Europe1380 Scenario (EE3MOD)

Well, I had a go with the Kingdom of Aragon (my favourite)

They start with 100 of gold and a -29 per turn, but is this normal?
Maybe some courthouses should be put in the main cities.

For city names, in Sicily there is Pelarmo (if I remember correctly). I guess it's Palermo.

How is it possible to conquer Malta, as it's only on one tile?

Great work however, I really like this scenario.

If you want I could translate it in Italian.
 
Rey said:
Well, I had a go with the Kingdom of Aragon (my favourite)

They start with 100 of gold and a -29 per turn, but is this normal?
Maybe some courthouses should be put in the main cities.

For city names, in Sicily there is Pelarmo (if I remember correctly). I guess it's Palermo.

How is it possible to conquer Malta, as it's only on one tile?

Great work however, I really like this scenario.

If you want I could translate it in Italian.
Palmero is a typo, that I must have missed. And it is possible to conquer Malta (I did), but the question of course is why bother with as it has no real added value and doesn't harm you either.
The negative balance is normal. Balancing the budget proved very hard for most European kingdoms throughout the ages. Besides it's an easy way to make sure your research does accumulate too fast. If you develop your country it will become less of a problem over time. Specially since the AI is every eager to share technology. I would wait with translation till all the kinks are out, but you're free to translate it if you want.
 
Yes, I built courthouses and cottages, and I managed to raise my Science to a 70%.
About Malta, I just wanted to know.
 
Rey said:
Yes, I built courthouses and cottages, and I managed to raise my Science to a 70%.
About Malta, I just wanted to know.

Hm, as Prussia you can run 100% science all the time. Just sell some tech to the rich guys, then live on huge deficite spending. ;)
 
Sure, but I don't like playing with Prussia, Aragon is always my 1st pick ;)
 
Prussia game, Noble difficulty

Started out at war with Poland, Lithuania, Denmark and Sweden. Completely ignoring the rest, I concentrated all my forces (six knights) on the border to Lithuania. After killing off a wave of Polish/Lithuanian knights, which deprived them both of their offensive capabilities, and after finishing several catapults I started to move south. This was essential as Prussia has no iron, and even Hungary (being my best friend and having lots of excess iron) won´t sell it to me.
Vilnius and Vitebsk (the northern one ;)) fell quickly, but the Lithuanian iron mine was still in enemy territory. So I had to push further to Minsk. Once that city was secured, peace was concluded. All three remaining foes agreed on peace for one tech each. The reason I bougth me out was that Prussia has "access" to more than 8 barbarian cities but needs to be quick in capturing them, as Russians, Lithuanians, Polish, Hungarians, Bohemians and Swedes are also competing for them.

My knights and catapults captured Narva, Pskov, St.Petersburg, Vyborg, Tver and Smolensk but got beaten to three more by a small margin.

My biggest problem was religion, as the western and southern parts of my empire were catholic, the eastern, southern and northern parts were orthodox while my core (and state) was protestant. Almost half of my cities were constantly unhappy (staying at size one or two) because of the different religions, and it took me quite a century or two to spread the "true faith" into my outer holdings. Civics that give production boosts in exchange for unhappiness are essential for minor powers surrounded by powerhouses, so I had to cope with it. In hindsight I think I´d have fared better with not neglecting liberalism (gives religious tolerance civic -> no religious unhappiness). But back then I was in desperate need of techs to trade for money (so I could run 100% science), and liberalism was already widespread.

Other nations constantly pestered me with "declare war on X, stop trading with Y, give me all your tech for free", which I usually declined (except for HRE and Russia). Since the starting war was declared by me (or so they tell me) I was extremely isolated politically. Only Scots and Hungarians liked me, while the Ottomans kept trading with me for a long time too.

Somehow I managed to stay out of was for a long time, until the Ottomans DOWed me in 1639 out of the blue (well, not quite, I refused to gift them a tech). I didn´t take it too seriously until they showed up with 9 knights and 3 catapults outside Prussian Minsk, but on Lithuanian soil!!! I couldn´t fight them back because the Liths didn´t want to give me open borders, so I saved my game and declared war on them. Although I managed to take two Lithuanian cities and destroy the Ottoman forces (there were several waves of catapult/crossbowmen/knights combos), I lost most of my army and when HRE and Russia finally DOWed me I gave up.

Aftermath:
Prussia needs iron, so the war on Lithuania is crucial for the start. Then attention needs to be turned east as quickly as possible, taking all of those barbarian cities. Research should go towards liberalism to get religious tolerance fast. This one tech is maybe the most important to Prussia.
Poland should be killed off soon, since it tends to expand into the Russian steppes where it´s literally unreachable. Lithuania, once deprived of their only iron source, is weak and large. I should have taken more land off them by declaring war on them whenever the peace treaties expire. I focussed too much on happiness buildings, saving on the military in the later stages. That was a big mistake (founded on the initial error to not go for religious tolerance).

