D. Earth Sciences, University of Waterloo, Canada
Fred W. Decker, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, Oregon State University, USA
Freeman Dyson, Professor Emeritus of Physics, Princeton University, USA
G. Cornelis van Kooten, B.Sc. Geophysics, Ph.D. Agricultural & Resource Economics, Oregon State University, USA
Gabriel T. Csanady, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, University of New South Wales, Australia
Garth Paltridge, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia
Gary D. Sharp, Ph.D. Marine Biology, University of California, USA
Gary Novak, M.S. Microbiology, USA
Geoff L. Austin, Ph.D. Professor of Physics, University of Auckland, New Zealand
George E. McVehil, B.A. Physics, M.S. Ph.D. Meteorology, AMS Certified Consulting Meteorologist, USA
George H. Taylor, M.S. Meteorology, University of Utah, USA
George Kukla, Micropalentologist, Special Research Scientist of Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University, USA
George V. Chilingarian, Ph.D. Geology, University of Southern California, USA
George Wilhelm Stroke, Ph.D. Physics, University of Paris, France
Gerd-Rainer Weber, Ph.D. Consulting Meteorologist, Germany
Gerhard Gerlich, Ph.D. Physics, Technical University of Braunschweig, Germany
Gerrit J. van der Lingen, Ph.D. Geologist, Paleoclimatologist, New Zealand
Glen E. Shaw, Atmospheric Scientist, Professor of Physics, University of Alaska, USA
Gordon E. Swaters, Ph.D. Applied Mathematics and Physical Oceanography, University of British Columbia, Canada
Gordon J. Fulks, Ph.D. Physics, University of Chicago, USA
Graham Smith, Associate Professor of Geography, University of Western Ontario, Canada
H. Grant (H.G.) Goodell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia, USA
H. Michael (Mike) Mogil, M.S. Meteorology, Florida State University, USA
Hans Erren, B.Sc. Geology and Physics, M.Sc. Geophysics, Utrecht University, The Netherlands
Hans Jelbring, Ph.D. Climatology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Hans Schreuder, Analytical Chemist, UK
Harry N.A. Priem, Professor Emeritus of Isotope and Planetary Geology, Utrecht University, The Netherlands
Hartwig Volz, Geophysicist, RWE Research Lab, Germany
Hendrik Tennekes, Former Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, The Netherlands
Henrik Svensmark, Director of the Center for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Center, Denmark
Henry R. Linden, Ph.D. Chemical Engineering, Illinois Institute of Technology, USA
Howard C. Hayden, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Connecticut, USA
Howard Maccabee, Ph.D. Biophysics, University of California, Berkeley, USA
Hugh W. Ellsaesser, Ph.D. Meteorology, Formerly with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, USA
Ian D. Clark, Ph.D. Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Canada
Ian R. Plimer, Ph.D. Professor of Geology, University of Adelaide, Australia
Indur M. Goklany, Ph.D. Electrical Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology, India
J. Scott Armstrong, B.A. Applied Science, B.S. Industrial Engineering, Ph.D. MIT, USA
Jack Barrett, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, Manchester, UK
Jack Welch, B.S. M.S. Ph.D. Chemical Engineering, University of Illinois, USA
James A. Peden, B.S. Physics and Mathematics, M.S. Experimental Physics, University of Pittsburgh, USA
James (Jim) Goodridge, Retired California State Climatologist, USA
James J. O’Brien, Ph.D. Meteorology, Texas A&M University, USA
James R. Stalker, Ph.D. Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama, USA
Ján Veizer, Professor Emeritus of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa, Canada
Jay H. Lehr, Ph.D. Groundwater Hydrology, University of Arizona, USA
Jasper Kirkby, Particle Physicist at CERN the European Organization for Nuclear Research, Switzerland
Jeffrey A. Glassman, Ph.D. Applied Physicist and Engineer, USA
Jens Olaf Pepke Pedersen, Senior Scientist, Center for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Center, Denmark
Jennifer Marohasy, Ph.D. Biology, University of Queensland, Australia
Joanne Simpson, Ph.D. Chief Scientist Emeritus for Meteorology, Earth Sun Exploration Division, NASA, USA
Joel M. Kauffman, Ph.D. Organic Chemistry, MIT, USA
Joel Schwartz, B.S. Chemistry, M.S. Planetary Science, California Institute of Technology, USA
John Brignell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, Department of Electronics & Computer Science, University of Southampton, UK
John Dale Dunn, M.D. Carl R. Darnall Army Medical Center, USA
John E. Gaynor, M.S. Meteorology, UCLA, USA
John E. Oliphant, B.A. Mathematics and Physics, M.S. Meteorology Penn State, USA
John K. Sutherland, Ph.D. Geology, University of Manchester, UK
John R. Christy, B.A. Mathematics, M.S. Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Alabama in Huntsville, USA
