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Final Fixes Reborn

Discussion in 'Rise from Erebus Modmod' started by Ronkhar, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. dvor

    dvor Chieftain

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    Loading a game is not exactly stable. Some things that help me:

    - reboot
    - delete cache (C:\Users\NAME\AppData\Local\My Games\Beyond the Sword\cache)
    - start game
    - look at some pedia entries
    - load save
    - good luck

    If you played a different (or no) mod you need to start a play now game to reset hidden variables.
     
  2. Calavente

    Calavente Richard's voice

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    I just turned a new leaf toward windows 10... and I have a few graphic issues : (somes skellies that appears as normal swordman...etc).

    any tip for that (do you encounters those issues ? / will I need to re-install cIV from scratch ?? or only FFH2?)

    I think Empy could boost trade... (increase trade routes / increased revenue from trade routes or something like that)

    re-FOL : I think that Bloom is too time and mirco-consuming to be really interesting, especially in larger maps, or when you conquer enemies ; further there is a bit of unreasonnable lag-time between new-forest and full forest. further, bloom, for non-elves, cannot be casted over improvements, so the production boost is lowered.
     
  3. black_imperator

    black_imperator Emperor

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    could it be the frozen animation thing or another graphic option messing up ? apart from that, i'm not sure. try deleting the xml and art part of the mod and updating.
     
  4. dvor

    dvor Chieftain

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    BUG report: play now game; svn 286

    Bhall is a Sheaim Leader?
     

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  5. black_imperator

    black_imperator Emperor

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    hmmm, though the real surprise here is : Bhall is Sid Meier. that's an important piece of lore i didn't know about.

    More seriously, i have no clue what's happened here. I assume the Random leader option was turned off ?
     
  6. dvor

    dvor Chieftain

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    The random leader option was turned on. Both the civilization and the leader were assigned by random. Select "play now" and accept everything. Did not change any settings. And I did not save the game. Only took the screenshot and quit. :mischief:
     
  7. 8BitArchitect

    8BitArchitect Chieftain

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    Are there any files other than mapscripts and Civ4WorldInfo.xml I'll need to edit to add support for more map sizes? I believe most of the compatible mapscripts already have support for up to two more sizes (or at least tried to), but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something that FFH or one of it's modmods added. (thanks for all the help over the past few days BTW. I appreciate it)
     
  8. Terkhen

    Terkhen King

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    Yesterday I noticed that most of the mapscripts included in Ashes of Erebus (except ErebusContinent and WorldOfErebus) come from a very old version of MapScriptTools, modified to make it work with Ashes of Erebus. In comparison, the version that I am working on (available here http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14401165#post14401165) contains a lot of fixes and improvements from both the original developer and me. These include two new mapscripts (including one that allows to launch one of the others, chosen randomly), restoring the chosen map options for each mapscript the next time they are loaded, new map options and other things.

    I have released a new version that is compatible with Ashes of Erebus and also includes all of these features. They also generate kelp and reefs. If you decide to try it, backup your Assets/python/MapScriptTools.py file. The new mapscripts are the ones without numbers in their names (so Erebus_mst is new while Erebus_107b_mst is old). If you want to go back to the previous mapscripts, restore your MapScriptTools file. Let me know if there is something that doesn't work :)
     
  9. Nor'easter

    Nor'easter Emperor

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    There was a ModComp a while back that allowed building lumbermills in ancient forests, but I'm sure it's not compatible with the current version of AoE. And anyway, I wasn't able to find i to on these forums, plus don't know if the team would want to incorporate it.
     
  10. TheIO

    TheIO Bugged

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    I know it's possible to have lumbermilled forests turn into ancient forests (still with lumbermills) but that does require the player to be distinctly quick off the mark.
     
  11. lemonjelly

    lemonjelly Modding For Ethne

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    I got the following errors on a recent game, reloading doesn't work either.
    The screenshot is from when I met the Calabim (the first civ I'd met), and the traceback is from when I reloaded the save. The diplo screen comes up but there's no options on there and no way to get rid of it.

    http://imgur.com/l9DrBXv

    Spoiler :
    Code:
    Traceback (most recent call last):
    
      File "<string>", line 1, in ?
    
