Fascist Patch for Civ3

[yonif]

Now don't take me as a racist or whatever. I have studied facism in Europe, etc. I am Jewish, so don't think I support it or anything. Facism was first thought up by Mussolini in Italy during the 1920s when he became its dictator. Facism is like Communism in that a dictator rules. But unlike communism, it is a capitalistic or "corporate" state which has capitalism. The thing is capitalism is government controlled. Now fascism in Italy was NOT RACIST until Hitler made a pact with Mussolini, causing Mussolini to inact racial laws, etc. like jews not being allowed into the Facist party. When Hitler was rising to power he was using parts of the facist doctrine, but he manipulated it into NAZISM, which is a different kind of thing socially-speaking and that is that it is FASCISM with a RACIAL policy. So Hitler was a Nazi not a fascist. So the fact the author has pictures of hitler associated with Fascism is not accurate at all. He was with Nazism, which was racial. So when we talk about fascism as in a pure form people are inaccurate to oppose it due to its racial policies, due to the fact there are none. You can be opposed to it due to its undemocratic nature, its repressive form etc. Another note about fascism as a government: it believed that WAR was a nation's true test. So associating Fascism with expansionialism is a accurate kind of thing.

Hitler was a Nazi, rose as a Fascist
Mussolini was a Fascist, which rose as a Fascist, but who adopted Nazi ideas in order to appease the pact with Hitler.

 

[bnmac3]

I finally downloaded the fascist patch, and I see nothing wrong with it.The only thing was not downloading the hitler pics, which had an option of not having that part. Civ 3 should have put it in anyways....

 

[Wolfshanze]

Sorry Yonif, but Fascism and Nazism will ALWAYS be associated with one another, and both have incredibly similar economic models. Nazism itself was spawned from Fascism as you yourself said, so it is a derivitive of Fascism, and is ergo appropriate to speak of them together. Racist garbage aside, the mere mention of Fascism often conjures up Nazi Germany whether you like it or not Yonif, Hitler will always be associated with Fascism.

Would you sleep better at night if I called it the "NAZISM PATCH"? It would still be the exact same thing... I think you're getting a little too obsessed with names and trying very hard to split a hair here... they're too similar to split up in a game as generic as Civ3, so sorry, trying to say Hitler has nothing to do with Fascism, especially in a Civ3 sense, is simply idiotic.

 

[bnmac3]

I am sorry wolfshane, but I agree with yonif. There is a difference between facism and nazism. Your basically calling all of the other fascist counties of the time (Italy, Spain, Argentina) Nazis. That is in essence what you are saying....I just dont agree.

 

[RebelX210]

Wolfshanze, congratulations on a great Civ3 patch and kudos for all the hard work. I personally use Führer Hitler as leader of Germany and National Socialism as an included government (similar to your Fascist government but with higher worker efficiency, paid labor, and 0% assimilation chance). And to all the critics of this patch: sit down, shut up, and realize that without "evil fascism" all of Europe would have fallen to damned Soviet communism. If you don't like it, don't download it, but quit condemning Wolfshanze for his work.

 

[Wolfshanze]

BNMac3,

You don't get it either... I am not calling all Fascists Nazis, but I am calling all Nazis Fascists....

It's a simple corrolation really, and I'm surprised you all don't understand something so very simple.

Nazism is a form of Fascism, but not vice versa... you wouldn't have Nazism without Fascism.

For the purpose of this patch, and in a game as abstract as Civ3, Fascism and Nazism are the same in GOVERNMENT FORM, NOT IDIOLOGY. How the two governments WORK is almost identical... how they have ideologies is differant, but simply put, ideologies are NOT reflected in Civ3, ergo they are both the same.

All Nazi nations are a form of Fascist, but not all Fascists are Nazis...

Much the same as all Generalissimo Francisco Francos are dead, but not all dead people are Generalissimo Francisco Franco.

 

[maty-69]

who cares! they're all f*uckheads anyways so why seperate them? australia isnt literally a democracy, its a republican monarch but everyone still calls it a "democracy"( its a republican monarch because it has a senate, prime minister etc and monarch because they rule under the british crown and have a governor general-the queen's representative), phew! felt good to get THAT off my mind, sorry to bore you's but...yea

 

[Barenziahlover]

Originally posted by ironfang
Its hard to seperate the fact that people who play CIV may have no real concept of history.

To call Fascism "historicaly insignifigant" would be saying that WWII had no real affect on the 20th century. If you wanna look at it in this light, communism is almost as "historically insignifigant" because it really only lasted 1/2 a century, but we still have it.

For all of you who have had your tiny little minds crafted by "after school specials" and "Lifetime specials" I have some historical notes for you.

Attrocities you just didnt know about (or you werernt concerned about because it didnt happen to a US ally) and government types that go along with it.


