I like to play as Arabia. I love camel archers.
Honestly, Camel Archer should try hard to catch Keshik. Which isn't so possible. They're really good but Keshik gets promotions far too fast. +1 attack, +1 range etc.
Very strongly disagree here, camel archers are stronger and IMO better. Keshiks are better for pretty specific conditions, like a big map and slow pace. Camels are better right when they come out and manage to hold their own through the entire game, Keshiks don't get better until having been around for an amount of time that isn't practical in many situations.
You also have to take into account that a lot of the Keshik bonuses don't come from the unit itself, but rather from Mongolia. For example the +1 movement speed is not a Keshik bonus, it is part of the UA. The additional healing is part of the Khan UU, not of the Keshik.
That's khan's ability, nothing to do with keshiks. If you do the math correctly, you will know Camel archers are superior right out of the gate, and once they get logistics, except they earn xp slower. Also the healing in enemy land is pretty minor part as I usually don't even get any of them damaged since you can easily have blocker units soak city fire or any other units. Neither of them are weak to pikes anyway (these are ranged units not counted as mounted), so nothing to worry about.Btw, I'm not even mentioning how "Khan" makes them far superior to Camel Archers... Keshik can heal +25 in ENEMY LAND. But yeah, camel archers FTW!
If you believe Camel Archers are better than Keshiks sorry but you need to learn how to use them because you clearly don't know
That's khan's ability, nothing to do with keshiks. If you do the math correctly, you will know Camel archers are superior right out of the gate, and once they get logistics, except they earn xp slower. Also the healing in enemy land is pretty minor part as I usually don't even get any of them damaged since you can easily have blocker units soak city fire or any other units. Neither of them are weak to pikes anyway (these are ranged units not counted as mounted), so nothing to worry about.
When you play on deity and didn't start taking capitals with chariots, there is a chance keshiks will get obsolete before getting final capital and believe me they get destroyed when enemy has rifles or better units. Camels can push a little farther but not much.
When you play on deity and didn't start taking capitals with chariots
Oh God! Where should I start...
I'm wondering how you using Keshiks which makes them obsolete before you use them properly?
Mongolia is civ of war. You can do nothing but fight. Never make peace and Keshiks are getting 12 exp in a turn. Do you know what that means? In my current campaing I have just a few Keshiks and I send them to enemy lands, they attacked cities and pillaged tiles and enemy accepted peace in my terms and all these Keshiks have either Accuracy III or Barrage III one of them have Logistics already. And, that didn't take more than 15 turns.
If you believe Camel Archers are better than Keshiks sorry but you need to learn how to use them because you clearly don't know.
Btw, I'm not even mentioning how "Khan" makes them far superior to Camel Archers... Keshik can heal +25 in ENEMY LAND. But yeah, camel archers FTW!
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Not sure if I should laugh or be just sad because you keep talking like an expert with that mathematics but don't even know this... +1 movement is Keshik's bonus not Mongolia's. Because Keshik counting as Archer not cav.
Any veteran Civ 5 player pick Keshik over CA without think a sec. Wish you luck to find it out why.
By using them in some sort of competitive setting, either higher level SP or MP. In higher level SP, in my experience anyway, unless I do some sort of eschew-education all-in chivalry rush, the AI will usually have muskets by the time I'd get Knights. And even as Mongols, unless you start in medieval or something, it's totally impractical to hope to click chivalry at game start and be able to keep up in anything. Keshiks have a limited area of about adjacent empires only in terms of a conquest, and by the time they get to past one empire or so the enemy will always have units capable of beating them, usually muskets in SP due to AI failure to use crossbows well. Of course, camels can easily best muskets, and usually rifles if you keep them around long enough-- a much easier feat for camels than keshiks, considering the muuuuch better survivability camels provide. And as to crossbows, which will be what stops and decimates keshiks in multi, camels make easy mincemeat.Oh God! Where should I start...
I'm wondering how you using Keshiks which makes them obsolete before you use them properly?
"Never make peace" is a strategy that is viable only in a pretty narrow game setting-- one with lower level AI and a single landmass, on single player. On deity, or even really immortal, by the time you try to do some sort of knight rush you'll be trudging through carpets of muskets. And for keshiks, which die when slammed by a few pikemen, it's really not practical to survive consistently through this kind of warfare, especially long enough to become better than a camel archer. And on multiplayer, people slow you down and make you irrelevant with this kind of war. However, camel archers, with their much greater raw strength, will be able not only to thin these crowds very easily, but they'll be able to withstand the slams and shots that will focus fire them (MP) or overwhelm Keshiks (SP).Mongolia is civ of war. You can do nothing but fight. Never make peace and Keshiks are getting 12 exp in a turn. Do you know what that means? In my current campaing I have just a few Keshiks and I send them to enemy lands, they attacked cities and pillaged tiles and enemy accepted peace in my terms and all these Keshiks have either Accuracy III or Barrage III one of them have Logistics already. And, that didn't take more than 15 turns.
If you believe Keshiks are better than Camel Archers sorry but you need to learn how to use them because you clearly don't know.If you believe Camel Archers are better than Keshiks sorry but you need to learn how to use them because you clearly don't know.
And to heal you're not shooting, and not shooting gets you killed by units that ARE shooting.Btw, I'm not even mentioning how "Khan" makes them far superior to Camel Archers... Keshik can heal +25 in ENEMY LAND. But yeah, camel archers FTW!