Fall From Heaven 2 - Card game

[arcticnightwolf]

Public it right now, and you'll get judgment from us AND (probably) from big boss ... (

 

[Sifaus]

I need 2 days, 'couse i must play many example games with my friends. Civs and Units really needs a balance. As i said, wait until weekend

 

[xienwolf]

It is generally best not to go public with something before you have finished major, sweeping changes. Can very easily cause people to become violently defensive about putting things back the first way you had them, when you made the changes for a very good (and often subtle) reason.

 

[Kael]

I need 2 days, 'couse i must play many example games with my friends. Civs and Units really needs a balance. As i said, wait until weekend

I read it all. I would focus on the core game mechanics more than the cards. Designing the cards is fun, but the game has to be enjoyable at a base level first. You have done a great job of capturing the FfH flavor, but dont let it make design decisions for you, do what makes your game the most fun.

But that will probably come out in your play testing. Really beat up the gameplay mechanics and get them to be as elegant as possible before worrying about adding new cards to the mix.

It also seems that it may be heavy on the mental math with percentage kills, high attack damage totals and dice results all in the mix. You may want to see if there is any way you can simplify the mechanics. Simple with strategic depth are the twin goals (though they often pull you in different directions).

Thats my take at least, though Somnium is the only card game ive ever designed so its just one guys opinion, others may feel differently.

 

[JFred]

But I'd like to know the rules ... (or example game) ... or on what is this game based on ... Action Points (like in I-don't-know-in-what) ?

Like in Netrunner, one of the best TCG ever. Best game created by Richard Garfield (his own opinion and my own, too !) Try it guys if you can, you won't regret it !

 

[cyther]

Looks pretty cool.

 

[Sifaus]

I read it all. I would focus on the core game mechanics more than the cards. Designing the cards is fun, but the game has to be enjoyable at a base level first. You have done a great job of capturing the FfH flavor, but dont let it make design decisions for you, do what makes your game the most fun.

But that will probably come out in your play testing. Really beat up the gameplay mechanics and get them to be as elegant as possible before worrying about adding new cards to the mix.

I'll see what can i do for fun, as you said, i can't understand this before playing test-games.

It also seems that it may be heavy on the mental math with percentage kills, high attack damage totals and dice results all in the mix. You may want to see if there is any way you can simplify the mechanics. Simple with strategic depth are the twin goals (though they often pull you in different directions).

I can change all calculations of game, while test games, if i find something easier and good, i'll change the entire mechanics. The main strategy is selecting player's own "Army Deck" and i know its weak now. These days i think about a way to improve it.

Anything now depends on test games

PS: I have a new idea today. I only need to improve it. (Promotion-Tokens or Cards for non-arcane units, like spell-promotions.)

 

[arcticnightwolf]

Any news?

btw, Sifaus, you have really nice image, which really coresponds withyour info "Empyrean Warrior"... ((

Spoiler :

 

[Sifaus]

Any news?

btw, Sifaus, you have really nice image, which really coresponds withyour info "Empyrean Warrior"... ((

Spoiler :

hahaha ok then i'll change

edit: no, there is no news for now, only trying to add seZereth's combat system. Mine sys. wasn't so good

 

[Sifaus]

never mind, i solve

 

[Sifaus]

Hi, everyone.

I have a new preview about game. Starter deck Civilizations!

Spoiler :

Amurites (N)

Bonus: Arcane units gain 2d.

Unique unit: Wizard (Replaces Mage) – May Cast 2 spells in a turn.
Firebow (Replaces Longbowman) – +3f

Hero: Govannon – 3n 3n 2d, Spellcaster(2)


Balseraphs (E)

Bonus: Player may attack 2 times for a turn. Take Create Puppet Spell Card too.

Unique unit: Harlequin (Replaces Ranger) – +3f 2d
Mimic (Replaces Champion) – +3n 2d

Hero: Loki – 4n 4n 2d, Spellcaster(1), Can Cast Create Puppet


Bannor (G)

Bonus: All units gain 2a. At start, Bannor Player adds his Army Deck 4 more Spell Cards.

