We can let our borders pop the hut, so we don't risk barbs.
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3W from Choi is marshes. 1W-2S is a fish pretty sure not on marshes but on coastal tile (sweet or salty?).
Okay for me. Although I have a slight preference to send Choi N - I tend to use those hills too frequently.
I had barbs popped by cultural borders - at least by founding a new town next to a hut. I'm pretty sure the only fact guaranteeing to get no barbs is to have no military.
We would pop that hut by settling a town on the river delta (rather than waiting 50 turns for another 90 culture points).
So we CAN get barbs there. But I would wait also before popping it.
Not quite true, your old memory must be failingI had barbs popped by cultural borders - at least by founding a new town next to a hut. I'm pretty sure the only fact guaranteeing to get no barbs is to have no military.
. You cannot get barbs from a hut if you have a town within 1 tile from the hut, i.e. if you settle right next to it. Since we are playing on Emperor, the chances are normally (%)
City 5
Tech 10
Gold 5
Settler 5
Map 5
Warrior 5
Barbarians 65
With a city 1 tile away, the chances would instead be
Tech 33.3
Gold 16.7
Settler 16.7
Map 16.7
Warrior 16.7
Clearly much better, if we could put a city next to that hut.
Here is the strategy article on the subject.
Woops! I didn't really consider how long we would have to wait for another cultural expansion.
I also never realized that one could pop barbs by settling more than a tile away.
I also never realized that one could pop barbs by settling more than a tile away.
Well, you'd still need to get the hut within your borders for it to be popped. So it would have to be in a position between your old borders and your new town such that when you settle the new one, the old and new borders are one tile apart with the hut between them.I also never realized that one could pop barbs by settling more than a tile away.
Never been so glad to be wrongNot quite true, your old memory must be failing
If we have a chance to settle that town after we got Writing, we could start Philo and cross our fingers to pop CoL...
Would be best of course if we had found a trading partner by than to get those cheap 1st tier techs before...
So let's keep it as long as possible...
donsig
Low level intermediary
Thought it would be good to get a jump on our next turn by pasting the thumbs from turn 11 here.
Should Choi continue west into the desert so he can see if the water there is fresh or salty? There's a hill to the N and mountain to the S.
Jong-Yul is facing a jungle to the W but after that a mountain is W. It has already been suggested that he climb that peak.
Our second worker will be here, too. He is scheduled to move to the sugar tile, then mine it then road it. We are sending him to the one on the river which is N-NE of The Chamber, right? That takes two moves, the other sugar takes only one move since it is directly S of The Chamber. The spreadsheet shows only one move for worker #2 so I'm confused (again).
The west:
The east:
Should Choi continue west into the desert so he can see if the water there is fresh or salty? There's a hill to the N and mountain to the S.
Jong-Yul is facing a jungle to the W but after that a mountain is W. It has already been suggested that he climb that peak.
Our second worker will be here, too. He is scheduled to move to the sugar tile, then mine it then road it. We are sending him to the one on the river which is N-NE of The Chamber, right? That takes two moves, the other sugar takes only one move since it is directly S of The Chamber. The spreadsheet shows only one move for worker #2 so I'm confused (again).
The west:
The east:
zyxy
Warmongering Fool
Choi could perhaps step south once, to taste the fishy waters. But west is also fine I think, because we will not be settling here for a while.
Your suggestion for Yong sounds good to me.
The worker should move to the southern sugar in one step I think. Or will our road be finished next turn?
EDIT2: Indeed, it seems the road would fbe finished at the start of turn 12. In that case the riverside sugar can be reached in one turn, and obviously, it is preferable to improve this sugar tile rather than the other one.
EDIT: and yes, please ignore the hut for now. Barbie risk is way too high, and techs are still quite cheap and not really worth it.
Your suggestion for Yong sounds good to me.
The worker should move to the southern sugar in one step I think. Or will our road be finished next turn?
EDIT2: Indeed, it seems the road would fbe finished at the start of turn 12. In that case the riverside sugar can be reached in one turn, and obviously, it is preferable to improve this sugar tile rather than the other one.
EDIT: and yes, please ignore the hut for now. Barbie risk is way too high, and techs are still quite cheap and not really worth it.
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
My first choice for Choi would be South... I just love the view from mountains. Depending on the way the coastline bends, it's possible the view from that Mountain to our south will answer the question about that water tile by the desert anyway.
