Explain to me a scenario in which Police State is useful

[Hammurbabble]

When someone says that switching out of Representation will crash their economy, I know they're running a full-on SE. This is one reason why I don't do that; I use a combination of specialists and commerce rather than depending on just one. Switching from Rep to PS or US hurts my research some but not horribly.

PS is crucial if you're going for a Domination win on anything except a Pangaea map. (On Pangaea you can win early enough with small enough cities that it's not as important.) The idea is to expand enough early on with punctuated wars to get a good lead, then when you get Fascism, Mt. Rushmore built, and Jails in every city, go PS and stay at war from that point until you win, without ever having to worry about WW.

But yeah, you can't be running a pure SE and get away with this, you have to have some decent commerce to fuel your research without that +3 per specialist bonus.

 

[Iranon]

Nothing wrong with a SE and Police State, quite the contrary (in a developed CE, towns out'produce' workshops with the Kremlin).

Just say goodbye to your scientific advance for the duration of the war. Work hammer tiles and whip/draft starving specialists into something useful. If you don't need that much military, use the time to build useful infrastructure or civilian units to recover more quickly after the war is over.

If suddenly your research is halved and a good part of your production gets a sizable bonus, shift focus.
You can grow yourself some new eggheads after the war when they will actually do something, right now you need sweatshop workers instead of thinkers.

 

[DMOC]

Hur hur, 3 of the top people posting in a row.


Thanks everyone that bothered posted.

Does that include me?

 

[CivCorpse]

Does that include me?

Of course it does. He mentioned everyone that bothered to post.

 

[DMOC]

I meant the top 3 people he mentioned.



BTW how did you get that wicked smiley on top of your post?

 

[Genv [FP]]

He's the secret administrator's alt account.

Ever wonder why you get banned arguing against him?

 

[TeraHammer]

In multiplayer teamers, police state is very usefull building that extra units.

 

[CivCorpse]

I meant the top 3 people he mentioned.



BTW how did you get that wicked smiley on top of your post?

The evil icon is a perk of being a top 3 poster. Buahahaha

 

[azzaman333]

I win the internet!

 

[da dick]

i guess it's more useful if you have a big tech lead but you haven't been building up your defences/army.

if i built the pyramid 1st, i would use it to overwhelm enemies with stacks of UUs.

 

[mirthadir]

1. Play Byzantium.
2. Build the mids (or take).
3. Get early guilds/drama (this is not needed before the war).
4. Swap to PS, Fuedalism, Slavery, and theocracy (if possible).
5. Raise hordes of cataphracts before the AI has castles or pike.

25% more production = 25% more units = 56% more effective offensive power (n-squared is roughly applicable) = ~150% faster conquest (due to less time needed to heal, fewer delays from detaching garrison units, a wider unit production pipe to the front, etc.).

Could you have higher a higher happy cap with HR? Yes. But you have fewer units and your UB let's you abuse the culture slider so you can generate more UUs and take more land before the AI gets counters. Could you have a better economy with rep? Yes. However land ~= more research. This ignores the bonus reduction to WW. Going with an oracle, GE bulb, GE bulb gambit to guilds on epic or marathon should foctate that PS lets you kill or vassalize at least one additional civ before the AI gets counters.

 

[pigswill]

If you're running a 'pure' SE then you don't need police state for WW coz you build theatres and coliseums and crank the culture slider to 100% for +15 happy in every city.

 

[Scaramanga]

I would add -50% penalty for not running emancipation when others are to Police State so that you could run slavery longer, making the Kremlin more useful. "Gulag Economy" is fun IMO.

 

[Crighton]

"Gulag Economy" = lol

Anyhoo, PS for when you just have to kill everylast mofo and you don't want to have to coddle your pathetic, sniveling, wimpy, hippy loving citizens.

 

[hal08]

I used PS for the first time seriously in the game I just finished for the extra military production given my limited land area but high tech rate. I had 1 cottage city, 1 mega production city, 1 GP farm, 2 small commerce cities working dye tiles, and 2 marginal production cities. Peter and Justinian were on my continent and we quickly became friendly with each other due to religion and civics so we raced through the tech tree. I pumped out units almost non-stop once I had astro, rifles/cavs, and cannons, vassalizing the entire main continent by the time infantry and artillery came along.

 

[Diamondeye]

Use it for very late SE military production or just to keep WW down when fighting a monster AI opponent. If you nuke like crazy, it might be the only way to deal with 1500 WW .

I've had 1500 WW pre-knights. I didn't have the Pyramids. I lost the game.

See?

 

[CivEikka]

When you're decided to take conquest victory.

 

[IagoAlberto]

My current game as Monty where I decided a drafted rifles war would be just the right thing to deal with a soon to be runnaway Hannibal. I built and drafted the rifles just got cannons Then out of nowhere I see rifles in Hannobal's cities. I go to war anyways and grab two main cities quickly with the main stack while the subsidiary stack kicks Hannibal's vassal Joao off the continent. The war settles into a stalemate after I vassilize Joao.

I take peace grab assembly line then artillery and have at it again only to discover MG's in Hannibal's cities. The war grinds on, taking losses capturing cities. Hannibal brings in the Poles on his side (I play the wolfhanze mod). So I knock them around and they vassal to the Austrians. At this point police state becomes a priority, HR rule was keeping up mostly with the unhappiness but it got unmanagable, what with the Austrians having the SoZ and all the rest. I then proceded to finish the game fighting a three front war, soon down to a two front one after the poles are off the continent and vassaled. I won via domination, in case you couldn't already guessed

So there you have it, police state is valuable if you want to fight the civil war, world war 1 then 2 all rolled into one big mess.

 

[Heeringas]

Sorry about the long post...

I haven´t use much police state.
But I did use it in my latest game as Stalin and it was the winning move!!!
I had built the mids. I had six cities. I was far behind of my opponents.

China, my friend was east and Cuyrus the top leader on west side.
North of curys was Byzantium Buddish leader (he spread buddishm to every city in the world and built apostol Place as well). and west from persia and Byzantium there was Churchill and Zara yaqob.
East of china there was pericles, who had built two cities next to my borders but chine cut connection to mother greek.

Everybody was friend with each other... I was looking for the way to kill cuyrus...but how?

I prebuild various kinds of units in all my cities, for long time...I didn´t have solid economy so I couldn´t finnsih those soldiers yet...I wanted to get liberalism first...

Around the time of education I revolted to Police state, vassalage... I finnished all those trebs, maces and pikes etc....

I declared war against Pericles and took those two cities next to me. When I grossed the border of greek and had my first fight. My GOLDEN AGE started.

I suppose that was because of police state? But I´m not sure...

Anyway, during the golden age I was able to get the world war going. Ironically with the education ...I gave edu to china -agaisnt greek. Edu to byzantiumand ethiopia-against Persia. Churchill was only one who didn´t partisipate, but he was buddish so he joined later against Persia.

After I took those two greek cities. I declared Agaist persia... I took all their cities quite easily because they had killed all those knight and maces in other fronts...

Still during the golden age I had revolted back to "better" civics...But that short time with police state changed the situation complitely... It was the winning move I can say.

With all that new land I played peacefully till times of rifles and cavarly... Upgraded all the troops with city raider 3 to rifles...I took Byzantium churchill and Zara...domination 1700Ad...

I might use police state again ...it sure helped

 

[redmosquito]

If you already have military academies in lots of cities. and if you already have a huge production advantage. or if you have a military tech lead. i.e. you are the only one to have industrialism