Esse est percipi?

[thetrooper]

I have edited my OP.

 

[warpus]

As some of you may know 'esse est percipi' means 'to be is to be perceived'.
The man behind those words is of course George Berkeley (1685-1753). He later modified,
I think, that to 'esse est posse percipi', introducing the possibility to be perceived.

I perceive beings in my dreams who do not exist.

 

[MCdread]

What do you mean by exist?

In this day and age, I guess being shown on TV or on a popular website. Therefor I don't, as my random posting can be accomplished by an authomatic algorithm for useless posting generation.

 

[pboily]

Some might say that the mere act of perceiving of these beings springs them into existence...

 

[angeleyes]

I perceive beings in my dreams who do not exist.

They exist in your dreams.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

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Edit:

Now that we had some fun with that, let's get down to business.

As some of you may know 'esse est percipi' means 'to be is to be perceived'.
The man behind those words is of course George Berkeley (1685-1753). He later modified,
I think, that to 'esse est posse percipi', introducing the possibility to be perceived.

Rather difficult to contradict, eh?

Im not sure I understand. You exist if its possible for you to be percieved?

 

[Masquerouge]

Im not sure I understand. You exist if its possible for you to be percieved?

The way I understand it, you exist if you can be perceived. Like the noise in the forest exist, even if nobody actually percieved it.

I might be completely wrong though.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

The way I understand it, you exist if you can be perceived. Like the noise in the forest exist, even if nobody actually percieved it.

I might be completely wrong though.

Doesnt make any sense. Its basically saying that someone else has to exist in order for me to exist. Anyway, we can percieve ourselves, cant we?

 

[thetrooper]

Im not sure I understand. You exist if its possible for you to be percieved?

I'm not here to tell you what is right and what is wrong Bozo. I just want some 'recreation' from the endless Iraq threads.

It's the discussion that counts, not what we end up with at the end of the day.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

I'm not here to tell you what is right and what is wrong Bozo. I just want some 'recreation' from the endless Iraq threads.

It's the discussion that counts, not what we end up with at the end of the day.

Huh? Who said anything about telling me right from wrong? Im asking what the heck that guy is talking about, because its not very clear.

 

[Masquerouge]

Doesnt make any sense. Its basically saying that someone else has to exist in order for me to exist.

Well, yes. Exactly.
Though it might be more related to consciousness.

 

[angeleyes]

Im not sure I understand. You exist if its possible for you to be percieved?

No, it means that (to me) something/someone else exist if (its possible that) it's perceived by me.

 

[Rossiya]

This may surprise you, but I do not exist.

 

[angeleyes]

If you read this, you are stupid.

could be, but it also tells me you exist.

 

[Rossiya]

Why would it prove that I exist?

 

[Gogf]

Well, some entity known as Rossiya certainly exists. If it did not, there would be nothing to tell me that it did not exist. Whether that entity is a figment of my imagination, a computer program, a human being, or something else is less certain.

 

[angeleyes]

Why would it prove that I exist?

because it tells me someone is on the internet, and that's you!

 

[willemvanoranje]

I happen to know you are all just creations of my brain.. but then again, to me, you all exist.

 

[Tee Kay]

I don't exist. I never have been, and I probably never will be.

 

[punkbass2000]

I could ban you. Would that be proof enough?