Evidence for creationism, Part 2.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yet other studies have proven evolution false. People don't agree on it. And somewhere between 10% and 45% of Americans believe in a Young Earth. So it is certainly not a fact. I choose to reject it.

As for God's existence, its called fulfilled prophecies, yet that doesn't mean anything to an atheist, you'll fight against any proof for God.

Count up all the unfulfilled prophecies ever made by people claiming to be prophets.

You'll find that they are wrong just as often as random guessing will allow.

You know why I can predict that? Because people make a living claiming to be psychic just by playing those same numbers games.

Sure, they'll be wrong the grand majority of the time, but hey, as long as you ONLY look at the success rate, they seem like geniuses.

It's called IGNORE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW PROVES YOU WRONG, i.e. faith.

And somewhere between 10% and 45% of Americans believe in a Young Earth. So it is certainly not a fact.

Appeal to popularity would seem to be working against you here, because more people do not.

But it's a bad argument because appeals to popularity have nothing to do with facts, and leaning on such fallacies is the sign of someone who doesn't understand how to have a reasoned debate, i.e. you.

 

[magicfan101]

There's quite a few of them in musea. I should know because I've been to a number of them.

Are you suggesting these fossils only exist on paper? edit: Wait, I'll find some pictures for you

what im saying is that fossils do not provide a "smooth" transition from one species to the next. all the biological changes must be assumed in the mind of the scientist since this types of changes are necessary for macro-evolution to happen. therefore macro-evolution is a faith not something based on observable science.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I presume Noah put food in front of them and let them eat it themselves. I don't know.

It's amazing how intellectually un-curious you are about your own beliefs.

Why is it that an atheist can school you on how completely impossible your beliefs are, but you lack the understanding of your own beliefs to defend it properly?

If all you ever post as a defense is "I dunno, Wizardry" THAT MEANS YOU LOSE.

Don't know. Perhaps the water was calm at the bottom. I dunno.

That means you lose.

If you can't answer any questions except to say "I believe it, because I know it is true" and when people ask why you say "I dunno" that means you don't belong in an EVIDENCE FOR CREATIONISM discussion.

Evidence. You know what evidence is, right? Right??? Or has this been the problem all along?


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence


Evidence = Not blind faith and I dunno.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

what im saying is that fossils do not provide a "smooth" transition from one species to the next. all the biological changes must be assumed in the mind of the scientist since this types of changes are necessary for macro-evolution to happen. therefore macro-evolution is a faith not something based on observable science.

Not really true. You don't just find fossils lying about the place, they're in layers of sediment which indicate how old they are. So there were predictions made what kind of fossils would be found in what layers based on other finds. Now the timeline is very important for determining transitional fossil. If you find a transitional fossil that is older than the species it should grow into, there would be a problem. But they found the timeline fit the fossils they found.

 

[Tacitusitis]

Imagine if Norman Borlaug had decided to not do biology, because he couldn't understand 1st year genetics? Lots of extra starving people that wouldn't have been saved.

Trying to help people with science is against God's will because it delays the Apocalypse.










Am I a genuine Christian or just a parody? If this was my first post, NOBODY COuLD TELL.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

bats, monarch butterflies, and giraffes, are three great examples of animals that are so complicated and so different from any other species that they needed to be created in place.
bats are the only mammals that have wings(highly specialized) and live, sleep, breed upside down. plz explain how that could of evolve over "millions of years" when there are no "fossil evidence" of bat evolution. they just pop up in the fossil record.

Have you read what researchers say about bat, butterfly, and giraffe evolution?


Prove that you have read about it, by explaining what the theory is.


There's no point in discussing things with you if you haven't read anything about them yet.

the continental drift theory makes an assumption of uniformitarianism that today's rates of drifting can be applied to the past. which is something that science can not prove. i can say god made the world 6000 years ago but i don't have proof of this date except what god said in the bible(faith based assumption). neither can scientist say apply todays present dates of drift to the past (faith based assumption)

I can say god made the universe last tuesday, and that everything was put in place to make it appear to be billions of years old.

I can also claim to be a prophet and write a book about it, and cite the book as evidence.

Am I correct? Does my theory have equal weight to your theory?

If it does not have equal weight, then you must agree that the Young Earth theory does not have equal weight to the accepted scientific model, which has about a billion times more evidence for it.

i believe in micro-evolution(variety in species which god built in) not macro- evolution(molecules to man. through a random,blind,chance process)
i will be more than happy to provide more evidence.

How did we get millions of species of creatures on this planet, if they couldn't all fit in the ark?