Joseph Conklin, M.S. Meteorology, Rutgers University, USA
Joseph D’Aleo, M.S. Meteorology, University of Wisconsin, USA
Joseph (Joe) P. Sobel, Ph.D. Meteorology, Penn State, USA
Keith D. Hage, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta, Canada
Keith E. Idso, Ph.D. Botany, Arizona State University, USA
Kelvin Kemm, Ph.D. Nuclear Physics, Natal University, South Africa
Ken Gregory, B.A.Sc. Mechanical Engineering, University of British Columbia, Canada
Kenneth E.F. Watt, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Studies, University of California, Davis, USA
Khabibullo Abdusamatov, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, University of Leningrad, Russia
Kiminori Itoh, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental Metrology, Yokohama National University, Japan
Klaus Wyrtki, Ph.D. Oceanography, Physics, Mathematics, University of Kiel, Germany
Lance Endersbee, Professor Emeritus of Engineering, Monash University, Australia
Lee C. Gerhard, Ph.D. Geology, University of Kansas, USA
Lee Raymond, Ph.D. Chemical Engineering, University of Minnesota, USA
Len Walker, Ph.D. Soil Mechanics, Cambridge University, Australia
Louis Hissink, M.Sc. Geology, Macquarie University, Australia
Luboš Motl, Ph.D. Theoretical Physics, Rutgers, USA
Madhav Khandekar, B.Sc. Mathematics and Physics, M.Sc. Statistics, Ph.D. Meteorology, Florida State University, USA
Martin Livermore, B.S. Chemistry, University of Oxford, UK
Manik Talwani, Ph.D. Physics, Columbia University, USA
Marcel Leroux, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France
Mark P. Mills, B.S. Physics, Queen’s University, Canada
Martin Hertzberg, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, Stanford, USA
Mel Goldstein, Ph.D. Meteorology, NYU, USA
Michael Crichton, A.B. Anthropology, M.D. Harvard, USA
Michael D. Griffin, B.S. Physics, M.S. Applied Physics, Ph.D. Aerospace Engineering, University of Maryland, USA
Michael E Adams, Ph.D. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, USA
Michael J. Economides, Ph.D. Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering, University of Houston, USA
Michael J. Oard, B.S., M.S. Atmospheric Science, University of Washington, USA
Michael Savage, B.S. Biology, M.S. Anthropology, M.S. Ethnobotany, Ph.D. Nutritional Ethnomedicine, USA
Michael R. Fox, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, University of Washington, USA
Michel Salomon, M.D. University of Paris, Director of the International Centre for Scientific Ecology, France
Nathan Paldor, Ph.D. Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography, Hebrew University, Israel
Noah E. Robinson, Ph.D. Chemistry, California Institute of Technology, USA
Neil Frank, Ph.D. Meteorology, Florida State University, USA
Nigel Marsh, Senior Scientist, Center for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Center, Denmark
Nils-Axel Mörner, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Palegeophysics and Geodynamics, Stockholm University, Sweden
Nir J. Shaviv, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, Israel Institute of Technology, Israel
Norman Brown, Professor Emeritus of Chemistry, University of Ulster, UK
Ola M. Johannessen, Professor, Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Center, Norway
Olavi Kärner, Ph.D. Atmospheric Physics, Leningrad Hydrometeorological Institute, Estonia
Oliver W. Frauenfeld, Ph.D. Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia, USA
Paavo Siitam, M.Sc. Agronomist, Canada
Paul Copper, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Canada
Paul Driessen, B.A. Geology and Field Ecology, Lawrence University, USA
Paul Reiter, Ph.D. Professor of Medical Entomology, Pasteur Institute, France
Patrick Frank, Ph.D. Chemistry, Stanford University, USA
Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, USA
Patrick Moore, B.Sc. Forest Biology, Ph.D. Ecology, University of British Columbia, Greenpeace co-founder, Canada
Peter Stilbs, Ph.D. (TeknD) Physical Chemistry, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Peter W. Huber, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering, MIT, USA
Petr Chylek, Ph.D. Physics, University of California, USA
Philip K. Chapman, B.S. Physics and Mathematics, M.S. Aeronautics and Astronautics, Ph.D. Instrumentation, MIT, Australia
Philip Stott, Professor Emeritus of Biogeography, University of London, UK
Piers Corbyn, B.Sc. Physics, M.Sc. Astrophysics, Queen Mary College, UK
R.G. Roper, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, USA
R. Tim Patterson, B.Sc. Biology, Ph.D. Professor of Geology, Carleton University, Canada
R. W. Gauldie, Ph.D. Research Professor, Hawaii Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawaii, USA