      File "<string>", line 48, in load_module
    
    RuntimeError: unidentifiable C++ exception
    Failed to load python module CvWBInterface.
    ERR: Call function writeDesc failed. Can't find module CvWBInterface
    Traceback (most recent call last):
    
      File "<string>", line 1, in ?
    
      File "<string>", line 48, in load_module
    
    RuntimeError: unidentifiable C++ exception
    Failed to load python module CvSpellInterface.
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    Traceback (most recent call last):
    
      File "<string>", line 1, in ?
    
      File "<string>", line 48, in load_module
    
    RuntimeError: unidentifiable C++ exception
    Failed to load python module CvDiplomacyInterface.
    ERR: Call function beginDiplomacy failed. Can't find module CvDiplomacyInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    ERR: Call function canCast failed. Can't find module CvSpellInterface
    


    I've also tried playing with an assert DLL build and there's loads of errors about units, and some about an "ix shouldn't be lower than 0" or something similar, not sure whether they're causing any bigger issues though?
    Spoiler :
    Code:
    [72603.234] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73033.672] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73033.672] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73098.266] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73098.266] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73116.656] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73116.656] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73180.547] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73180.547] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73180.547] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73180.547] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73266.813] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73266.813] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73266.813] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73266.813] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BLADEDANCER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_FIREBOW and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SPELLSWORD and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUTE and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHOSEN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ETERNAL and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_HARUSPEX and UNIT_DRUID
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_HIGHLANDER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_RECURVE_ARCHER and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_WINDSWORD and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_MIMIC and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUJAH and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_MOROI and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE_LORD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_OGRE_WARCHIEF and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRIEST_OF_BHALL and UNIT_DRUID
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_STONESKIN_OGRE and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARD_BLOWPIPE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BATTLEMASTER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CIRCLE_OF_URD and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SKULD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SONS_OF_ASENA and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_VERDANDI and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_DOVIELLO_CROSSBOWMAN and UNIT_CROSSBOWMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ICE_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BALOR and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SECT_OF_FLIES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_AUDITOR and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DEFENDER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BOARDING_PARTY and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLURRY and UNIT_MARKSMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_GOLEM and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CLOCKWORK_GOLEM and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_GARGOYLE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_IRON_GOLEM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_NULLSTONE_GOLEM and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_WOOD_GOLEM and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ANUBIS and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION_MALAKIM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLAMETHROWER and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_GRENADIER and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_MUSKETMAN and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_VULTURE and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ABOMINATION and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_HORDE and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_HONORED_BAND and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRINCIPES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_REDACTOR and UNIT_DRUID
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CUSTODIAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_GLADIATOR and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ASCENDANT and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_JAVELIN_THROWER and UNIT_ARCHER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SWORDSMAN and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_HEAVY and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BANDIT_CHIEF and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_JARL and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73275.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_FROSTLING_AXEMAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BLADEDANCER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_FIREBOW and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SPELLSWORD and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUTE and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHOSEN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ETERNAL and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_HARUSPEX and UNIT_DRUID
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_HIGHLANDER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_RECURVE_ARCHER and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_WINDSWORD and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_MIMIC and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUJAH and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_MOROI and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE_LORD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_OGRE_WARCHIEF and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRIEST_OF_BHALL and UNIT_DRUID