Second choice is West, to directly get a better peak at that water, as you suggested.
As for Jong-Yul, West, West sounds good to me also... love those mountains!
Second choice is West, to directly get a better peak at that water, as you suggested.
As for Jong-Yul, West, West sounds good to me also... love those mountains!
I don't like moving S with Choi, that costs us two turns on our trip towards the west and meeting other teams, since we would have to take a step N again to avoid the sea further west. I would much prefer a step W.
fe3333au
Deity
I'm a big one for mountain hopping, but I'm easy either way 
Although Choi climbing the mountain south will perhaps uncover a fish on the coast (nice thing for a coastal city)
regarding Hut ... we should leave it until alot later (there is little danger in anyone popping it before us)
Although Choi climbing the mountain south will perhaps uncover a fish on the coast (nice thing for a coastal city)
regarding Hut ... we should leave it until alot later (there is little danger in anyone popping it before us)
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
That's a good point, but is only true is the ocean cuts us off to the south, which we don't really know yet.
Esp. since we're dealing with a world with top/bottom wrapping, it's really hard to say from just looking at our location on the minimap.
If we're agreed we want to head North/West, then yeah, West is best.
But if we're just looking to reveal as much terrain as possible as quickly as possible, then it's hard to pass up a mountain vista.
I'm not opposed to West – if it turns out that water is salty, it's probably a good clue that the ocean does connect down to the south there… Just trying to play devils advocate a bit here.
Boy - I was dead certain that I'd opt for West with Choi, but General_W reminded me of a salient feature of this map: North-South wrapping. I vote SOUTH, for what it's worth
fe3333au
Deity
IMO unblacking the map is the prime purpose of our wanders, therefore if we have to vear off a compass west plotting ever so slightly to see more the lay of the land, then so be it.
I do not agree, I think S is a short-term gain but a long-term sacrifice, regardless of N-S wrapping. But I will bow to the majority.
Agree with Niklas, I understand Fe's point about removing fog however we are still pretty much in our home lands and the fog here will be lifted in due course anyway, priority for choi, imo, is to go out and find the other teams.
We may need a vote on this if opinion is divided?
We may need a vote on this if opinion is divided?
I vote Choi south onto the mountain.
There is a probability that there could just be coast on the other side of the mountains. That would be very valuable information, meaning there is less chance that we have to worry about enemies to the south.
I say that info is worth more than the little delay it costs us in moving west.
There is a probability that there could just be coast on the other side of the mountains. That would be very valuable information, meaning there is less chance that we have to worry about enemies to the south.
I say that info is worth more than the little delay it costs us in moving west.
Hmm...
There's a bit of debate here. One thing to clear up - moving south only costs us 1 turn on our march West. If we move S, then W, NW, NW we finish on the tile just north of the bay. If we don't move south, but go W, W, W, we're on that same tile 1 turn earlier.
As for the tallies so far:
West
Niklas
Aigburth
South
PeterGrimes
General_W
Fe3333au
TomasJJ
Fine Eitherway
zxyx
There's a bit of debate here. One thing to clear up - moving south only costs us 1 turn on our march West. If we move S, then W, NW, NW we finish on the tile just north of the bay. If we don't move south, but go W, W, W, we're on that same tile 1 turn earlier.
As for the tallies so far:
West
Niklas
Aigburth
South
PeterGrimes
General_W
Fe3333au
TomasJJ
Fine Eitherway
zxyx
Not true. If we move S (mnt), then W (for), then NW (pl), then NW we end up on the plains tile 2W of our current position. Thus if we move straight W we would be on that same tile 2 turns earlier, as I argued previously, it would only take 2 moves W to get there. Still, I'm fine with S if that's what the majority wants.
I'm for Choi going west.
I'd rather go straight away, meet rivals. Possibly losing two turns is a huge factor imo.
However there is a certain chance that we meet a rival (a warrior like Choi) by climbing that mountain, there's also a chance that the coastline differs from Niklas' assumption. Yet my instinct tells me to head west.
I'd rather go straight away, meet rivals. Possibly losing two turns is a huge factor imo.
However there is a certain chance that we meet a rival (a warrior like Choi) by climbing that mountain, there's also a chance that the coastline differs from Niklas' assumption. Yet my instinct tells me to head west.
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