Provide evidence of all those animals being able to fit and thrive in the ark. Explain the mechanics of it.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9969459&postcount=821

Respond to all the points made in this post which describes how the sheer mechanics and physics of the Ark are impossible.

Why did God make the world have laws of physics and things that are logical, only to constantly and consistently violate those laws in order to make dead certain logical people wouldn't believe in the christian mythology?

 

[GhostWriter16]

I can say god made the universe last tuesday, and that everything was put in place to make it appear to be billions of years old.

I can also claim to be a prophet and write a book about it, and cite the book as evidence.

Am I correct? Does my theory have equal weight to your theory?

If it does not have equal weight, then you must agree that the Young Earth theory does not have equal weight to the accepted scientific model, which has about a billion times more evidence for it.

Well, I REMEMBER last Tuesday, so that argument fails.

If you said the Earth was 200 years old, this is proven false by historical writings and other info.

Nothing is known to have happened more than 6,000 years ago.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

God placed false memories of last Tuesday inside your brain. Nothing existed then.

Prove otherwise.

Note - links to posts on CFC don't count - God created that last Tuesday with millions of posts just to fool us all.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, a lion trainer at a zoo told us that a long time ago. I don't remember the details.

As for water, that's easy, THEY BROUGHT IT ON THE BOAT WITH THEM. That's not hard at all.

Oh Jesus tap-dancing christ.

Do you know how much water that is?

Math will tell you, in both the silly example (10,000 species) and the ridiculously silly example but at least it doesn't require evolution (millions of species).

And in both cases, the amount of water necessary wouldn't be able to fit in the ship.

Worse, you're ignoring the fact that there's..... RAIN THE ENTIRE TIME.....


Why is it you skip over the simplest explanation and make everything so completely and confoundingly irrational?

I never once argued that water was even a problem, because I recognize simple logic. But you STILL have to deal with food, disease, parasites, excrement waste, and animals killing other animals.

Did a Wizard do it?

True. As I said, I don't know. They probably stored it all in one room.

You are far too content to leave everything vague.

There is no specific theory about the Ark, because it all crumbles under basic three-year-old logic. Even a child has the curiosity to ask why and how.

Why don't you?

 

[Tacitusitis]

nothing is known to have happened more than 6,000 years ago.

satire is DEAD

Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World
Members of the earth's earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as God, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.


According to recently excavated clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform script, thousands of Sumerians—the first humans to establish systems of writing, agriculture, and government—were working on their sophisticated irrigation systems when the Father of All Creation reached down from the ether and blew the divine spirit of life into their thriving civilization.

"I do not understand," reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. "A booming voice is saying, 'Let there be light,' but there is already light. It is saying, 'Let the earth bring forth grass,' but I am already standing on grass."

"Everything is here already," the pictograph continues. "We do not need more stars."

Historians believe that, immediately following the biblical event, Sumerian witnesses returned to the city of Eridu, a bustling metropolis built 1,500 years before God called for the appearance of dry land, to discuss the new development. According to records, Sumerian farmers, priests, and civic administrators were not only befuddled, but also took issue with the face of God moving across the water, saying that He scared away those who were traveling to Mesopotamia to participate in their vast and intricate trade system.

Moreover, the Sumerians were taken aback by the creation of the same animals and herb-yielding seeds that they had been domesticating and cultivating for hundreds of generations.

"The Sumerian people must have found God's making of heaven and earth in the middle of their well-established society to be more of an annoyance than anything else," said Paul Helund, ancient history professor at Cornell University. "If what the pictographs indicate are true, His loud voice interrupted their ancient prayer rituals for an entire week."

According to the cuneiform tablets, Sumerians found God's most puzzling act to be the creation from dust of the first two human beings.

"These two people made in his image do not know how to communicate, lack skills in both mathematics and farming, and have the intellectual capacity of an infant," one Sumerian philosopher wrote. "They must be the creation of a complete idiot."

 

[GhostWriter16]

God placed false memories of last Tuesday inside your brain. Nothing existed then.

Prove otherwise.

Note - links to posts on CFC don't count - God created that last Tuesday with millions of posts just to fool us all.

This is, just false...

It doesn't make any sense.

So I don't feel the need to refute it. This "Theory" has zero evidence for it and tons of evidence against it.

Also, in response to all these objections about the ark: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/caring-for-the-animals

EDIT: Yet you don't know the Sumerians were around 6,000 years ago. Also, the Earth could be more than 6,000 years old.

