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Europa Universalis IV
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JohannaK
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The amount of monarch points necessary for Westernisation depends not on size but on tech group. Westernising as Eastern is far cheaper than Indian or, god forbid, Nomad
warpus
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Phew about the westernization, I didn't realize that was a quick way to do it, thought it was the new way.
As for my armies, I get involved in silly random wars that don't really affect me, I don't always keep track of all of them, I want a quick way to see an overview where any potential enemy armies are.
As for my armies, I get involved in silly random wars that don't really affect me, I don't always keep track of all of them, I want a quick way to see an overview where any potential enemy armies are.
You could try to get the same dynasty as Bohemia or Austria (elective monarchy op) and claim their throne to enforce a PU. Then once you inherit them, you can westernize for free. That would take forever, though.
PhroX
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Don't worry too much about Westernisation as Poland. Eastern tech isn't bad at all. When I did my achievement run as them, including "Poland Cannot Into Space" (i.e. max out tech), I never bothered, as maintaining tech parity wasn't an issue. If you happen to control the provinces for the decision, take it, but it's no big loss if you don't, and you should never be far enough behind to do it the normal way.
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
Also your troops are still going to be eastern tech (though I don't know if that really is worse; eastern tech is better at cavalry thaen western I think)
warpus
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I've had royal marriages with both, so I will keep that in mind, thanks for suggesting it. I mean it looks like westernization might not really be an important goal in the near future anyway, and I might end up attacking Bohemia at some point anyway too, but maybe circumstances will make what you're suggesting a prudent alternative.
For most of the game (just under 100 years so far) I have built up a block of close allies: Pomerania (which up until 5 years ago has been fairly strong), Bohemia (which sticks out into me like a cancerous blob aka Silesia, which I want), Austria, and Sweden. I have royal marriages with all. Somehow they have all allowed me to court them to "buddy buddy" status all at the same time and so most of my borders are very secure and neither Muscovy or the Ottomans have bothered me, due to my relatively large and immediate possee. I have been able to annex my vassals, castrate the Teutonic Knights and Hungary, and form the Commonwealth in relative peace, I think there was basically only one "make it or break it" war where I had to break the treaties between the Teutons and the Hungarians. After that everything was a methodical march towards the Commonwealth. I think a war between my group and Muscovy is brewing, though, I just noticed that they are allied with the Livonian Order, what's left of the Teutonic Order, and a bunch of other states. That's going to be fun, but I'm not sure if I should take Crimea first.. It looks like it's free for the picking and so I might have to step in before somebody else does, before I march on Moscow.
So we'll see, but I think I have enough firepower to castrate Muscovy soon, and after that I will only have to worry about the Ottomans, unless any of my allies turn on me, which seems unlikely as they seem to love me. Maybe I'm getting too cocky for my own good, but I am a rather large blob. My diplomats are already making new friends in the empire, with France, England, for some reason Norway, Naples, and basically anyone they have time for.
I have been focusing on technology and my economy so that I can form the Commonwealth sooner rather than later without too many problems.. and I guess it worked very well, because when I last checked the technology map, the only countries that were green were me and my ally Bohemia. Which made me think exactly that "Maybe screw westernization?"
What might very well happen is me turning on Bohemia after I'm done conquering Moscow and Constantinople, I think it will be easier to attack parts of the empire without getting your butt kicked then.. I definitely want Silesia, right now it's a part of Bohemia, so while Bohemia's a good friend, they definitely have something I want.. So I don't think we're staying friends forever.
edit: awww crap Muscovy is also allied with the Ottomans. I might have to sit this one out and wait for more favourable circumstances...
Lohrenswald
世界的 bottom ranked physicist
that's what i said
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Heck, I kept up to date in Mil tech just fine as Manchu! It's hilarious because when I finally westernised, all the tech cost boni remained and I had tech costing well under the base cost.
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I agree with those who've said westernizing isn't that important from the Eastern tech group. I have a Russia game in-progress (1.13 patch) currently where it's 1762, I haven't westernized (though I could have for free the quick way), and I'm pretty much equal on tech.
Smart Muscovy to ally with the Ottomans. They clearly know what's good for them.
Smart Muscovy to ally with the Ottomans. They clearly know what's good for them.
warpus
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Hey guys, I have another stupid question.
It's around 1600 and I am in control of a large and rather stable and technologically acceptable Commonwealth. But building up my army to something that could fight both the Ottomans and Muscovy I've realized that I have too many forts in my territory. I want to make at least 6 gold coins a month, and with so many forts and a decently large army that is just not going to happen. I think that it's possible that having so many forts has convinced my enemies to not attack me.. Well, maybe not.. But either way I want to mothball or get rid of some of them and I'm not sure how.
Everywhere I look online, people say "just go to the building panel and click the red X" or whatever. Well, when I click on a province, all I see in the panel is.. nothing related to buildings. There's demographics, a military section, and one for the economy/trade. And stuff like religion, etc. I see the fort in there too, but no "red X" that people say to click on, nor do I see any other buildings I have built in that province. I basically want to get to the "building overview" page for a province, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I can bring up the "Build stuff" panel if I press B and scroll down to the buildings part.. but .. yeah.. How do I bring that panel up? I've been clicking around and staring at the interface for a while, or rather I did yesterday, before I gave up. I know I should probably watch a video or something, but I can't play right now anyway, so I figured I'd ask.
The only DLC I have active is Art of War, if it matters.
It's around 1600 and I am in control of a large and rather stable and technologically acceptable Commonwealth. But building up my army to something that could fight both the Ottomans and Muscovy I've realized that I have too many forts in my territory. I want to make at least 6 gold coins a month, and with so many forts and a decently large army that is just not going to happen. I think that it's possible that having so many forts has convinced my enemies to not attack me.. Well, maybe not.. But either way I want to mothball or get rid of some of them and I'm not sure how.