Raphael A.J. Wust, M.Sc., Ph.D. Lecturer, School of Earth Sciences, James Cook University, Australia
Ralf D. Tscheuschner, Ph.D. Physics, University of Hamburg, Germany
Randall Cerveny, Ph.D. Geography, University of Nebraska, USA
Richard C. Willson, Ph.D. Atmospheric Sciences, University of California Los Angeles, USA
Richard S. Courtney, Ph.D. Geography, Ohio State University, USA
Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT, USA
Rob Scagel, M.Sc., Forest Microclimate Specialist, Canada
Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University, USA
Robert C. Whitten, Physicist, Retired Research Scientist, NASA, USA
Robert E. Davis, B.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Climatology, University of Delaware, USA
Robert G. Williscroft, B.Sc. Marine & Atmospheric Physics, M.Sc., Ph.D. Engineering, California Coast University, USA
Robert Giegengack, Ph.D. Geology, Yale, USA
Robert H. Essenhigh, M.S. Natural Sciences, Ph.D. Chemical Engineering, University of Sheffield, UK
Robert L. Kovach, Professor of Geophysics, Stanford University, USA
Robert (Bob) M. Carter, B.Sc. Geology, Ph.D. Paleontology, University of Cambridge, Australia
Robin Vaughan, Ph.D. Physics, Nottingham University, UK
Roger A. Pielke (Sr.), Ph.D. Meteorology, Penn State, USA
Roger Bate, M.Sc. Environmental and Resource Management, Ph.D. Economics, University of Cambridge, UK
Roy Spencer, Ph.D. Meteorology, Former Senior Scientist for Climate Studies, NASA, USA
S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia, USA
Sallie Baliunas, M.A. Ph.D. Astrophysics, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, USA
Sherwood B. Idso, Ph.D. Soil Science, University of Minnesota, USA
Simon C. Brassell, B.Sc. Chemistry & Geology, Ph.D. Organic Geochemistry, University of Bristol, UK
Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Ph.D. Department of Geography, University of Hull, UK
Stanley B. Goldenberg, B.S. M.S. Meteorology, Hurricane Research Division, NOAA, USA
Steve Milloy, B.A. Natural Sciences, M.S. Health Sciences, Johns Hopkins University, USA
Stephen McIntyre, B.Sc. Mathematics, University of Toronto, Canada
Stewart W. Franks, Ph.D. Environmental Science, Lancaster University, U.K.
Sylvan H. Wittwer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Horticulture, Michigan State University, USA
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Ph.D. Geophysics, University of Alaska, USA
Tad S. Murty, Ph.D. Oceanography and Meteorology, University of Chicago, USA
Thomas Schmidlin, Ph.D. Professor of Geography, Kent State University, USA
Tim F. Ball, Ph.D. Historical Climatologist, University of London, UK
Tom Harris, B. Eng. M. Eng. Mechanical Engineering (thermo-fluids), Canada
Tom V. Segalstad, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
Ulrich Berner, Geologist, Federal Institute for Geosciences, Germany
Vern Harnapp, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Geography, University of Akron, USA
Vincent Gray, Ph.D. Physical Chemistry, Cambridge University, UK
Vitaliy Rusov, Ph.D. Physics and Mathematics, Professor of Physics, Odessa Polytechnic University, Ukraine
Yuri A. Izrael, D.Sc. Physics and Mathematics, Vice Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Russia
W. Dennis Clark, B.A. Biological Sciences, Ph.D. Botany, Sacramento State College, USA
Walter Starck, Ph.D. Marine Science, University of Miami, USA
Warren Meyer, B.S. Mechanical Engineering, Princeton University, USA
Warwick Hughes, B.S. Geology, Auckland University, Australia
Wibjorn Karlen, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Willem de Lange, Ph.D. Senior Lecturer, Department of Earth and Ocean Sciences, Waikato University, New Zealand
William B. Hubbard, Ph.D. Professor of Planetary Atmospheres, University of Arizona, USA
William (Bill) Bauman, B.S., Meteorology, M.S., Ph.D. Atmospheric Sciences, North Carolina State University, USA
William Cotton, M.S. Atmospheric Science, Ph.D. Meteorology, Pennsylvania State University, USA
William E. Reifsnyder, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Forest Meteorology and Biometeorology, Yale, USA
William J.R. Alexander, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa
William M. Briggs, B.S. Meteorology and Math, M.S. Atmospheric Science, Ph.D. Statistics, Cornell University, USA
William (Bill) M. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, Ph.D. Geophysical Sciences, University of Chicago, USA
Willie Soon, Ph.D. Astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, USA
Wm. Robert Johnston, B.A. Astronomy, M.S. Physics, University of Texas, USA
Wolfgang Thüne, Ph.D. Geography, University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Zachary W. Robinson, B.S. Chemistry, Oregon State University, USA
Zbigniew Jaworowski, M.D., Ph.D., D.Sc., Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Poland

