So we all know that Saddam was evil and a mass murderer. The supporters of the Iraq war said he killed around 300,000 of his own people. How do you know this? What information is there that states these numbers and who are the dead? In other words, exactly how many people did Saddam kill and who were they?
Exactly how many people died under Saddam?
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Do you want to include: natural death, the war with Iran, Iranians?
Don't forget to extrapolate his reign then. I mean, if he killed X people in 20 years, but was expected to reign another 20 ... we can assume 2*X people would have died under him, had he not been removed.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Well Saddam's invasion of Iran caused 1 million deaths.
But the vast majority of those deaths can be attributed to Iran's "basiege" tactics were kids locked arms and marched right into Iraqi machine guns.
But the vast majority of those deaths can be attributed to Iran's "basiege" tactics were kids locked arms and marched right into Iraqi machine guns.
El_Machinae said:
not true. In Saddam's post Gulf War I years, beside the shiite uprising that he crushed, he became quite tame.... Amnesty International estimated he only killed a few hundred a year or less in the few years before the second war.
Shaihulud
Deity
I read that Iran nearly beat Iraq too, until Saddam started using his gas. Now if Iran did it with that strategy, what does it says about the general efficiency of Iraqs troop?Bugfatty300 said:
El_Machinae said:
No, that's ridiculous and you know it. Obviously, I'm not asking for how many people would he kill, but rather how many he did kill. I assume you were joking with your post above.
EDIT: I know 7000 kurds were gassed, and 148 died in some village after his assassination attempt. The 148 deaths is what he was convicted for and is the reason for his hanging.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Shaihulud said:
Get enough willing people to charge and any position can be wiped out. Eventually the Iraqis simply ran out of ammo and where overwhelmed. As for showing efficiency of the soldiers in that kind of situation, even US troops had trouble sustaining that kind of warfare in Korea and tens of thousands of US troops were killed. None the less most Iraqi troops were conscripts but where better armed and supplied than Iranian troops.
AL_DA_GREAT
amour absinthe révolution
Ok 1 000 000 in 20 years = 50 000 a year.
655 00 in 3 years = 218 334 dead per year or 4.36 times as many.
655 00 in 3 years = 218 334 dead per year or 4.36 times as many.
aaglo
Furioso!
I think that extrapolation does not work at all in this context. At all.El_Machinae said:
It's like saying, that If I managed to have 10 children in the last 20 years, I'll continue to have another 10 children in the following 20 years.
El_Machinae said:
Actually, you can't.
Saddam in 2000 was a shell of Saddam at the height of his powers in the 1980s. 2/3s of his country was in a no-fly zone and every other week or so some poor soldiers would be killed when their superiors told them to put a radar lock on a US plane or summat.
This was large part of my objection to the current war. Saddam was bad, but in a controlled state. So, you finish the job on Al Quada/Afghanistan, then circle back and figure out how to resolve Saddam. But, the powers that be thought Iraq was more important for reasons that had nothing to do w/ 9/11 or WMD and here we are today.
@phelg, I'm sure the info is out there, to the wikimobile!
Phlegmak said:
Many of the people he killed we're burried in anonymous mass graves, sometimes prisoners who were killed were burried by their famillies also anonymously as punishment, it is almost impossible to know the true extent of the direct casualties, and the indirect ones caused by the methods he used are even harder to pin down. Just as it's hard to estimate how many people Stalin killed, estimates run from 20 million to hundreds of millions.
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
I know a lot of Kurds were killed by Suddam. I believe Shia's were also targeted by Suddam.
You should watch "Inside Suddam's Reign of Terror" on the National Geographic Channel. After hearing about some of that stuff, it makes me sick to think people didn't want to remove him.
There is no real way of knowing for sure, but my guess is easily in the hundreds of thousands.
You can try here, (this is only a 30 second search as I have a lot of work to do):
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/889tngrz.asp
You should watch "Inside Suddam's Reign of Terror" on the National Geographic Channel. After hearing about some of that stuff, it makes me sick to think people didn't want to remove him.
There is no real way of knowing for sure, but my guess is easily in the hundreds of thousands.
You can try here, (this is only a 30 second search as I have a lot of work to do):
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/889tngrz.asp
.Shane. said:
Yeah, I was being rough. I don't know the numbers, I'd just Google like everyone else. But I wanted to ensure that people were careful to know what the numbers mean.
But you're right, there're three time-periods. I wouldn't be offended if someone extrapolated his kill-rate after the Iraq War I forward into the future.
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