With that in mind, Prussia is fun to play, with lots of targets and as many threats. Maintaining a strong knight force while ignoring the navy completely is a must for them. Managing the different religions is crucial, as well as getting iron soon. After that you can gradually expand south and east.

AI:
Ottomans are fools, they never managed to take a single Byzantine city. Also the Venetian holdings remained untouched until late game. Lithuania and Russia carved up the steppes, only leaving one city in between for Poland.
HRE and France were in countless wars against each other, but only the Lowlands were affected (cities captured and liberated). Denmark was aggressive but never took a single city, Sweden also focussed on barbarians only. England was warring now and then, taking a French city then loosing it. They ended up having built many colonial wonders.
The Spanish kingdoms did well in score, but nobody ever sailed to north africa. This goes for every nation...

This scenario is great! I spent so many hours already, I even keep thinking about my strategy in bed! Tried the Ottomans today, conquering all of Southern Balkans except for the Islands. The damn Bohemians and Hungarians beat me to some barbarian cities, and culture isn´t working for me in Anatolia (lost a city to Venezia due to the Naxos wonder). Fortunately Sofia revolted against the Hungarians and joined me so that equals it out. I´m now leading in points but am still backwards in research (although selling gunpowder brought me 6 techs and 1000+ gold). This scenario is getting better each day! :D
 
Yes, I think that sailing to North Africa is the key for Castille and Aragon (Corsica is another good choice)

About Ottomans, in my game they took almost every city of Byzantine Empire, lol.
 
Well I now know why the AI for Prussia is so weak and always ends up last. The lack of Iron... Probally would help If I gave them a very good relation with an iron rich nation.

I'm happy you had fun with the religion factor. I found in the original mod it didn't reflect well enough the problems that religion tensions formed in Europe at the time. Plus it makes for major fun gameplay and manages to weaken the HRE behemoth.

I'll add two of my own experiences.

Papal States, Noble Difficulty

Well this game was a little bland as I only use the big monetary/score advantage they had and just expanded it by first conquering Corsica to gain an iron source. Then I traded horses from Hungary to get my knights (and catapults) in production (one very turn!!!). I used these to march in to Venetia and conquered it together with Trieste. Unfortunately I lost Trieste to Hungary, but got Florence from the HRE. I then turned my eyes to the south and declared war on Aragon and conquered their part of Itraly and Messina and Palmero and Cagliari and Malta. Then I decided I to just build colonies and run out the time till the end with a leading score. The AI pretty much did the usual predictable stuff, except that France conquered Brest and Bordeaux before ignoring England.

Castille-Leon, Noble Difficulty

This game was more fun and rather strange. I myself started out building catapults and heading towards Lissabon, Granada and Porto. Besieging them at the same time and conquering them. With my remaining knights I captured two cities in Africa and then decided that Africa proved more a problem than it was worth considering the religion. Having done that I spent some time building up my cities before joining the big western European war. Wanting to have the whole of Iberia under my control I declared war on Aragon (I sense a pattern). I started and conquered Zaragosa. Their capital then moved to Napels. Then I continued to conquer Valencia and Barcelona and then signed a peace treaty.
At the same time Aragon was in war with France together with HRE,England and yes people Poland. The English lost Bordeaux, but conquered Bayonne. Poland conquered Bordeau in turn from France again. Aragon conquered Toulouse, Avignon and Lyon. The HRE conquered the rest and destroyed the kingdom of France. At the same time the Papal states conquered most of Greece and the Ottomomans finally managed to capture Constantinople and that was the end of the Byzantine Empire.
Because of culture problems I had to declare war on Aragon again. I conquered Toulouse and Montpelier thinking I could save Barcelona. It turned out Palma was seemingly the overwelming cultural force. So I had to build a navy cross the sea and finish of the cultural menance that was Palma. To make sure they were only stuck in Italy I captured Avignon and Lyon. Seeing the colonial wonders being captured by other countries I focused the rest of the game building those and rebuilding my new conquests.
 
Well, I'll tell something about my experience with Aragon.

First of all, I had to restart, because after a few turns, I was at war with France, Castile and the Holy Empire, lol.
Aragon begins with France and Castile which are Furious, and the HRE can easily declare war too.
So at the beginning I had to share my fish resources with the Empire, in order to keep good relations. I had to make a right of passage with them too.

As I said before, at the start you have a -29 gold per turn, so I've immediately built some courthouses.
With some of the units who are in Zaragoza, I've conquered Granada in my 2nd turn (leaving Cartagena of Castille all alone), and from Cagliari I've conquered Corsica after some turns, having produced 2 Knights.

To ensure my Spanish territory from France and Castile, I've produced some Knights to prevent their attacks (I remembered my first experience, lol).

My strategy is producing units in Spain (rotating cities, so that they still have key buildings), and buildings such as Banks and Markets in Italy and the islands.