Unique unit: None

Hero: Donal Lugh – 4n 4n 2d, May attack 2 times for a turn.


Calabim (E)

Bonus: If you kill a unit from any opponent, the killed unit becomes Bloodpet (You’ll need to Place This, Active Units Zone. Otherwise, They’ll go back to Army deck).

Unique unit: Bloodpet (Replaces Warrior) – +2a, 2d

Hero: Losha Valas – 3n 5n 2d, Spellcaster(1)


Elohim (G)

Bonus: All units gain 2d. At start, Elohim Player adds his Army Deck 4 more Spell Cards.

Unique unit: None

Hero: Corlindale – 3n 3n 2d, spellcaster(2)


Grigori (N)
Bonus: Neutralizes opponent’s Civilization bonus, while opponent attack to (Grigori) player. At start, Grigori player selects 2 more Unique Unit Cards and 2 more Spell Cards. Take Dead’s Tise spell Card too.

Unique unit: Dragon Slayer (Replaces Champion) – +2n 3d
Grigori Medic (Replaces Summoner) – +2d, Start with Dead’s Rise spell

Hero: None

Note; "d" means Defend die, "a" means Attack die, "n" means normal die and "f" means first strike die. Their explanations will be in rulebook.

 

[arcticnightwolf]

Nice, but ... emmmm .... I think ... I'll not understand this, until there won't be detail step by step example game ... (with debug-level logging )

 

[fuzzy_bunnies]

[edit] Nevermind.

 

[seZereth]

Hi, everyone.

I have a new preview about game. Starter deck Civilizations!

Spoiler :

Amurites (N)

Bonus: Arcane units gain 2d.

Unique unit: Wizard (Replaces Mage) – May Cast 2 spells in a turn.
Firebow (Replaces Longbowman) – +3f

Hero: Govannon – 3n 3n 2d, Spellcaster(2)


Balseraphs (E)

Bonus: Player may attack 2 times for a turn. Take Create Puppet Spell Card too.

Unique unit: Harlequin (Replaces Ranger) – +3f 2d
Mimic (Replaces Champion) – +3n 2d

Hero: Loki – 4n 4n 2d, Spellcaster(1), Can Cast Create Puppet


Bannor (G)

Bonus: All units gain 2a. At start, Bannor Player adds his Army Deck 4 more Spell Cards.

Unique unit: None

Hero: Donal Lugh – 4n 4n 2d, May attack 2 times for a turn.


Calabim (E)

Bonus: If you kill a unit from any opponent, the killed unit becomes Bloodpet (You’ll need to Place This, Active Units Zone. Otherwise, They’ll go back to Army deck).

Unique unit: Bloodpet (Replaces Warrior) – +2a, 2d

Hero: Losha Valas – 3n 5n 2d, Spellcaster(1)


Elohim (G)

Bonus: All units gain 2d. At start, Elohim Player adds his Army Deck 4 more Spell Cards.

Unique unit: None

Hero: Corlindale – 3n 3n 2d, spellcaster(2)


Grigori (N)
Bonus: Neutralizes opponent’s Civilization bonus, while opponent attack to (Grigori) player. At start, Grigori player selects 2 more Unique Unit Cards and 2 more Spell Cards. Take Dead’s Tise spell Card too.

Unique unit: Dragon Slayer (Replaces Champion) – +2n 3d
Grigori Medic (Replaces Summoner) – +2d, Start with Dead’s Rise spell

Hero: None

Note; "d" means Defend die, "a" means Attack die, "n" means normal die and "f" means first strike die. Their explanations will be in rulebook.

he is talking about dice here, die mit be missleading

 

[Sifaus]

Hi,

I finished rulebook, with helps of seZereth. Tomorrow, i'll play some test game(s) with my friends, at school. I think, this week, whole game going to ready to download and print (but it hasn't got any art yet).

Sifaus,