Meteorologists:

A.J. Colby, B.S. Atmospheric Sciences, AMS Certified, Meteorologist WKYC-TV, USA
Andre Bernier, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Meteorologist WJW-TV, USA
Anthony Watts, AMS Certified, Chief Meteorologist KPAY-AM, USA
Arlo Gambell, AMS Certified, Meteorologist, USA
Art Horn, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Meteorologist WVIT-TV, USA
Arthur T. Safford III, Retired Meteorologist USAF, USA
Asmunn Moene, former Chief Meteorologist, Oslo, Norway
Austin W. Hogan, AMS Certified, Meteorologist, USA
Bill Meck, Chief Meteorologist WLEX-TV, USA
Bill Steffen, Meteorologist WOOD-TV, USA
Bob Breck, B.S. Meteorology & Oceanography, University of Michigan, Chief Meteorologist WVUE-TV, USA
Brad Sussman, Meteorologist, USA
Brian Sussman, Meteorologist, USA
Bruce Boe, Director of Meteorology Weather Modification Inc., USA
Bruce Schwoegler, B.S. Meteorology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, USA
Christopher Plonka, Meteorologist USAF, USA
Craig James, B.S. Meteorology, Penn State University, Chief Meteorologist WOOD-TV, USA
Dan Maly, Retired Meteorologist WOIO-TV, USA
David Aldrich, B.S. Meteorology, North Carolina State University, Meteorologist WTXF-TV, USA
Dick Goddard, Chief Meteorologist WJW-TV, USA
Don Webster, Retired Meteorologist WEWS-TV, USA
Douglas Leahey, Meteorologist, Canada
Eugenio Hackbart, Chief Meteorologist MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center, Brazil
Grant Dade, Meteorologist KLTV, USA
Herb Stevens, Meteorologist WNYT-TV, USA
James Spann, AMS Certified, Chief Meteorologist WCFT-TV, WJSU-TV, USA
Jason Russell, Meteorologist, WTEN-TV, USA
Jeff Halblaub, B.S. Atmospheric Science, Ohio State University, Meteorologist, USA
Jerry Lettre, Senior Meteorologist, WSI, USA
Jim Clarke, B.S. Meteorology, St. Louis University, Meteorologist WZVN-TV, USA
Joe Bastardi, B.S. Meteorology, Penn State, Expert Senior Forecaster AccuWeather, USA
John Coleman, Meteorologist, Founder of 'The Weather Channel', Chief Meteorologist KUSI-TV, USA
Jon Loufman, Meteorologist WOIO-TV, USA
Joseph E. Luisi, Former Chief Meteorologist Delta Airlines, USA
Justin Berk, B.S. Meteorology, Cornell University, AMS Certified, Meteorologist WMAR-TV, USA
Karl Bohnak, B.S. Meteorology, University of Wisconsin, AMS Certified, Meteorologist WLUC-TV, USA
Kevin Lemanowicz, B.S. Meteorology, Cornell University, Chief Meteorologist WFXT-TV, USA
Kevin Williams, B.S. Meteorology, Cornell University, Chief Meteorologist WHEC-TV, USA
Keith Eichner, Meteorologist WIVB-TV, USA
Lee Eddington, Meteorologist Geophysics Branch, U.S. Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division, USA
Mark Koontz, Meteorologist WFMJ-TV, USA
Mark Breen, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Senior Meteorologist Fairbanks Museum and Planetarium, USA
Mark Johnson, AMS Certified, Chief Meteorologist, WEWS-TV, USA
Mark Scirto, B.S. Meteorology, University of St. Thomas, AMS Certified, Chief Meteorologist KLTV, USA
Morgan Palmer, AMS Certified, Meteorologist KLTV, USA
Nick Morganelli, Free-Lance Meteorologist, USA
Paul Cousins, B.S. Meteorology and Geophysics, AMS and NWA Certified, Founder AtmosForecast, USA
Peter McGurk, Senior Meteorologist, WSI, USA
Randy Baker, B.S. Atmospheric Science, University of Kansas, Senior Meteorologist UPS Airlines, USA
Randy Mann, AMS Certified, Meteorologist KREM-TV, USA
Richard (Rich) Apuzzo, Chief Meteorologist Skyeye Weather, USA
Roy Leep, B.S. Meteorology, Florida State University, Meteorologist WTVT-TV, USA
Sally Bernier, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Meteorologist WJW-TV, USA
Shane Hollett, Meteorologist WMJI-FM, USA
Steven Nogueira, NWS Senior Meteorologist, USA
Terry Eliasen, B.S. Meteorology, University of Massachusetts Lowell, Meteorologist WBZ-TV, USA
Thomas B. Gray, M.S. Meteorology, USAF, USA
Tim Kelley, B.S. Meteorology, Lyndon State College, Meteorologist NECN, USA
Tom Chisholm, B.S. Atmospheric Sciences, Lyndon State College, Chief Meteorologist WMTW-TV, USA
William Kininmonth, B.Sc., M.Sc., Retired Head of the Australian National Climate Centre, Australia