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_STONESKIN_OGRE and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARD_BLOWPIPE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BATTLEMASTER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CIRCLE_OF_URD and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SKULD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SONS_OF_ASENA and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_VERDANDI and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_DOVIELLO_CROSSBOWMAN and UNIT_CROSSBOWMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ICE_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BALOR and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SECT_OF_FLIES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_AUDITOR and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DEFENDER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BOARDING_PARTY and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLURRY and UNIT_MARKSMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_GOLEM and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CLOCKWORK_GOLEM and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_GARGOYLE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_IRON_GOLEM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_NULLSTONE_GOLEM and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_WOOD_GOLEM and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ANUBIS and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION_MALAKIM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLAMETHROWER and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_GRENADIER and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_MUSKETMAN and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_VULTURE and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ABOMINATION and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_HORDE and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_HONORED_BAND and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRINCIPES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_REDACTOR and UNIT_DRUID
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CUSTODIAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_GLADIATOR and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_ASCENDANT and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_JAVELIN_THROWER and UNIT_ARCHER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_SWORDSMAN and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_HEAVY and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_BANDIT_CHIEF and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_JARL and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73286.406] mismatching unit types UNIT_FROSTLING_AXEMAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_BLADEDANCER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_FIREBOW and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_SPELLSWORD and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUTE and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHOSEN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_ETERNAL and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_HARUSPEX and UNIT_DRUID
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_HIGHLANDER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_RECURVE_ARCHER and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_WINDSWORD and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_MIMIC and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUJAH and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_MOROI and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE_LORD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_OGRE_WARCHIEF and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRIEST_OF_BHALL and UNIT_DRUID
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_STONESKIN_OGRE and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARD_BLOWPIPE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_BATTLEMASTER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_CIRCLE_OF_URD and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_SKULD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_SONS_OF_ASENA and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_VERDANDI and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_DOVIELLO_CROSSBOWMAN and UNIT_CROSSBOWMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_ICE_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_BALOR and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_SECT_OF_FLIES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_AUDITOR and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DEFENDER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_BOARDING_PARTY and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLURRY and UNIT_MARKSMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_GOLEM and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_CLOCKWORK_GOLEM and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_GARGOYLE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_IRON_GOLEM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_NULLSTONE_GOLEM and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_WOOD_GOLEM and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_ANUBIS and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION_MALAKIM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLAMETHROWER and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_GRENADIER and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_MUSKETMAN and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_VULTURE and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_ABOMINATION and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_HORDE and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_HONORED_BAND and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRINCIPES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_REDACTOR and UNIT_DRUID
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_CUSTODIAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_GLADIATOR and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_ASCENDANT and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_JAVELIN_THROWER and UNIT_ARCHER
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_SWORDSMAN and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.594] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.609] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_HEAVY and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.609] mismatching unit types UNIT_BANDIT_CHIEF and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73299.609] mismatching unit types UNIT_JARL and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73299.609] mismatching unit types UNIT_FROSTLING_AXEMAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BLADEDANCER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_FIREBOW and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_SPELLSWORD and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUTE and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHOSEN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_ETERNAL and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_HARUSPEX and UNIT_DRUID
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_HIGHLANDER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_RECURVE_ARCHER and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_WINDSWORD and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_MIMIC and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUJAH and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_MOROI and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE_LORD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_OGRE_WARCHIEF and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRIEST_OF_BHALL and UNIT_DRUID