Time Period Killed Government Responsible
250AD 300,000+ Roman Republic
3rd Punic War
Destruction of Carthage
1200-1400AD 2M+ English Monarchy
Crusades
African Slave Trade
1600AD 1M+ Theocracy, Inquisition
1775-1850 30M+ Democracy, USA
Western Imperialist
Expansion,
Native American Genocide
First documented use of
bio-warfare.
1935 25M+ German, Facism.
Jewish/Polish/Russian
Massacres
1950 10M+ USSR, Communism
Stalinization of Russia
1960-1990 5M+ Iraq, Despotism
Ethnic Cleansing of Kurdish

So pick your "innocent" government.

On the Fascist note, the Italians where fascist but committed no genocide. There are governments today (Isreal) that very closely resemble fascism ironicaly enough, but we dont call them fascisms, we call them Socialist-Democracies.

ironfang

Ironfang I E-Mail our Secretary of State
call Israel than Fascist Nazi like Police State that is totaly dishonest by calling
itself than Demonacy. Than America is
just as bad, I read in the NY Time E-Mail version that one of their Reporter was tell than Pakistan Clerical
that if was wrong to kill people for barmical and the Clerical said President
Bill Clinton murder Christian.
I will download this patch as I alway
like than honest fascist over than dishonest demoncat or repulician any day.

 

[Barenziahlover]

Originally posted by King Of America
I think almost all the posts about Fascism have missed an important point: it failed historically. It failed quickly (within 12 years) and in addiion to destroying millions of people, it subjected its most prominent supporters to ridicule for most, if not all, of history since its demise.

For better or for worse, fundamentalism has proven more effective.

First Hilter was dyning of Parkson Diease
than he start WW2 alot sooner than he plan on as he really hated the jew and want to wripe then off the face of the planet. The other leader of the Nazi party
like the commander of chief of the air force and the head of the SS like to excast money from the Jews instead of
killing . So Hilter realism he would have
to start than war as in war time you can get away with alot more than you can in peace time.

There is than Book title The Good Old Days The Holocaust as seem by its Perpetrators and Bystanders. Hiimmler
issue than standing order that any SS
men or german soilder that didnot want to murder Jew and other can refuse to so with no officate action taken against then but have to do other duty in place of it. The SS have in each compancy than man assign to make sure the SS didnot violate human
right or civil right and he was to report
any violate to Himmler an the International Red Cross but he was alway reporting in sick when the SS was doing it work so he wouldnot have
to report anything.

 

[Barenziahlover]

Originally posted by VoodooAce
BTW, I'm actually so white and blonde that, while living in Portland, Oregon about 6 years ago, I was recruited by a guy that I thought was my friend (we worked together in a bar) to join a neo-nazi group.

Dude and his fat girlfriend were very sick. Tapes of Randy Weaver speaking to all his sick, ignorant little soldiers. Posters. Ruby Ridge and Waco. Sick stuff, man.

He got about 30 seconds into his pitch when I let him know how wrong he had judged me!!!!

BTW, Waco? Didn't they open up on the feds first. I mean before they set their own compound on fire?!?! :crazyeyes 'Nuf said!

First it doesnot take 400 heavy armed
Clinton SS to service than search warrient it only take two unarmed cops to do so. If I was to see 400 heavy armed assault gun carrying Clinton SS or Bush SS I would open fire
right as their have hostile tend.

The people in the Compound in Wacco
Texas didnot break any laws and the FBI (Federal Bureas of Idiot) are guilt of
cold blood murder.

Bill Clinton want to murder some christian.

 

[Barenziahlover]

Hilter orginate want to start world war 2 in either 1942 or 1944 when his military
built up would have been finish.
In Sep of 1939 the germany airforce test flew than jet aipplane that have than top speed of 300 mph but climb to 30 thousand feet in 3 minutes time which
hightly impress the airforce big shot as it took the Me Bf 109 anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes to get to 10 thousand feet. The germany airforce want to order this plane even thought it was slower than the Bf 109. The Air Force Commander in chief kill it as he thought the war would be over soon.

I read than book written by than England Major of SAC that if Gremany have invade England in the middle of july
of 1940 he would than very good change of success in the invadeion.

 

[Greensleeves]

A lot has been said about this mod. Simply put, if you do not like it, or the thing it represents, don't play it.
This forum is to discuss "play" while using this mod. This is NOT a political arena or forum, nor is it a forum for discussing theological or sociological ideals. Stick to whether you can provide POSITIVE input to making this MOD better.
The website is not designed to promote the authors ideals. It is there, with appropriate warnings, to give an example of a MOD for use with a GAME. If you want, why not build a MOD specifically designed to root out such governemtns and wipe them out?! oooohhhh. It's called Civilization!