Social Scientists:

Alan Moran, Ph.D. Economics, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia
Alex Robson, Ph.D. Economics, University of California, Irvine, USA
Alister McFarquhar, Ph.D. Economics, Downing College, UK
Andrei Illarionov, Ph.D. Economics, St. Petersburg University, Russia
Ben Stein, B.S. Economics, Columbia University, USA
Benny Peiser, Ph.D. Professor of Social Anthropology, Liverpool John Moores University, UK
Bjørn Lomborg, M.A., Ph.D. Political Science, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Daniel K. Benjamin, Ph.D. Economics, University of California at Los Angeles, USA
Daniel R. Simmons, B.A. Economics, Utah State University, USA
David A. Ridenour, B.A. Political Science, University of Oregon, USA
David Almasi, B.A. Political Science, Northwestern University, USA
David Henderson, Professor of Economics, London School of Economics, UK
Dennis T. Avery, M.S. Agricultural Economics, University of Wisconsin-Madison, USA
Don Aitkin, Ph.D. Political Science, Australian National University, Australia
Donald I. Hertzmark, M.S. Ph.D. Agricultural and Natural Resource Economics, University of Wisconsin, USA
Donald J. Boudreaux, Ph.D. Economics, Auburn University, USA
Frank Milne, Ph.D. Professor of Economics, Queen's University, Canada
Douglas Southgate, Ph.D. Professor of Agricultural, Environmental, and Development Economics, Ohio State University, USA
George F. Will, Ph.D. Political Science, Princeton University, USA
Ian Castles, BCom Commerce, Former Vice President of the Academy of the Social Sciences, Australia
James Johnson, M.A. Ph.D. Economics, UCLA, USA
James Inhofe, B.A. Economics, University of Tulsa, USA
Jerry Taylor, B.A. Political Science, University of Iowa, USA
John J. Ray, Ph.D. Psychology, Macquarie University, Mensa, Sydney, Australia
John Stossel, B.A. Psychology, Princeton University, USA
Julian Morris, M.A. Economics, M.Sc. Environment and Resource Economics, M.Phil. Land Economics, Cambridge University, UK
Kendra Okonski, B.A. Economics, Hillsdale College, USA
Kenneth W. Chilton, Ph.D. Director of the Institute for Study of Economics and the Environment, Lindenwood University, USA
Kesten C. Green, Ph.D. Management Science, Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand
Marlo Lewis, B.A. Political Science, Ph.D., Claremont McKenna College, USA
Margo Thorning, Ph.D. Economics, University of Georgia, USA
Myron Ebell, M.Sc. Economics, London School of Economics, USA
Nigel Lawson, Baron Lawson of Blaby, B.A. Economics, University of Oxford, UK
Randy T. Simmons, Ph.D. Political Science, University of Oregon, USA
Richard W. Rahn, Ph.D. Business Economics, Columbia University, USA
Robert L. Bradley Jr., B.A. Economics, Ph.D. Political Economy, University of Houston, USA
Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Economics, Johns Hopkins University, USA
Roger A. Pielke (Jr.), Ph.D. Political Science, University of Colorado, USA
Ronad Rychlak, Professor of Environmental Law, University of Mississippi School of Law, USA
Ross McKitrick, M.A., Ph.D. Economics, University of British Columbia, Canada
Roy E. Cordato, M.A. Ph.D. Economics, George Mason University, USA
Stephan Wilksch, Dr-Ing Professor of Economic Science, University of Technolgy and Economics Berlin, Germany
Terry L. Anderson, Ph.D. Economics, University of Washington, USA
Thomas A. Birkland, Ph.D. Political Science, University of Washington, USA
Thomas Gale Moore, M.A., Ph.D. Economics, University of Chicago, USA
Thomas Sowell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics, UCLA, USA
Vaclav Klaus, app. Ph.D. Economics, University of Economics, Prague, Czech Republic
Walter E. Williams, Ph.D. Professor of Economics, George Mason University, USA
William Evans, Ph.D. Professor of Economics, Notre Dame, USA
William Nordhaus, Ph.D. Economics, MIT, USA
Zonia M. Pino, B.A. Political Science, Florida International University, USA

 

[skadistic]

And the list goes on.

Spoiler :

Deceased:

Aaron Wildavsky, Ph.D. Political Science, Yale, USA (Died: September 4, 1993)
Adrian H. Gordon, Meteorologist, University of South Australia, Australia (Died: April 12, 2000)
August H. Auer Jr., Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Science, University of Wyoming, USA (Died: June 10, 2007)
Duwayne M. Anderson, Professor Emeritus of Geology, Texas A&M University, USA (Died: October 4, 2002)
Frederick Seitz, Ph.D. Physics, Princeton University, USA (Died: March 2, 2008)
George H. Sutton, Professor Emeritus of Geophysics, University of Hawaii, USA (Died: January 25, 2004)
Heinz Lettau, Professor Emeritus of Geophysics, University of Wisconsin, USA (Died: August 4, 2005)
Helmut Metzner, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Botany, University of Tubingen, Germany (Died: September 20, 1999)
James P. Lodge Jr., Ph.D. Consultant in Atmospheric Chemistry, USA (Died: December 14, 2001)
John L. Daly, B.Sc.Econ Economics, Aberystwyth University, UK (Died: January 29, 2004)
John R. Apel, Ph.D. Physics, Johns Hopkins University, USA (Died: August 16, 2001)
Julian Simon, B.A. Psychology, Ph.D. Economics, University of Chicago, USA (Died: February 8, 1998)
Larry H. Brace, B.S. Physics, University of Michigan, USA (Died: August 28, 2005)
Michael J. Higatsberger, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Experimental Physics, University of Vienna, Austria (Died: January 7, 2004)
Paul Handler, Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Illinois, USA (Died: January 24, 1998)
Reid A. Bryson, B.A. Geology, Ph.D. Meteorology, University of Chicago, USA (Died: June 11, 2008)
Rhodes Fairbridge, Ph.D. Geology, University of Western Australia, Australia (Died: November 8, 2006)
Robert E. Stevenson, Ph.D. Oceanography, University of Southern California, USA (Died: August 12, 2001)
Robert Jastrow, Ph.D. Theoretical Physics, Columbia University, USA (Died: February 8, 2008)
Roland (R.A.D.) Byron-Scott, Senior Lecturer Emeritus in Meteorology at Flinders University, Australia (Died: January, 2004)
Thomas Gold, Professor Emeritus of Astronomy, Cornell University, USA (Died: June 22, 2004)
Tor Ragnar Gerholm, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Stockholm, Sweden (Died: June 27, 2007)
William (Bill) A. Nierenberg, Ph.D. Physics, Columbia University, USA (Died: September 10, 2000)
William Mitchell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Oxford, UK (Died: October 30, 2002)


Skeptical Scientific Organizations:

American Association of Petroleum Geologists, USA (31,000+ Members)
American Association of State Climatologists, USA
Russian Academy of Sciences, Russia
Skeptical Organizations:

Abundant Wildlife Society of North America, USA
Accuracy In Media, USA
AccuWeather, USA
Acton Institute, USA
Adam Smith Institute, UK
Advancement of Sound Science Center, USA
Advocates for Self Government, USA
Air Quality Standards Coalition, USA
Alabama Policy Institute, USA
Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, USA
Alternate Solutions Institute, Pakistan
America's Future Inc., USA
American Council on Science and Health, USA
American Enterprise Institute, USA
American Institute for Economic Research, USA
American Land Rights Association, USA
American Legislative Exchange Council, USA
American Policy Center, USA
American Spectator Foundation, USA
Americans for Limited Government, USA
Americans for Prosperity Foundation, USA
Americans for Tax Reform, USA
Annapolis Center for Science-Based Public Policy, USA
Annapolis Institute, USA
Argentinean Foundation for a Scientific Ecology (FAEC), Argentina
Arizona State University Office of Cimatology, USA
Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs at Ashland University, USA
Asociación de Consumidores Libres, Costa Rica
Association for Liberal Thinking, Turkey
Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, USA
Association of British Drivers, UK
Atlas Economic Research Foundation, USA
Australian APEC Study Centre, Australia
Australian Libertarian Society, Australia
Ayn Rand Institute, USA
Blue Ribbon Coalition, USA
Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy, USA
Bureaucrash Foundation, USA
Business & Media Institute, USA
Capital Research Center (CRC), USA
Carbon Sense Coalition, Australia
Cathay Institute of Public Affairs, China
Cato Institute, USA
CEDICE LIBERTAD, Venezuela
Centro de Innovación y Desarrollo Humano, Uruguay
CEPOS, Denmark
CEPPRO, Paraguay
Center for the Dissemination of Economic Information, Venezuela
Center for Global Food Issues, USA
Center for Science and Public Policy, USA
Center for the Advancement of Energy Markets (CAEM), USA
Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, USA
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, USA
Center for the Study of Popular Culture, USA
Centre for Independent Studies, Australia
Centre for Policy Studies (CPS), UK
China's Research Center for Economic Transition, China
CIEN, Guatemala
CIIMA-ESEADE, Argentina
Citizens Against Government Waste, USA
Citizens for the Environment and CFE Action Fund, USA
Civil Society Coalition on Climate Change, International
Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute, USA
Claremont Institute, USA
Clean Water Industry Coalition, USA
Club For Growth, USA
Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, USA
Committee for Economic Development, USA
Competitive Enterprise Institute, USA
Concerned Women for America, USA
Cooler Heads Coalition, USA
Cornwall Allliance, USA
DCI Group, USA
Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP), USA
Discovery Institute, USA
Eagle Forum, USA
Environmental Conservation Organization (ECO), USA
Environment Probe, Canada
European Center for Economic Growth, Austria
Family Research Council, USA
Federalist Society, USA
Federazione Ambiente Agricoltura, Italy
FORCES International, USA
Foundation for American Communications, USA
Foundation for Economic Education (FEE), USA
Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment (FREE), USA
Fraser Institute, Canada
Free Congress Foundation, USA
Free Enterprise Education Institute, USA
Free Enterprise Institute, USA
Free Market Foundation, South Africa
FreedomWorks, USA
Friends of Science, Canada
Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP), Canada
Frontiers of Freedom Institute, USA
Fundacion Atlas 1853, Argentina
Fundacion Libertad, Panama
Future of Freedom Foundation, USA
George C. Marshall Institute, USA
Global Climate Coalition, USA
Grassfire.org, USA
Greening Earth Society, USA
Greenspirit, USA
Heartland Institute, USA
Heritage Foundation, USA
High Park Group, Canada
Hispanic American Center for Economic Research, USA
Hoover Institution, USA
Hudson Institute, USA
IEEP, Ecuador
Imani: The Centre for Humane Education, Ghana
Independent Institute, USA
Information Council on the Environment, USA
Initiative of Public Policy Analysis, Nigeria
INLAP, Costa Rica
Institut Constant de Rebecque, Switzerland
Institute for Canadian Values, Canada
Institute for Energy Research, USA
Institute for Free Enterprise, Germany
Institute for Global Economic Growth (IGEG), USA
Institute for Humane Studies, USA
Institute for Market Economics, Bulgaria
Institute for Policy Innovation, USA
Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation (IRET), USA
Institute for Trade, Standards and Sustainable Development, USA
Institute of Economic Affairs, UK
Institute of Economic Analysis, Russia
Institute of Public Affairs, Australia
Institute on Religion and Public Life, USA
Instituto de Libre Empresa, Peru
Instituto Liberdade, Brazil
Instituto Veritas, Honduras
Interfaith Stewardship Alliance, USA
International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, USA
International Climate Science Coalition, Canada
International Policy Network, UK
International Society for Individual Liberty, USA
Istituto Bruno Leoni, Italy
Jerusalem Institute for Market Studies, Israel
John Locke Foundation, USA
Lavoisier Group, Australia
League of Private Property Voters, USA
Liberales Institut, Switzerland
Liberalni Institute, Czech Republic
Libertad y Desarrollo, Chile
Libertarian Alliance, UK
Libertarian Futurist Society, USA
Libertarian International, The Netherlands
Liberty Institute, India
Lion Rock Institute, Hong Kong
Lithuanian Free Market Institute, Lithuania
Ludwig von Mises Institute, USA
Maine Heritage Policy Center, USA
Media Research Center, USA
Mercatus Center at George Mason University, USA
Milton & Rose D. Friedman Foundation, USA
Minimal Government Thinkers, Philippines
Montreal Economic Institute, Canada
National Center for Policy Analysis, USA
National Center for Public Policy Research, USA
National Chamber Foundation (NCF), USA
National Motorists Association, USA
National Taxpayers Union, USA
Natural Resources Stewardship Project, Canada
New Coalition for Economic and Social Change
New Hope Environmental Services, USA
New Zealand Business Roundtable, New Zealand
New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, New Zealand
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, USA
Pacific Legal Foundation, USA
Pacific Research Institute, USA
Polyconomics Institute, USA
Property and Environment Research Center (PERC), USA
Property Rights Foundation of America, USA
Reason Foundation, USA
Reason Public Policy Institute, USA
Rockford Institute, USA
Schiller Institute, USA
Science & Environmental Policy Project, USA
Science & Public Policy Institute, USA
Scientific Alliance, UK
Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council, USA
Sovereignty International, USA
St. Lawrence Institute, Canada
State Policy Network, USA
Sustainable Development Network, UK
TaxPayer's Alliance, UK
Tennessee Center for Policy Research, USA
The 60 Plus Association, USA
The Atlas Society (TAS), USA
Thoreau Institute, USA
Tropical Meteorology Project, USA
TSAugust, USA
Urban Renaissance Institute, Canada
U.S. Chamber of Commerce, USA
Washington Policy Center, USA
Weidenbaum Center on the Economy, Government, and Public Policy, USA