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_STONESKIN_OGRE and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARD_BLOWPIPE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BATTLEMASTER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_CIRCLE_OF_URD and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_SKULD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_SONS_OF_ASENA and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_VERDANDI and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_DOVIELLO_CROSSBOWMAN and UNIT_CROSSBOWMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_ICE_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BALOR and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_SECT_OF_FLIES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_AUDITOR and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DEFENDER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BOARDING_PARTY and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLURRY and UNIT_MARKSMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_GOLEM and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_CLOCKWORK_GOLEM and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_GARGOYLE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_IRON_GOLEM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_NULLSTONE_GOLEM and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_WOOD_GOLEM and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_ANUBIS and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION_MALAKIM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLAMETHROWER and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_GRENADIER and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_MUSKETMAN and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_VULTURE and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_ABOMINATION and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_HORDE and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_HONORED_BAND and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRINCIPES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_REDACTOR and UNIT_DRUID
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_CUSTODIAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_GLADIATOR and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_ASCENDANT and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_JAVELIN_THROWER and UNIT_ARCHER
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_SWORDSMAN and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.859] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_HEAVY and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.859] mismatching unit types UNIT_BANDIT_CHIEF and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73325.859] mismatching unit types UNIT_JARL and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73325.859] mismatching unit types UNIT_FROSTLING_AXEMAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73326.031] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73326.031] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73326.031] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73326.031] mismatching unit types UNIT_JOT_TROLL and UNIT_GOBLIN
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_BLADEDANCER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_FIREBOW and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_SPELLSWORD and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUTE and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHOSEN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_ETERNAL and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_HARUSPEX and UNIT_DRUID
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_HIGHLANDER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_RECURVE_ARCHER and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_WINDSWORD and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_MIMIC and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUJAH and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_MOROI and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE_LORD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_OGRE_WARCHIEF and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRIEST_OF_BHALL and UNIT_DRUID
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_STONESKIN_OGRE and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARD_BLOWPIPE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_BATTLEMASTER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_CIRCLE_OF_URD and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73359.047] mismatching unit types UNIT_SKULD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_SONS_OF_ASENA and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_VERDANDI and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_DOVIELLO_CROSSBOWMAN and UNIT_CROSSBOWMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_ICE_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_BALOR and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_SECT_OF_FLIES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_AUDITOR and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DEFENDER and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_DWARVEN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_BOARDING_PARTY and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLURRY and UNIT_MARKSMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_GOLEM and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_CLOCKWORK_GOLEM and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_GARGOYLE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_IRON_GOLEM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_NULLSTONE_GOLEM and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_WOOD_GOLEM and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_ANUBIS and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION_MALAKIM and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_FLAMETHROWER and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_GRENADIER and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_MUSKETMAN and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_VULTURE and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_ABOMINATION and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_BONE_HORDE and UNIT_ARQUEBUS
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_HONORED_BAND and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRINCIPES and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_REDACTOR and UNIT_DRUID
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_CUSTODIAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_GLADIATOR and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_ASCENDANT and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_JAVELIN_THROWER and UNIT_ARCHER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_SWORDSMAN and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHAMPION and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_HEAVY and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_BANDIT_CHIEF and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_JARL and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73359.063] mismatching unit types UNIT_FROSTLING_AXEMAN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BLADEDANCER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_FIREBOW and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_SPELLSWORD and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUTE and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_CHOSEN and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_ETERNAL and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_HARUSPEX and UNIT_DRUID
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_HIGHLANDER and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_RECURVE_ARCHER and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_WINDSWORD and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_MIMIC and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_BRUJAH and UNIT_BERSERKER
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_MOROI and UNIT_AXEMAN
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE and UNIT_DRAGON_SLAYER
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_VAMPIRE_LORD and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARDMAN_DRUID and UNIT_DRUID
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_OGRE_WARCHIEF and UNIT_IMMORTAL
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_PRIEST_OF_BHALL and UNIT_DRUID
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_STONESKIN_OGRE and UNIT_PHALANX
    [73370.844] mismatching unit types UNIT_LIZARD_BLOWPIPE and UNIT_LONGBOWMAN
    [...] loads more but they won't fit in this post
    