 

[The1930sRust]

I dont get what is wrong with you people? Maybe bored or just colorful imaginations? A skilled modmaker creates a patch for those that wish to add the government FASCISM & Nazi Germany which are both important parts of history that didn't make it into the game. His page is obviously decorated with symbols connected to Fascism & Nazi Germany... He has many warnings on his page and even says that he is not a fascist on one... Yet one person still claims he is likely a fascist and this mod is somehow sickening? That the fact you can play as hitler and use fascism is somehow more evil than using ICBMS and starving your cities to increase production???... Very silly! Anyway, I would like to see the mod is excellent and integrates itself very well into the game, I enjoyed playing a long game of CIV3 as Germany with the patch, and I was being picked on by England, Zulu, Aztecs, and Russia... But when I got Panzer Tanks I used them in conjunction with France to take down their capital cities... FUN ITS JUST A GAME!!! Remember? It ISNT a reflection of real life, even if it attempts to be, the world doesnt work like this.

 

[maty-69]

thank you! *clap clap clap*, its about f*ucking time someone said that!

 

[NChSh]

Relax...good...now take a deep breath, slowly through the nose. Fill your lungs from the bottom up until they are fully expanded. Now, slowly and fluidly, exhale through the mouth. Repeat!...Feel any better? So tell me about your anger? What is really bothering you about this mod?

Your reactions seem humorous, though expected. We're dealing with a game about history, and what is history really about? Conquest, slaughter, slavery, tyranny, ect. Do you think that empires were established by nice people? This entire game is about people just like Hitler. And by the way, Hitler reflected the attitudes of a great deal of the European population during that time period. Can you name any dominant civilization that did not acheive its "greatness" through crushing the skulls of its enemies. Sure a few of the leaders on this game could qualify as "nice" people, but look at the history of those civilization and remember that history is written by the victors.

...oh, I see. You're not one of those "war-gamer" types who just goes around bashing heads for territory and reasources. No, you like to play Gandhi and try to make friends with everyone. Your only concern is for the happiness of you're people, and you've even created a mod to simulate hunger strikes when "evil" civilizations take over your pathetic hamlets. I'm sorry, did I hurt your feelings? I sure didn't mean to...

Enough ego bashing for now (I really don't mean it anyway). Seriously though, I'm really glad someone was willing to create this mod. I don't think it took any real courage, just an enlightened attitude. People take things way too seriously. Many peoples' attitudes about "morality" and "evil" smack of the same "absolute right" and fascism of the very people they rail against. C'mon now, this is a game. I don't think that the author, or most people playing with this mod, "glorify" the actual leaders and governments that they are playing. Are you so close-minded, or mentally inflexable, that you can't separate a game from "reality," whatever that is.

Personally, I have a great deal of fun playing "evil" empires. I am, for the record, not a fascist; I don't think that PEOPLE should be governed at all. I am also not a racist, which would be rather difficult for me, as I quite often use the Vodou model of reality for many religious practices. Which, by the way, is made of predominantly "black" (in the African sense) entities. Those who thinks it matters, generally classify me as "white." None the less, I enjoy simulating the history of an empire with all of its gory details. I find myself unable to find any corrolation between what is going on in my game, and my "reality" outside of the game. Maybe, it's because I lack that ability to actually believe totally in anything, or because my brain, while fully capable of finding similarities between two very unlike things (such as civ 3 and the "real" Nazi Germany), I don't seem to have the ability to take it to the next level and "believe" that what I do with a fictional simulation of Hitler and Nazi Germany has anything to do with the "real" Hitler or Nazi Germany.

...And also, the graphics and music on the web page are great! Keep it up dude.

 

[rg3333]

I've played this mod and i didn't see a problem with it. If you think about if you like it or not but Fascism is apart of the world's history and we can't change that. So it does need to be in this game because this game is about civilizations and Fascism is apart of a civilization.

 

[bnmac3]

The critism I have is the gameplay. Eventually, almost everyone(except America, England, and (France usually stays republic)) go fascist. Its not really the mods fault though. I think the AI is messed up, because if I am a democountry(england) and I go to war with germany, I take there city, I can keep it after starvation and resistance. If a facist country(germany) takes one of my cities, it razes it. I wouldnt know because I havent played a game without the patch!

I see your point wolfzane.

 

[William528]

I don't think the patch is sick or wrong, as the author says:

"I believe that our most important mission is to make past history known correctly, to reflect on what should be reflected, to forget the hatred, to cooperate for man's happiness and the maintenance of the earth, and to teach these matters to the children of the next generation"

But I do think the site should be less "decorative".

 

[joespaniel]

But I do think the site should be less "decorative".

Bingo. Nothing wrong with the patch at all.

The site glorifies nazism, plain and simple.

I am quite familiar with it, from downloading the Civ2 fascist patch. I recommend the feint-hearted not go there.

 

[Mauer]

This is a great patch. The only thing I don't like is that I can't load "jeeps" into transports. Also, I don't know about the rest of you, but before I downloaded this patch I was a Republican. After visiting the website, and playing as Germany, I consider myself an active member of national socialism. Anybody else with me. Maybe we can get Bill Gates to run for us. I have a poster of Hitler on my wall and am thinking of getting a tattoo like charles manson. Does this mean I can sue the modmaker? He ruined my life by making this patch and his website!!!!!!!!!!