Everywhere I look online, people say "just go to the building panel and click the red X" or whatever. Well, when I click on a province, all I see in the panel is.. nothing related to buildings. There's demographics, a military section, and one for the economy/trade. And stuff like religion, etc. I see the fort in there too, but no "red X" that people say to click on, nor do I see any other buildings I have built in that province. I basically want to get to the "building overview" page for a province, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere.
I can bring up the "Build stuff" panel if I press B and scroll down to the buildings part.. but .. yeah.. How do I bring that panel up? I've been clicking around and staring at the interface for a while, or rather I did yesterday, before I gave up. I know I should probably watch a video or something, but I can't play right now anyway, so I figured I'd ask.
The only DLC I have active is Art of War, if it matters.
This is where I would go to delete a fort:
I usually just keep the forts on the edge of my territory and delete the ones in the middle. You don't have to build up to your force limit all the time if you don't really need the extra troops or if you are planning on annexing a vassal in the near future.
Finally when I'm not at war I'll mothball all forts and lower the troop maintenance slider (sometimes when at war as well).
Spoiler :
I usually just keep the forts on the edge of my territory and delete the ones in the middle. You don't have to build up to your force limit all the time if you don't really need the extra troops or if you are planning on annexing a vassal in the near future.
Finally when I'm not at war I'll mothball all forts and lower the troop maintenance slider (sometimes when at war as well).
warpus
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Hmm how do you get that "Buildings" panel to pop up? When I click on a province all I see is the one right beside it, on the left, where do I click to expand it so I can see the buildings panel too?
I'm in a situation where Muscovy and the Ottomans are slowly expanding and have made a series of alliances that pits them against my alliance. It seems that they might throw the first punch if the conditions are right, so I want to be ready.
I do the same with my troops, but have only learned about mothballing recently. It seems to be on the same building panel I haven't figured out how to get to.. It's probably something simple I'm missing, I'm going to be swearing left and right when you tell me "Oh, just click on {this obvious thing}" I'm sure
Dell19 said:
I'm in a situation where Muscovy and the Ottomans are slowly expanding and have made a series of alliances that pits them against my alliance. It seems that they might throw the first punch if the conditions are right, so I want to be ready.
Dell19 said:
I do the same with my troops, but have only learned about mothballing recently. It seems to be on the same building panel I haven't figured out how to get to.. It's probably something simple I'm missing, I'm going to be swearing left and right when you tell me "Oh, just click on {this obvious thing}" I'm sure
It can be opened and closed. When closed there should be a castle with a house in front of it icon about where the B in buildings is.
Normally in my games Muscovy struggle to find useful allies whilst Poland is in a much better position to ally France, Austria or someone else who has blobbed in the HRE. If you can't get better allies then one other option is to wait for Muscovy or the Ottomans to get involved in a difficult war.
Normally in my games Muscovy struggle to find useful allies whilst Poland is in a much better position to ally France, Austria or someone else who has blobbed in the HRE. If you can't get better allies then one other option is to wait for Muscovy or the Ottomans to get involved in a difficult war.
warpus
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I will look for that castle icon, thanks! Can't believe I was staring at that panel for so long and I didn't see it...
In my game I am allied with Austria (not as strong as I've seen in other games but decent), Sweden (which is moderately strong but weakened), Bohemia (annexed Silesia and 2 Brandenburg provinces but that's it), and France, while Muscovy is allied with the Ottomans, the Livonian Order (which is moderately strong and extends into Scandinavia) and a couple minor allies here and there. The only real blobs in Europe at this time are me and France, but not really, it's smaller than the modern era France even.
I am sort of in holding position until either the Ottomans or Muscovy go to war somewhere.. Then I'm taking out the Livonian order, if possible, or going after Muscovy directly. I've been trying to befriend the Timurids, so they can help me attack Muscovy from the east, but so far they don't seem to like me quite enough yet. Not that they would make a huge difference, but I would welcome the distraction.
In my game I am allied with Austria (not as strong as I've seen in other games but decent), Sweden (which is moderately strong but weakened), Bohemia (annexed Silesia and 2 Brandenburg provinces but that's it), and France, while Muscovy is allied with the Ottomans, the Livonian Order (which is moderately strong and extends into Scandinavia) and a couple minor allies here and there. The only real blobs in Europe at this time are me and France, but not really, it's smaller than the modern era France even.
I am sort of in holding position until either the Ottomans or Muscovy go to war somewhere.. Then I'm taking out the Livonian order, if possible, or going after Muscovy directly. I've been trying to befriend the Timurids, so they can help me attack Muscovy from the east, but so far they don't seem to like me quite enough yet. Not that they would make a huge difference, but I would welcome the distraction.
Ah okay an Ottoman - Muscovy alliance would be frustrating. Sometimes its worth totalling up the number of troops on each side of the alliance to see how a war might go if you haven't already. If the Livonian order have weaker allies you could always go for them first and then force Muscovy to cancel their alliance with the Ottomans.
In my current game there are some odd force limits:
I can't see the full extent of Bukhara however its surprising how many troops they can field. They actually have a larger military than Muscovy. Also I'm not sure why France and the Ottomans have so few troops as France isn't in debt. I like how holding just Northern Italy is enough to have the second largest army in the world. Take that blobs...
In my current game there are some odd force limits:
Spoiler :
I can't see the full extent of Bukhara however its surprising how many troops they can field. They actually have a larger military than Muscovy. Also I'm not sure why France and the Ottomans have so few troops as France isn't in debt. I like how holding just Northern Italy is enough to have the second largest army in the world. Take that blobs...
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