I've managed to conquer Melilla and Algeri in Africa, but they are still in the middle of other Barbarian cities at the moment, so that I haven't developed them.
But I conquered those cities in order to create a "gate" between the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean.

When I had produced Knights and some Cats, I decided it was time to conquer Spain, so that I declared war to Castile and I took Bilbao after 2 turns.
Unluckily, after a few turns, France declared war on me, so that I had to sign a peace treaty with Castile (as I didn't want to stay in the middle of two enemies). I hope I'll return for Ferdinand III soon ;)

That's all right now, I'll continue next time, as I don't know yet what will happen.

NOW, I have a question:
why is Castile furious with Aragon?
I studied history of Catalunya a bit, and relationships between the two Kingdoms were neither wonderful, ok, nor that bad.
When Aragon conquered Spanish Eastern coast, the King made an agreement with Castile, with which Aragon could expand itself until the city of Alacant (Alicante) letting Castile taking Murcia (which is represented by the city of Cartagena in the scenario)

The two Spanish kingdoms had a war, if I remember correctly, but before this agreement, and with Aragon which was allied with France (which was furious with Aragon, too, in this scenario).

So I'm not sure of relationships between Aragon and Castile and France in this scenario.

PS: I noticed another mistake for city names: Gunua instead of Genoa.

However I really like this scenario, it's my favourite along with the one of Age of Discovery, keep up the good work.

I hope that I've helped you with this post.
 
1st note:
Why Hungarians are so backwards in tech?? One of most rich/strong kingdom of that time and so backward.
2nd note:
I have played around 30 turns and i have year: 2800AD.
3rd note:
You already placed protestant/reformed religion, can be possible to get their Holy Cities?:)
4th note: why is holy city of Othodox Kiev? Better it can be in Constantinople or Moscow.

Noble, Bohemia:
On start i switched to mercantilism, and going for Civil Service. I built some hussits and war wagon(thank god, they no need resources:)) and I declared war on Poland. I destroyed them, and i was finding next target, I found it in Prussia->destroyed:).
Technologicaly I am 4th most advanced, most advanced is Papal(shrine:() and Henrich VIII. Big states are tech weak(HRE, Lithuana, Russia, Castilia, Ottomans)
 
Heav said:
1st note:
Why Hungarians are so backwards in tech?? One of most rich/strong kingdom of that time and so backward.
2nd note:
I have played around 30 turns and i have year: 2800AD.
3rd note:
You already placed protestant/reformed religion, can be possible to get their Holy Cities?:)
4th note: why is holy city of Othodox Kiev? Better it can be in Constantinople or Moscow.


1 )
They catch up quick enough.
2 )
That´s a problem with your civ install, as for me it works fine.
3 )
Catholics already have holy city, only Protestants lack it. I came across that problem as Prussia, too, even went for Protestantism hoping to found it, but nothing happened. It´s a shame not to have a Protestant holy city. Maybe Eisenach (Wartburg) in Thuringia could be it, or Prague (Hussites).
 
Sorry guys my college brake is over so I have to work a lil harder these days.
Anyways the native names are up. I haven't had the time for the non latin letters.
About Hungary they aren't really as tech backwards as it seems.
Secondly there should be protestant holy cities. The HRE should have them both reformed and protestant. Protestant:Dresden Reformed:Geneve
And the reason for chosing Kiev as the Orthodox Holy City? Well Constantinople is set to become Islamic and Kiev was the orginal Russian orthodox city before it moved to Moskou after being sacked by Mongols. So I decided to go for the first choice.
Glad you like the scenario though! Thanks!
 
Thanks, I had a lot of fun plying your scenario.
Played as Poland. Suicide you say. NO. I survived and ended up 7th in score.
Mission accomplished!
 
Question ... what holdings do the Venetians have? And your first thumbnail, the selection rectangle is centered on an area of the Balkans ... what cities are those and to what power do they belong?
 
Shqype said:
Question ... what holdings do the Venetians have? And your first thumbnail, the selection rectangle is centered on an area of the Balkans ... what cities are those and to what power do they belong?

Venetians: Venezia, Corfu, Crete, Naxos

Rectangle: is centered on Italy, Papal States. Don´t know how you got the impression it was the Balkans... :confused:
 
I'm terribly sorry, you are absolutely right. I just glanced at the thumbnail and it registered that was the area.

PS, what/where is Naxos? Nish?
 
Shqype said:
I'm terribly sorry, you are absolutely right. I just glanced at the thumbnail and it registered that was the area.

PS, what/where is Naxos? Nish?

Naxos is the largest and (in ancient history) most important Aegean Island (Those isles between Greece and Turkey). In this mod it represents all Islands including Rhodos, and thus features the Colossus Wonder.
 
Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification :)
 
Hi!, im just wondering if it's possible to turn off the worldbuilder option when playing scenarios?
( i always end up cheating when im loosing too much)
 
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