 

[Merkinball]

Just so everyone knows, those are horrible graphs. Just so everyone knows.

 

[El_Machinae]

I put "washington" in the search bar ('cause I think you live in Washington?) and brought up the bio on Dennis P. Lettenmaier. I'm trying to keep it random, but local. Can you find something officially written by him that says that he doubts anthropogenic climate change?

I looked up Keith D. Hage (from Alberta), and can't find anything specifically from him. He's signed petitions, but the phrasing of those petitions are neither intellectually honest nor insightful.

 

[Ammar]

I put "washington" in the search bar ('cause I think you live in Washington?) and brought up the bio on Dennis P. Lettenmaier. I'm trying to keep it random, but local. Can you find something officially written by him that says that he doubts anthropogenic climate change?

I looked up Keith D. Hage (from Alberta), and can't find anything specifically from him. He's signed petitions, but the phrasing of those petitions are neither intellectually honest nor insightful.

Note that the names on the list seem to be taken from the Oregon Institute's petition which has already proven itself less than honest on the whole issue.

 

[Truronian]

Just so everyone knows, those are horrible graphs. Just so everyone knows.

Yes the are... though the first one does a good job of highlighting the correlation between CO2 levels and temperature (which is to be expected given that CO2 is a greenhouse gas).

 

[Ammar]

Just so everyone knows, those are horrible graphs. Just so everyone knows.

Mentioned it already with the first one but always good to hear it confirmed.

The second's one not so great but at least somewhat usable for a discussion on global warming, i.e. our century is actually a little more than a single dot.

It honestly baffles me that anyone would try to use that first graph to support their position. It seems to indicate a total lack of reflection/critical thinking. To make an analogy it's about of the same level of someone using Carbon Dating to check whether the meat's still good.

Yes the are... though the first one does a good job of highlighting the correlation between CO2 levels and temperature (which is to be expected given that CO2 is a greenhouse gas).

Well, that's the graph that's supposed to point out that a CO2 does not cause a temperature rise.

 

[Cutlass]

CO2 is just like ozone: In one context it is naturally occurring and beneficial. In a different context it is man made and harmful. Regulating the man made part is both normal and appropriate.

 

[Truronian]

I put "washington" in the search bar ('cause I think you live in Washington?) and brought up the bio on Dennis P. Lettenmaier. I'm trying to keep it random, but local. Can you find something officially written by him that says that he doubts anthropogenic climate change?

I looked up Keith D. Hage (from Alberta), and can't find anything specifically from him. He's signed petitions, but the phrasing of those petitions are neither intellectually honest nor insightful.

The list has a number of duds and crackpots mixed in, and I've yet to find one that denies humans are having any effect.

 

[Merkinball]

Note that the names on the list seem to be taken from the Oregon Institute's petition which has already proven itself less than honest on the whole issue. - Trunion

Yeah, except that it is now believed that CO2 levels have a tendency to lag behind temperature. That is, temperature goes up, and CO2 levels follow. A more interesting relationship seems to be drawn from sun spot activity. Sun spot activity goes up, temperature lags behind that and is also a perfect mirror, then CO2 levels go up. Your graph really doesn't talk about that stuff, and it's so horrible that you can't tell anything from it. Correlation doesn't equal causation. At least that's what liberals tell me all the time.

Regulating the man made part is both normal and appropriate. - Cutlass

Especially when control is the name of the game in your political agenda.