     
  12. dvor

    dvor Chieftain

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    Read the bug list. Some comments:

    212
    "2) block animal hero capture (âmes jumelles, recon cap) DONE"
    svn 286 allows the capture of animal heroes. Subdue beast work on them like any other beast unit.

    301
    Not only ironclads but all naval units can capture animals. Useful captures include sea serpents (chained water drakes) and griffons/rocs. No bug there.

    597
    Confirmation: Aircraft can indeed capture forts. They can also explore lairs. And go through a portal. Which separates them from the carrier. Suggestion: Do not allow aircraft to perform any such action.

    658
    Bannor Carrison Captain has access to useless(?) promotions Woodsman I and II.
    Those promotions are not useless. Bannor might capture a fort/castle/citadel from elves with forest in the tile. The promotion prevents obscured line of sight.

    661
    The immortal promotion is lost when the unit is reborn. It works once. It has been that way since FfH2. No reason to change anything. Suggestion: Close the bug.
     
  13. black_imperator

    black_imperator Emperor

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    i don't really know, to be honest. Try modifying those and see if that works.

    Thanks for that, we'll test ad bit and then merge it.

    Thanks for that log, i haven't been able to replicate the diplomacy thing but i might be able to debug it thanks to that. As for the errors appearing with the debug dll build, they're mostly benign (some of the code thinking that some of the new code is actually a bug). I'll clean them up when i have some time Also, Welcome back, jemon, how have you been ?

    if i remember correctly, before that they were able be captured by Subdue Animal, which was an issue. I don't have an issue with them being Beast-Subdued

    Agreed

    Hmm need to fix that
    Agreed.I do feel that we could give them a few other promotions though.
    I think the report is more about the different forms of immortality being described ingame in exactly the same way, making it unclear which immortality is removed after one death ( the promo one) and which one isn't (the unit one)
     
  14. Formorian

    Formorian Chieftain

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    Thank you for your proposal. Funny thing is, that I tried for several times, but the error seems to happen before a log is created. - Again with 14.11 I get a log for every ooc, but not with the svn.
     
  15. dvor

    dvor Chieftain

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    BUG report (svn 286)

    Subdue Beast on a mana guardian Elk. The unit keeps the mana guardian promotion. It can teleport to the capital. But the ability to move around is limited. It is not limited to one tile but in highly erratic ways.

    Either remove the mana guardian promotion when the beast is captured or make sure it cannot move away from the mana resource in any way even after capture.
     
  16. Nor'easter

    Nor'easter Emperor

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    I haven't tried the SVN, so apologies if you've already done something with this.

    I would suggest maybe re-thinking the Silver Circle. Two possibilities come to mind:

    1) Make it a Guild, with the Alchemists being able to spread it automatically. Once it expands into a new city, allow that city to build an Enchanter's Enclave.

    2) Make it a National Wonder instead of a World Wonder. Once you build it, then your cities can build Enchanter's Enclaves.

    (I think I prefer making it a Guild rather than a National Wonder.)

    The reason I suggest this is that, unless you're playing as the Mechanos, the Alchemy tech is pretty useless, devoted solely to the possibility of building a World Wonder.

    I don't have strong feelings about this, just thought doing something might make sense.
     
  17. dvor

    dvor Chieftain

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    Two guilds cannot compete for one resource in a city. So changing the Silver Circle to a guild affects existing guilds.

    Having to build all Alchemists (and, by extension, all Enchanter's Enclaves) in a single city makes you think twice about where to build the Silver Circle.
     
  18. Nor'easter

    Nor'easter Emperor

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    Forgot about competing for resources, good point.

    I certainly agree that you have to think about where to build the Silver Circle for maximum benefit. I just find it tedious to have to manually select the cities to which you're sending Alchemists to build Enchanter's Enclaves, unlike having units spread Guilds automatically.

    Maybe make it a National Wonder instead? So Alchemy's a useful tech? And as I suggested above, once you've built it, then it enables the ability to build Enchanter's Enclaves in your other cities?

    Or keep it a World Wonder but get rid of the Alchemy tech and move the Silver Circle and the various Mechanos units to other techs?
     
  19. black_imperator

    black_imperator Emperor

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    i'll add some earlier log response to see where it happens.


    noted

    i'm quite unhappy with both the Guilds and the Silver Circle as they stand so it's something i'd like to revisit. (They don't really offer any interesting reward or mechanic and they don't feel really linked to anything lorewise).

    I haven't thought much how to rework it yet but i'm tempted to remove the guilds as they are, and use that system for secondary cults ( the Emrys, The Stewards of Inequity, The Unblemished, The Saperes, The Foxmen, The Occis (not a definitive list, just the ones i have in mind right now). I'd repurpose the master buildings inside a stronger economic building tree with maybe a bit more specialization and potentially repurpose the effects of guilds that way.

    Anyway, that's not a short-term goal so we'll see when we get to it^^
     
  20. cthom

    cthom 3,011,451,295

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    on the subject of guilds, i see that the balseraphs can build masquerade wagons. since all bal cities automatically have masquerade these must be meant to spread it to other civs. what benefit does it give to the balseraphs?
     

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