 

[magicfan101]

Not really true. You don't just find fossils lying about the place, they're in layers of sediment which indicate how old they are. So there were predictions made what kind of fossils would be found in what layers based on other finds. Now the timeline is very important for determining transitional fossil. If you find a transitional fossil that is older than the species it should grow into, there would be a problem. But they found the timeline fit the fossils they found.

how do we know how old the layers are???

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I REMEMBER last Tuesday, so that argument fails.

God places those memories in your brain.

If you said the Earth was 200 years old, this is proven false by historical writings and other info.

God created those writings and info.

Nothing is known to have happened more than 6,000 years ago.

Nothing is known to have happened last Monday. Everything is a lie God planted in your brain to make it think it was 6,000 years old.




Seriously dude, you don't even understand the argument I'm using. It's YOUR argument, turned against itself.

If you can't recognize that, then it's no wonder you can't respond to anything else I'm saying besides "I dunno".

Personally, if I were you, I'd come up with better things to say besides "I dunno" if you're going to continue publicly debating anyone. It's just.... sad, really.

 

[GhostWriter16]

EDIT: I think I should also explain that I do not believe they should teach Noah's Ark in School. That would be pointless and have nothing to do with academics. But neither does evolution. Keep origins out of classrooms.

EDIT: @Askthepizzaguy- Prove the Earth was created last Tuesday then.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

This is, just false...

It doesn't make any sense.

So I don't feel the need to refute it. This "Theory" has zero evidence for it and tons of evidence against it.

Sounds familiar...

I admit, I don't know how God implanted memories of time before last Tuesday in our brain, nor created millions of posts on CFC that were apparently older than last Tuesday. I just know he did. Anything claiming otherwise is just a "theory".

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is, just false...

It doesn't make any sense.

So I don't feel the need to refute it. This "Theory" has zero evidence for it and tons of evidence against it.

The bible.

Doesn't make any sense.

Is just false.

It has zero evidence for it and tons of evidence against it.

Also, in response to all these objections about the ark: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/caring-for-the-animals

QUOTE SOME ACTUAL SCIENTISTS.

Do not copy and paste links you haven't bothered to READ.

I'm talking to YOU, not some wacko who doesn't understand the physical limitations of the volume of space, breathable air, spoilage of food, etc.

YOU, not someone else, NEED to defend YOUR argument.

Do it. Try. For ONCE, just TRY. For the love of YOUR GOD, just try.

EDIT: I think I should also explain that I do not believe they should teach Noah's Ark in School. That would be pointless and have nothing to do with academics. But neither does evolution. Keep origins out of classrooms.

EDIT: @Askthepizzaguy- Prove the Earth was created last Tuesday then.

Prove the earth wasn't created last Tuesday.

Prove the earth was created 6000 years ago.

You don't even understand that what you're saying, is what WE were saying to YOU about YOUR young earth theory.

Every response you give UNDERMINES YOUR OWN YOUNG EARTH ARGUMENT.

So, which is it? If you believe the Earth magically appeared 6000 years ago, you can also believe it magically appeared last tuesday. There is no difference in the two arguments, because NEITHER have a scientific leg to stand on.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

satire is DEAD

Beat me to it!

how do we know how old the layers are???

I'm sure you'll try to discredit dating methods, so I'll circumvent that by asking you this.

Do you at least agree that the layers further to the top are younger than those below that?

 

[Tacitusitis]

Beat me to it!

seriously around 1000 years before the time God was "creating the earth," people were inventing glue

 

[GhostWriter16]

QUOTE SOME ACTUAL SCIENTISTS.

Do not copy and paste links you haven't bothered to READ.

I'm talking to YOU, not some wacko who doesn't understand the physical limitations of the volume of space, breathable air, spoilage of food, etc.

YOU, not someone else, NEED to defend YOUR argument.

Do it. Try. For ONCE, just TRY. For the love of YOUR GOD, just try.

I actually read through it, it made sense to me.

And I'm fairly certain spoilage of food could be avoided by bringing the right food. If not though, God made them live through the sickness or miraculously made them avoid the sickness. It can't be proven false.

Prove the earth wasn't created last Tuesday.

Prove the earth was created 6000 years ago.

I can't do the latter, but the former is just a postulate. Our basic memories are correct.

 

[magicfan101]

QUOTE SOME ACTUAL SCIENTISTS.

apparently having a phd does not make someone a "actual" scientist. plz provide a definition on what a real scientist must do. creationist have submitted in peer reviewed journals and we have are own peer reviewed journals. we do scientific research that help better humanity.