 

[bhsup]

El Machinae, you're being very intellectually dishonest. Smoking is not like Co2, smoking is addicting. You can't blame an addict for being addicted, unless you're heartless.

Um, speaking as a 20+ year smoker, I will say without hesitation that the smoker IS indeed responsible and I have no sympathy for any whiny smokers that try to blame anybody but themselves for their problem.

 

[Ammar]

Yeah, except that it is now believed that CO2 levels have a tendency to lag behind temperature. That is, temperature goes up, and CO2 levels follow.

Believed by whom?

Sun spot activity goes up, temperature lags behind that and is also a perfect mirror, then CO2 levels go up.

Well, that still leaves the problem with the tons of CO2 we put into the atmosphere every year. You can hardly claim that's it the temperature that's causing the CO2 rise, when we actually know that *we* are causing the CO2 rise.

The possible effect of sun fluctuations is commonly put at an *maximum* estimate of 30%, though I've seen some go as high as 50%. Still, no serious study has indicated that the sun is the cause for all the GW.

Your graph really doesn't talk about that stuff, and it's so horrible that you can't tell anything from it.

It's not my graph. Perhaps this post wasn't directed at me. You put a -Trunion in an quote that was actually by me.

Correlation doesn't equal causation. At least that's what liberals tell me all the time.

True enough. Though you really don't have to rely on the liberals for that - learning stochastics would help more.
This being said, a correlation makes a connection of some sort probable (connection != causation) but if we in addition to that have an *known* effect how CO2 can influence temperature...

 

[scy12]

In truth i don't know what is the exact cause of CO2 in the environment (other than it has an effect on global warming which i don't know how big) only that cutting CO2 emmisions is not going to hurt the environment in any way and in addition the air would be less Polluted which does not have to do primarly with Global warming but it should also be noted.

In that respect , attempting to be efficient while producing less CO2 due to technology used to help this is certainly not only going to help but should be encouraged.

 

[Merkinball]

Believed by whom? - Ammar

Believed by people who study ice cores for a living.

Well, that still leaves the problem with the tons of CO2 we put into the atmosphere every year. You can hardly claim that's it the temperature that's causing the CO2 rise, when we actually know that *we* are causing the CO2 rise. - Ammar

I don't believe we really have a grasp on just how much CO2 we are responsible for. That's a really hard thing to tangibly decide. Especially when we are now just learning over the last couple of years that CO2 levels jump after temperature jumps, which seems to jump due to increased sunspot activity.

What's more plausible. That 1999 and 2002 were some of the hottest years on record because of record sun spot activity? And that 2007-2008 has experienced rapid cooling due to historically low sun spot activity? Or that it's due to CO2? Which has just been being pumped into the air at a more ferocious rate each and every year? Let us also not forget about La Nina and El Nino. Let us also not forget about ocean currents, and the salinity of the oceans.

I'm sorry, but you're an idiot if you think CO2 is the end all be all when it comes to the warming of this globe. And as trendy as it is to paste a temperature graph of the last hundred years on an internet site and draw a correlation to CO2, it's not the whole story in any way shape or form.

Still, no serious study has indicated that the sun is the cause for all the GW. - Ammar

I'm sorry, but the sun is pretty much the reason for everything that has ever occurred on this earth for 13.4 billion years.

 

[scy12]

Believed by people who study ice cores for a living.



I don't believe we really have a grasp on just how much CO2 we are responsible for. That's a really hard thing to tangibly decide. Especially when we are now just learning over the last couple of years that CO2 levels jump after temperature jumps, which seems to jump due to increased sunspot activity.

What's more plausible. That 1999 and 2002 were some of the hottest years on record because of record sun spot activity? And that 2007-2008 has experienced rapid cooling due to historically low sun spot activity? Or that it's due to CO2? Which has just been being pumped into the air at a more ferocious rate each and every year? Let us also not forget about La Nina and El Nino. Let us also not forget about ocean currents, and the salinity of the oceans.

I'm sorry, but you're an idiot if you think CO2 is the end all be all when it comes to the warming of this globe. And as trendy as it is to paste a temperature graph of the last hundred years on an internet site and draw a correlation to CO2, it's not the whole story in any way shape or form.



I'm sorry, but the sun and natural phenomena that effected how the earth "relates" - is affected by the sun is pretty much the reason for everything that has ever occurred on this earth for 13.4 billion years.

Well , CO2 and other chemicals which human presence is at fault for mass producing do have some effect at the very least , do you agree or not ?

 

[Cutlass]

Yeah, except that it is now believed that CO2 levels have a tendency to lag behind temperature. That is, temperature goes up, and CO2 levels follow. A more interesting relationship seems to be drawn from sun spot activity. Sun spot activity goes up, temperature lags behind that and is also a perfect mirror, then CO2 levels go up. Your graph really doesn't talk about that stuff, and it's so horrible that you can't tell anything from it. Correlation doesn't equal causation. At least that's what liberals tell me all the time.



Especially when control is the name of the game in your political agenda.

Well since the liberal ideology is primarily about allowing people the most freedom which is consistent with everyone having the same freedom and the conservative ideology is primarily about removing the freedom of the masses in order for the elite to control their lives absolutely, then your statement is 100% BS and I'm certain you know that and did it deliberately.